It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

We didn't chose to stay. Slavery ended and black people had NOTHING. Remember, it was illegal for us to even learn to read and write. Where were we going?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

Yes, my ancestors (Quakers & Union soldiers) have tried to lift up others for centuries. And I’m not going anywhere.

It’s time to lift up black people in a meaningful way - eliminate the wealth gap.

You get no credit for that and PP's judgment is based solely on his/her perception of your race.

- another person who's family fought for the Union

Yup.

Let's stop racist thinking.

People are NOT their skin color.

Skin color DOES matter in our society. Two Harvard-educated lawyers head home at 9pm from the gym - one black and one white. Which one gets stopped by cops on the street for “fitting the description”?

Systemic racism exists today. The harm from slavery & Jim Crow continues today.

If whites were 12% of our country yet responsible for 50% of all violent crime, you bet it would be the white lawyer who would get stopped.

Why are black people disproportionately arrested and convicted of more crimes? Systemic racism.

You just made the case for reparations.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

Yes, my ancestors (Quakers & Union soldiers) have tried to lift up others for centuries. And I’m not going anywhere.

It’s time to lift up black people in a meaningful way - eliminate the wealth gap.

You get no credit for that and PP's judgment is based solely on his/her perception of your race.

- another person who's family fought for the Union

That's correct. But that's how reparations work. Nobody cares that her ancestors helped slaves. They only care that she white, therefore she must pay black people. Even if she is a poor white person with some black ancestors, she must pay wealthy black people with some white ancestry.

Lifting people up in a meaningful way? I am all for that. But that's an entirely different and much better way to conceptualize this.

-Someone whose ancestors suffered other injustices, fought in different armies, and helped different people

You sound so incredibly ignorant. It's about economics. If black people could not learn to read, buy property, own businesses or get ahead in any way. What do you expect us to do. Redlining was the law until the 1970s. Black people were getting lynched up until the 1960s for voting or just trying to own a business. I was born in the 1960s.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

Yes, my ancestors (Quakers & Union soldiers) have tried to lift up others for centuries. And I’m not going anywhere.

It’s time to lift up black people in a meaningful way - eliminate the wealth gap.

You get no credit for that and PP's judgment is based solely on his/her perception of your race.

- another person who's family fought for the Union

Yup.

Let's stop racist thinking.

People are NOT their skin color.

Skin color DOES matter in our society. Two Harvard-educated lawyers head home at 9pm from the gym - one black and one white. Which one gets stopped by cops on the street for “fitting the description”?

Systemic racism exists today. The harm from slavery & Jim Crow continues today.

Alright so how many dollars is a traffic worth? Do you get paid per stop? If we pay you now, is it okay to keep stopping and pay your great grandchildren again?

F U, racist trash

F u too.

I am totally on board with ending systemic racism. I am not on board with the theory that you deserve any money because of slavery. There is a huge difference between these two things.

And my post was meant to point that out. Yeah, the black guy is more likely to be stopped on the way. Let's put an end to that. Were you stopped unfairly twenty years? Many people were. Do you really want money for that? Really? Or would you prefer not to be stopped tomorrow? Which would really help you?

Reparations of some form could help bridge the wealth gap caused by US policies and on-going systemic racism. Wealth begets wealth. If more black people had wealth, more would have more opportunities. More are likely to have a job. More are likely to stay out of trouble.

Reparations (as part of larger social reform) could help break that cycle created by and perpetuated by white people.

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Anonymous wrote:Never going to pay one dime in reparations. I was born into and raised in poverty. Worked three jobs at times, went to night school which I paid for myself. Have never taken a cent of social service help and got out of the poverty hell hole I was born into. If you want a better life, work for it. I will not pay one dime because you won’t do what I and many others have done.

Right. So you are going to not pay taxes? Because you will not be writing a personal check.

I think PP is suggesting you will face a taxpayer revolt.

Ironic. Wouldn’t that result in privatized prisons having more funding as the tax evaders were locked up? Who benefits most from that?

Well, being that most tax cheats are never caught, and most who are caught just pay a penalty, I don't see much danger of that. Second, the most likely outcome of such a revolt is to make more Republicans. Which totally horrifies me as a Democrat, but if the GOP is good at anything, it's finding wedge issues. And this would be a huge one.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

Yes, my ancestors (Quakers & Union soldiers) have tried to lift up others for centuries. And I’m not going anywhere.

It’s time to lift up black people in a meaningful way - eliminate the wealth gap.

You get no credit for that and PP's judgment is based solely on his/her perception of your race.

- another person who's family fought for the Union

Yup.

Let's stop racist thinking.

People are NOT their skin color.

Skin color DOES matter in our society. Two Harvard-educated lawyers head home at 9pm from the gym - one black and one white. Which one gets stopped by cops on the street for “fitting the description”?

