FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Obviously, the level of wealth in the Langley pyramid is off the charts compared to every other pyramid, and some apparently are terrified by the prospect FCPS might reduce the gap even a little (although it's not clear anyone from FCPS has even said that's a goal).


I live in a pyramid that is middle of the road on your list. Please explain what it is going to help by taking kids out of Langley? Who is it going to help?

I can tell you--as from a neighborhood zoned to way down the chart from Langley--that most people want to stay in their current school. I learned this a long time ago at a ms boundary meeting--no matter what school a family is in, they want to stay there--even if the school is not highly rated. It doesn't matter if you are rich or poor.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Why is it so hard to understand that if you are being bussed 12 miles to a school when another very viable school is 3 miles away that should be addressed.


“Very viable” is doing some pretty heavy lifting in that statement. 🤣🤣🤣
. Dear Lord, one would think Langley is full of perfectly behaved genius kids who would just suffer tremendously if they had to share a space with those poor, brown, unruly Herndon kids.


I know a lot of Langley families, and I’ve never ever heard them speak the way that you do about Herndon families. Don’t be racist, ladies.


This. Just because someone does not want to leave a school they like, does not make them racist.

Why are you so anxious to have them move? Are you not happy with your school? Do you think there are problems there that would be solved by adding Langley kids to the mix?


You can oppose or feel sad about a potential boundary change without insulting the viability of another school. Or maybe you can't.


You can argue for boundary changes without calling the Herndon kids racial slurs. Jesus, it’s not that hard. I’ve never seen a Langley poster say that once, but I’ve read dozens of posts where the boundary change advocates call those Herndon kids all sorts of names.


It was a boundary change opponent who just implied earlier tonight Herndon isn’t a viable school. Nice try to flip the script, though.


Is this verbatim quote you or your comrade?

“Dear Lord, one would think Langley is full of perfectly behaved genius kids who would just suffer tremendously if they had to share a space with those poor, brown, unruly Herndon kids.”
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Obviously, the level of wealth in the Langley pyramid is off the charts compared to every other pyramid, and some apparently are terrified by the prospect FCPS might reduce the gap even a little (although it's not clear anyone from FCPS has even said that's a goal).


I live in a pyramid that is middle of the road on your list. Please explain what it is going to help by taking kids out of Langley? Who is it going to help?

I can tell you--as from a neighborhood zoned to way down the chart from Langley--that most people want to stay in their current school. I learned this a long time ago at a ms boundary meeting--no matter what school a family is in, they want to stay there--even if the school is not highly rated. It doesn't matter if you are rich or poor.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Why is it so hard to understand that if you are being bussed 12 miles to a school when another very viable school is 3 miles away that should be addressed.


“Very viable” is doing some pretty heavy lifting in that statement. 🤣🤣🤣
. Dear Lord, one would think Langley is full of perfectly behaved genius kids who would just suffer tremendously if they had to share a space with those poor, brown, unruly Herndon kids.


I know a lot of Langley families, and I’ve never ever heard them speak the way that you do about Herndon families. Don’t be racist, ladies.


This. Just because someone does not want to leave a school they like, does not make them racist.

Why are you so anxious to have them move? Are you not happy with your school? Do you think there are problems there that would be solved by adding Langley kids to the mix?


You can oppose or feel sad about a potential boundary change without insulting the viability of another school. Or maybe you can't.


You can argue for boundary changes without calling the Herndon kids racial slurs. Jesus, it’s not that hard. I’ve never seen a Langley poster say that once, but I’ve read dozens of posts where the boundary change advocates call those Herndon kids all sorts of names.


It was a boundary change opponent who just implied earlier tonight Herndon isn’t a viable school. Nice try to flip the script, though.


Is this verbatim quote you or your comrade?

“Dear Lord, one would think Langley is full of perfectly behaved genius kids who would just suffer tremendously if they had to share a space with those poor, brown, unruly Herndon kids.”


Not my post but that poster is capturing how Langley posters appear to view Herndon kids.
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Obviously, the level of wealth in the Langley pyramid is off the charts compared to every other pyramid, and some apparently are terrified by the prospect FCPS might reduce the gap even a little (although it's not clear anyone from FCPS has even said that's a goal).


I live in a pyramid that is middle of the road on your list. Please explain what it is going to help by taking kids out of Langley? Who is it going to help?

I can tell you--as from a neighborhood zoned to way down the chart from Langley--that most people want to stay in their current school. I learned this a long time ago at a ms boundary meeting--no matter what school a family is in, they want to stay there--even if the school is not highly rated. It doesn't matter if you are rich or poor.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Why is it so hard to understand that if you are being bussed 12 miles to a school when another very viable school is 3 miles away that should be addressed.


“Very viable” is doing some pretty heavy lifting in that statement. 🤣🤣🤣
. Dear Lord, one would think Langley is full of perfectly behaved genius kids who would just suffer tremendously if they had to share a space with those poor, brown, unruly Herndon kids.


I know a lot of Langley families, and I’ve never ever heard them speak the way that you do about Herndon families. Don’t be racist, ladies.


This. Just because someone does not want to leave a school they like, does not make them racist.

Why are you so anxious to have them move? Are you not happy with your school? Do you think there are problems there that would be solved by adding Langley kids to the mix?


You can oppose or feel sad about a potential boundary change without insulting the viability of another school. Or maybe you can't.


You can argue for boundary changes without calling the Herndon kids racial slurs. Jesus, it’s not that hard. I’ve never seen a Langley poster say that once, but I’ve read dozens of posts where the boundary change advocates call those Herndon kids all sorts of names.


It was a boundary change opponent who just implied earlier tonight Herndon isn’t a viable school. Nice try to flip the script, though.


Is this verbatim quote you or your comrade?

“Dear Lord, one would think Langley is full of perfectly behaved genius kids who would just suffer tremendously if they had to share a space with those poor, brown, unruly Herndon kids.”


Not my post but that poster is capturing how Langley posters appear to view Herndon kids.


Disagree. I think it is how Herndon posters view Langley parents. They are offended because Langley parents want their kids to stay at Langley. Funny how that works. They like where they are, so they must be racist.
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Obviously, the level of wealth in the Langley pyramid is off the charts compared to every other pyramid, and some apparently are terrified by the prospect FCPS might reduce the gap even a little (although it's not clear anyone from FCPS has even said that's a goal).


I live in a pyramid that is middle of the road on your list. Please explain what it is going to help by taking kids out of Langley? Who is it going to help?

I can tell you--as from a neighborhood zoned to way down the chart from Langley--that most people want to stay in their current school. I learned this a long time ago at a ms boundary meeting--no matter what school a family is in, they want to stay there--even if the school is not highly rated. It doesn't matter if you are rich or poor.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Why is it so hard to understand that if you are being bussed 12 miles to a school when another very viable school is 3 miles away that should be addressed.


“Very viable” is doing some pretty heavy lifting in that statement. 🤣🤣🤣
. Dear Lord, one would think Langley is full of perfectly behaved genius kids who would just suffer tremendously if they had to share a space with those poor, brown, unruly Herndon kids.


I know a lot of Langley families, and I’ve never ever heard them speak the way that you do about Herndon families. Don’t be racist, ladies.


This. Just because someone does not want to leave a school they like, does not make them racist.

Why are you so anxious to have them move? Are you not happy with your school? Do you think there are problems there that would be solved by adding Langley kids to the mix?


You can oppose or feel sad about a potential boundary change without insulting the viability of another school. Or maybe you can't.


You can argue for boundary changes without calling the Herndon kids racial slurs. Jesus, it’s not that hard. I’ve never seen a Langley poster say that once, but I’ve read dozens of posts where the boundary change advocates call those Herndon kids all sorts of names.


It was a boundary change opponent who just implied earlier tonight Herndon isn’t a viable school. Nice try to flip the script, though.


Is this verbatim quote you or your comrade?

“Dear Lord, one would think Langley is full of perfectly behaved genius kids who would just suffer tremendously if they had to share a space with those poor, brown, unruly Herndon kids.”


Not my post but that poster is capturing how Langley posters appear to view Herndon kids.


Disagree. I think it is how Herndon posters view Langley parents. They are offended because Langley parents want their kids to stay at Langley. Funny how that works. They like where they are, so they must be racist.


I listened to the sessions that FairFACTS Matters and then the Great Falls Citizens Association had with Robyn Lady earlier this year. The references to Herndon from Langley-zoned parents were quite disparaging.
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The “study” is being studied. No decisions have been made yet. Are you worried?


$500K --and likely more
a huge committee with many hand chosen m

Why? Overcrowding could be solved in a traditional manner
Funds? Cut out IB for starters and other special programs that are not successful

The numbers might just resolve themselves.


Because it’s not about solving overcrowding, it’s about equalizing farms across the schools no matter the cost to student mental health.

The school board only pretends to care about those kids.


Are we also considering the mental health of the FARMS kids?


Yeah, that's not going to happen. You'd have to have a school lottery system before it was even remotely a possibility.