Systemic racism exists today. The harm from slavery & Jim Crow continues today.

Alright so how many dollars is a traffic worth? Do you get paid per stop? If we pay you now, is it okay to keep stopping and pay your great grandchildren again?

F U, racist trash

F u too.

I am totally on board with ending systemic racism. I am not on board with the theory that you deserve any money because of slavery. There is a huge difference between these two things.

And my post was meant to point that out. Yeah, the black guy is more likely to be stopped on the way. Let's put an end to that. Were you stopped unfairly twenty years? Many people were. Do you really want money for that? Really? Or would you prefer not to be stopped tomorrow? Which would really help you?

And just to be clear, if you don't think we can put a dollar amount on a traffic stop, you have understood me. Now think about what we can do about traffic stops.

Getting stopped by the police is a symptom of deeper inequality.

Fix the root problem - the wealth gap (economic inequality) - and a lot of the other problems go away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

Liberia was the option.

We didn't chose to stay. Slavery ended and black people had NOTHING. Remember, it was illegal for us to even learn to read and write. Where were we going?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

Yes, my ancestors (Quakers & Union soldiers) have tried to lift up others for centuries. And I’m not going anywhere.

It’s time to lift up black people in a meaningful way - eliminate the wealth gap.

You get no credit for that and PP's judgment is based solely on his/her perception of your race.

- another person who's family fought for the Union

Yup.

Let's stop racist thinking.

People are NOT their skin color.

Skin color DOES matter in our society. Two Harvard-educated lawyers head home at 9pm from the gym - one black and one white. Which one gets stopped by cops on the street for “fitting the description”?

Systemic racism exists today. The harm from slavery & Jim Crow continues today.

Alright so how many dollars is a traffic worth? Do you get paid per stop? If we pay you now, is it okay to keep stopping and pay your great grandchildren again?

F U, racist trash

F u too.

I am totally on board with ending systemic racism. I am not on board with the theory that you deserve any money because of slavery. There is a huge difference between these two things.

And my post was meant to point that out. Yeah, the black guy is more likely to be stopped on the way. Let's put an end to that. Were you stopped unfairly twenty years? Many people were. Do you really want money for that? Really? Or would you prefer not to be stopped tomorrow? Which would really help you?

Reparations of some form could help bridge the wealth gap caused by US policies and on-going systemic racism. Wealth begets wealth. If more black people had wealth, more would have more opportunities. More are likely to have a job. More are likely to stay out of trouble.

Reparations (as part of larger social reform) could help break that cycle created by and perpetuated by white people.

Well maybe. But this is not an argument for reparations. This is an argument for reducing wealth inequality. Which is really quite a different thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

Yes, my ancestors (Quakers & Union soldiers) have tried to lift up others for centuries. And I’m not going anywhere.

It’s time to lift up black people in a meaningful way - eliminate the wealth gap.

You get no credit for that and PP's judgment is based solely on his/her perception of your race.

- another person who's family fought for the Union

Yup.

Let's stop racist thinking.

People are NOT their skin color.

Skin color DOES matter in our society. Two Harvard-educated lawyers head home at 9pm from the gym - one black and one white. Which one gets stopped by cops on the street for “fitting the description”?

Systemic racism exists today. The harm from slavery & Jim Crow continues today.

Alright so how many dollars is a traffic worth? Do you get paid per stop? If we pay you now, is it okay to keep stopping and pay your great grandchildren again?

F U, racist trash

F u too.

I am totally on board with ending systemic racism. I am not on board with the theory that you deserve any money because of slavery. There is a huge difference between these two things.

And my post was meant to point that out. Yeah, the black guy is more likely to be stopped on the way. Let's put an end to that. Were you stopped unfairly twenty years? Many people were. Do you really want money for that? Really? Or would you prefer not to be stopped tomorrow? Which would really help you?

And just to be clear, if you don't think we can put a dollar amount on a traffic stop, you have understood me. Now think about what we can do about traffic stops.

Getting stopped by the police is a symptom of deeper inequality.

Fix the root problem - the wealth gap (economic inequality) - and a lot of the other problems go away.

But the argument all along has been that systemic racism is the root problem.

[Anonymous]

If I had any assurance that these folks would invest in belts, I'd be all in.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

Yes, my ancestors (Quakers & Union soldiers) have tried to lift up others for centuries. And I’m not going anywhere.

It’s time to lift up black people in a meaningful way - eliminate the wealth gap.

You get no credit for that and PP's judgment is based solely on his/her perception of your race.

- another person who's family fought for the Union

Yup.

Let's stop racist thinking.

People are NOT their skin color.

Skin color DOES matter in our society. Two Harvard-educated lawyers head home at 9pm from the gym - one black and one white. Which one gets stopped by cops on the street for “fitting the description”?

Systemic racism exists today. The harm from slavery & Jim Crow continues today.