FYI, ran some numbers and here are the percentage of housing units (all types) in each HS pyramid valued for $1M or more by Fairfax County in 2023:

Langley 89.1%
Madison 49.9%
McLean 41.5%
Oakton 24.7%
South County 17.9%
Woodson 16.7%
Marshall 16.5%
Robinson 15.9%
West Potomac 11.6%
Lake Braddock 11.5%
Chantilly 9.9%
Justice 8.2%
South Lakes 6.1%
Fairfax 6.0%
Herndon 5.6%
Falls Church 5.4%
Mount Vernon 4.4%
West Springfield 4.2%
Edison 4.0%
Centreville 3.7%
Annandale 3.4%
Westfield 3.0%
Lewis 2.9%
Hayfield 2.1%

Source: https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demographics/interactive-map-high-school

Obviously, the level of wealth in the Langley pyramid is off the charts compared to every other pyramid, and some apparently are terrified by the prospect FCPS might reduce the gap even a little (although it's not clear anyone from FCPS has even said that's a goal).


Reducing the gap only works when you F over those families by reducing those houses under a million. You’re talking about destroying the tax base to destroy your neighbors home value for equity.

Not hard to see why I became a republican this year.

I am from the opposite side of the county.

Isn't Langley located way out in the boonies, far away from any significant home developments?

Why are they even in a rezoning discussion?

Just like the high achieving kids aren't pawns to prop up the failing schools, the lower income kids should not be bussed across town to stick it to the rich people.

As a former poor kid, I say that it is even more important for the poor kids to have smaller, high quality schools as close to home as possible.

Focus on getting as many neighborhood schools as possible, with as tight of boundaries as possible.

That, plus consistency, is better than any bussing FCPS can create.
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The “study” is being studied. No decisions have been made yet. Are you worried?


$500K --and likely more
a huge committee with many hand chosen m

Why? Overcrowding could be solved in a traditional manner
Funds? Cut out IB for starters and other special programs that are not successful

The numbers might just resolve themselves.


Because it’s not about solving overcrowding, it’s about equalizing farms across the schools no matter the cost to student mental health.

The school board only pretends to care about those kids.


Are we also considering the mental health of the FARMS kids?


Yeah, that's not going to happen. You'd have to have a school lottery system before it was even remotely a possibility.

FYI, ran some numbers and here are the percentage of housing units (all types) in each HS pyramid valued for $1M or more by Fairfax County in 2023:

Langley 89.1%
Madison 49.9%
McLean 41.5%
Oakton 24.7%
South County 17.9%
Woodson 16.7%
Marshall 16.5%
Robinson 15.9%
West Potomac 11.6%
Lake Braddock 11.5%
Chantilly 9.9%
Justice 8.2%
South Lakes 6.1%
Fairfax 6.0%
Herndon 5.6%
Falls Church 5.4%
Mount Vernon 4.4%
West Springfield 4.2%
Edison 4.0%
Centreville 3.7%
Annandale 3.4%
Westfield 3.0%
Lewis 2.9%
Hayfield 2.1%

Source: https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demographics/interactive-map-high-school

Obviously, the level of wealth in the Langley pyramid is off the charts compared to every other pyramid, and some apparently are terrified by the prospect FCPS might reduce the gap even a little (although it's not clear anyone from FCPS has even said that's a goal).


Reducing the gap only works when you F over those families by reducing those houses under a million. You’re talking about destroying the tax base to destroy your neighbors home value for equity.

Not hard to see why I became a republican this year.


I am from the opposite side of the county.

Isn't Langley located way out in the boonies, far away from any significant home developments?

Why are they even in a rezoning discussion?

Just like the high achieving kids aren't pawns to prop up the failing schools, the lower income kids should not be bussed across town to stick it to the rich people.

As a former poor kid, I say that it is even more important for the poor kids to have smaller, high quality schools as close to home as possible.

Focus on getting as many neighborhood schools as possible, with as tight of boundaries as possible.

That, plus consistency, is better than any bussing FCPS can create.
So smart only a republican could contradict themselves this much. That's all anyone is saying focus on getting as tight of boundaries as possible. And that is why some currently zoned Langley kids will be re-zoned.
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Anonymous wrote:A PUBLIC school system should have equal access to programming, academics, clubs, languages, etc.
Because....it's public. And they can make decisions to steer all schools in the same direction.
If you want something different, go private.


Sometimes the students have different interests than what the adults have in mind.

A school might have tons of kids who want soccer, and only 3 that want tennis.

Or they have kids signing up for a softball team, but not enough interest to field a varsity baseball team because the baseball players decided to focus on travel teams (which happened to Lewis in the past).

FCPS cannot rezone kids to try to creat sports teams just like they can't force the Lewis baseball players to do the school team instead of their travel teams.

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Anonymous wrote:A PUBLIC school system should have equal access to programming, academics, clubs, languages, etc.
Because....it's public. And they can make decisions to steer all schools in the same direction.
If you want something different, go private.


WSHS has a military ambassadors club that has well over a hundred kids.

Should Langley or Herndon also be required to have a military ambassadors club even though they have very tiny military populations? Or should the WSHS military embassadors club be required to fold because other schools don't have the population or interest to field a military ambassadors club? By your logic, the public high schools need to have identical club offerings.
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Anonymous wrote:A PUBLIC school system should have equal access to programming, academics, clubs, languages, etc.
Because....it's public. And they can make decisions to steer all schools in the same direction.
If you want something different, go private.


WSHS has a military ambassadors club that has well over a hundred kids.

Should Langley or Herndon also be required to have a military ambassadors club even though they have very tiny military populations? Or should the WSHS military embassadors club be required to fold because other schools don't have the population or interest to field a military ambassadors club? By your logic, the public high schools need to have identical club offerings.


Shouldn’t FCPS strive to offer as many programs/courses to all schools? The Ambassador’s program must be unique to that area due to the military presence.

I get that all schools probably cannot have a crew team, as not all schools are close to a body of water, but advanced AP classes should be available to all.
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The “study” is being studied. No decisions have been made yet. Are you worried?


$500K --and likely more
a huge committee with many hand chosen m

Why? Overcrowding could be solved in a traditional manner
Funds? Cut out IB for starters and other special programs that are not successful

The numbers might just resolve themselves.


Because it’s not about solving overcrowding, it’s about equalizing farms across the schools no matter the cost to student mental health.

The school board only pretends to care about those kids.


Are we also considering the mental health of the FARMS kids?


Yeah, that's not going to happen. You'd have to have a school lottery system before it was even remotely a possibility.

FYI, ran some numbers and here are the percentage of housing units (all types) in each HS pyramid valued for $1M or more by Fairfax County in 2023:

Langley 89.1%
Madison 49.9%
McLean 41.5%
Oakton 24.7%
South County 17.9%
Woodson 16.7%
Marshall 16.5%
Robinson 15.9%
West Potomac 11.6%
Lake Braddock 11.5%
Chantilly 9.9%
Justice 8.2%
South Lakes 6.1%
Fairfax 6.0%
Herndon 5.6%
Falls Church 5.4%
Mount Vernon 4.4%
West Springfield 4.2%
Edison 4.0%
Centreville 3.7%
Annandale 3.4%
Westfield 3.0%
Lewis 2.9%
Hayfield 2.1%

Source: https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demographics/interactive-map-high-school

Obviously, the level of wealth in the Langley pyramid is off the charts compared to every other pyramid, and some apparently are terrified by the prospect FCPS might reduce the gap even a little (although it's not clear anyone from FCPS has even said that's a goal).


Reducing the gap only works when you F over those families by reducing those houses under a million. You’re talking about destroying the tax base to destroy your neighbors home value for equity.

Not hard to see why I became a republican this year.


I am from the opposite side of the county.

Isn't Langley located way out in the boonies, far away from any significant home developments?

Why are they even in a rezoning discussion?

Just like the high achieving kids aren't pawns to prop up the failing schools, the lower income kids should not be bussed across town to stick it to the rich people.

As a former poor kid, I say that it is even more important for the poor kids to have smaller, high quality schools as close to home as possible.

Focus on getting as many neighborhood schools as possible, with as tight of boundaries as possible.

That, plus consistency, is better than any bussing FCPS can create.

Langley is not in the boonies and its boundaries are sprawling and the antithesis of “tight.”
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Anonymous wrote:A PUBLIC school system should have equal access to programming, academics, clubs, languages, etc.
Because....it's public. And they can make decisions to steer all schools in the same direction.
If you want something different, go private.


WSHS has a military ambassadors club that has well over a hundred kids.

Should Langley or Herndon also be required to have a military ambassadors club even though they have very tiny military populations? Or should the WSHS military embassadors club be required to fold because other schools don't have the population or interest to field a military ambassadors club? By your logic, the public high schools need to have identical club offerings.


Kind of blows my mind that people try to debate that the schools should generally have the same.programming and access to things. So no, if there is a NICHE community or interest ...then sure. I'm not an all or nothing person, not do i think it ever makes sense in life to be 100% like that. But it should be baselined as much as possible for a PUBLIC school system.
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Anonymous wrote:A PUBLIC school system should have equal access to programming, academics, clubs, languages, etc.
Because....it's public. And they can make decisions to steer all schools in the same direction.
If you want something different, go private.


WSHS has a military ambassadors club that has well over a hundred kids.

Should Langley or Herndon also be required to have a military ambassadors club even though they have very tiny military populations? Or should the WSHS military embassadors club be required to fold because other schools don't have the population or interest to field a military ambassadors club? By your logic, the public high schools need to have identical club offerings.


Kind of blows my mind that people try to debate that the schools should generally have the same.programming and access to things. So no, if there is a NICHE community or interest ...then sure. I'm not an all or nothing person, not do i think it ever makes sense in life to be 100% like that. But it should be baselined as much as possible for a PUBLIC school system.


That makes sense but just moving kids around doesn’t create that baseline.
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Langley is not in the boonies and its boundaries are sprawling and the antithesis of “tight.”


And, it is, for all practical purposes, on the Arlington border with McLean High less than three miles to the south and very little development between it and the Potomac River.
So, FCPS long ago decided to fill it with Great Falls. It makes for a long boundary. but otherwise, there's not much choice. Since this boundary has been pretty firm for around thirty years, it is understandable why people don't want to change. Especially since there does not seem to be a need.
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Anonymous wrote:A PUBLIC school system should have equal access to programming, academics, clubs, languages, etc.
Because....it's public. And they can make decisions to steer all schools in the same direction.
If you want something different, go private.


WSHS has a military ambassadors club that has well over a hundred kids.

Should Langley or Herndon also be required to have a military ambassadors club even though they have very tiny military populations? Or should the WSHS military embassadors club be required to fold because other schools don't have the population or interest to field a military ambassadors club? By your logic, the public high schools need to have identical club offerings.


Kind of blows my mind that people try to debate that the schools should generally have the same.programming and access to things. So no, if there is a NICHE community or interest ...then sure. I'm not an all or nothing person, not do i think it ever makes sense in life to be 100% like that. But it should be baselined as much as possible for a PUBLIC school system.


And we know you are super serious, because you keep capitalizing PUBLIC. If it’s all supposed to be so equitable, why do certain Fairfax schools get extra funding? I used to be fine with that. Not anymore. SJWs have pushed for way too much of the pie.
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The “study” is being studied. No decisions have been made yet. Are you worried?


$500K --and likely more
a huge committee with many hand chosen m

Why? Overcrowding could be solved in a traditional manner
Funds? Cut out IB for starters and other special programs that are not successful

The numbers might just resolve themselves.


Because it’s not about solving overcrowding, it’s about equalizing farms across the schools no matter the cost to student mental health.

The school board only pretends to care about those kids.


Are we also considering the mental health of the FARMS kids?


Yeah, that's not going to happen. You'd have to have a school lottery system before it was even remotely a possibility.

FYI, ran some numbers and here are the percentage of housing units (all types) in each HS pyramid valued for $1M or more by Fairfax County in 2023:

Langley 89.1%
Madison 49.9%
McLean 41.5%
Oakton 24.7%
South County 17.9%
Woodson 16.7%
Marshall 16.5%
Robinson 15.9%
West Potomac 11.6%
Lake Braddock 11.5%
Chantilly 9.9%
Justice 8.2%
South Lakes 6.1%
Fairfax 6.0%
Herndon 5.6%
Falls Church 5.4%
Mount Vernon 4.4%
West Springfield 4.2%
Edison 4.0%
Centreville 3.7%
Annandale 3.4%
Westfield 3.0%
Lewis 2.9%
Hayfield 2.1%

Source: https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demographics/interactive-map-high-school

Obviously, the level of wealth in the Langley pyramid is off the charts compared to every other pyramid, and some apparently are terrified by the prospect FCPS might reduce the gap even a little (although it's not clear anyone from FCPS has even said that's a goal).


Reducing the gap only works when you F over those families by reducing those houses under a million. You’re talking about destroying the tax base to destroy your neighbors home value for equity.

Not hard to see why I became a republican this year.


I am from the opposite side of the county.

Isn't Langley located way out in the boonies, far away from any significant home developments?

Why are they even in a rezoning discussion?

Just like the high achieving kids aren't pawns to prop up the failing schools, the lower income kids should not be bussed across town to stick it to the rich people.

As a former poor kid, I say that it is even more important for the poor kids to have smaller, high quality schools as close to home as possible.

Focus on getting as many neighborhood schools as possible, with as tight of boundaries as possible.

That, plus consistency, is better than any bussing FCPS can create.

Many Langley parents have paid way more money for small older houses just to be in the Langley School Pyramid. If those million dollar houses were not zoned to Langley, they would be worth considerably less. Most parents with school aged children look at the schools that their children will go to before they make a house purchase.
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