Alright so how many dollars is a traffic worth? Do you get paid per stop? If we pay you now, is it okay to keep stopping and pay your great grandchildren again?

F U, racist trash

F u too.

I am totally on board with ending systemic racism. I am not on board with the theory that you deserve any money because of slavery. There is a huge difference between these two things.

And my post was meant to point that out. Yeah, the black guy is more likely to be stopped on the way. Let's put an end to that. Were you stopped unfairly twenty years? Many people were. Do you really want money for that? Really? Or would you prefer not to be stopped tomorrow? Which would really help you?

Reparations of some form could help bridge the wealth gap caused by US policies and on-going systemic racism. Wealth begets wealth. If more black people had wealth, more would have more opportunities. More are likely to have a job. More are likely to stay out of trouble.

Reparations (as part of larger social reform) could help break that cycle created by and perpetuated by white people.

Well maybe. But this is not an argument for reparations. This is an argument for reducing wealth inequality. Which is really quite a different thing.

Slavery and other US policies have led to much harm to black people, including the wealth gap. Reparations address the harm *and* wealth gap.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

Yes, my ancestors (Quakers & Union soldiers) have tried to lift up others for centuries. And I’m not going anywhere.

It’s time to lift up black people in a meaningful way - eliminate the wealth gap.

You get no credit for that and PP's judgment is based solely on his/her perception of your race.

- another person who's family fought for the Union

Yup.

Let's stop racist thinking.

People are NOT their skin color.

Skin color DOES matter in our society. Two Harvard-educated lawyers head home at 9pm from the gym - one black and one white. Which one gets stopped by cops on the street for “fitting the description”?

Systemic racism exists today. The harm from slavery & Jim Crow continues today.

Alright so how many dollars is a traffic worth? Do you get paid per stop? If we pay you now, is it okay to keep stopping and pay your great grandchildren again?

F U, racist trash

F u too.

I am totally on board with ending systemic racism. I am not on board with the theory that you deserve any money because of slavery. There is a huge difference between these two things.

And my post was meant to point that out. Yeah, the black guy is more likely to be stopped on the way. Let's put an end to that. Were you stopped unfairly twenty years? Many people were. Do you really want money for that? Really? Or would you prefer not to be stopped tomorrow? Which would really help you?

And just to be clear, if you don't think we can put a dollar amount on a traffic stop, you have understood me. Now think about what we can do about traffic stops.

Getting stopped by the police is a symptom of deeper inequality.

Fix the root problem - the wealth gap (economic inequality) - and a lot of the other problems go away.

But the argument all along has been that systemic racism is the root problem.

It’s all intertwined. Slavery, US policies, and systemic racism have all negatively affected black people in many ways, including the wealth gap. The wealth gap is now one of the biggest barriers preventing black people from “living the American dream” to their fullest potential.

Reparations can help to heal and remove that barrier.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

Yes, my ancestors (Quakers & Union soldiers) have tried to lift up others for centuries. And I’m not going anywhere.

It’s time to lift up black people in a meaningful way - eliminate the wealth gap.

You get no credit for that and PP's judgment is based solely on his/her perception of your race.

- another person who's family fought for the Union

Yup.

Let's stop racist thinking.

People are NOT their skin color.

Skin color DOES matter in our society. Two Harvard-educated lawyers head home at 9pm from the gym - one black and one white. Which one gets stopped by cops on the street for “fitting the description”?

Systemic racism exists today. The harm from slavery & Jim Crow continues today.

If whites were 12% of our country yet responsible for 50% of all violent crime, you bet it would be the white lawyer who would get stopped.

Why are black people disproportionately arrested and convicted of more crimes? Systemic racism.

You just made the case for reparations.

Um, they are arrested and stopped more because they are DOING more crime. Why is that hard to process? You think think all the black men (and women) sitting in jail for murder just were minding their own business and they were stopped, arresting, went to trial and convicted of murder (or rape, armed robbery, etc.) Look at crime stats. I’ve posted them before but won’t bother because facts seem to make more difference. But stats show black people commit more crime- by a lot- period. So yes, of course they are going to be arrested and convicted more. Go ahead and throw some money at that problem and see if it makes a difference. It won’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, nobody read the article. Are you the black nationalist poster? You know, long winded rambling responses about nonsense that you read in one of your extremist AA studies textbooks.

So, what if you are bi-racial? Do you pay, or get paid?

And what if you're descendant of European immigrants who came AFTER slavery had been abolished?

They're exempt from any payment, correct?

They chose to come to a racist country with policies that harmed black people.

You get the good AND the bad.

You chose to stay in this racist country. You get the good AND the bad.

Yes, my ancestors (Quakers & Union soldiers) have tried to lift up others for centuries. And I’m not going anywhere.

It’s time to lift up black people in a meaningful way - eliminate the wealth gap.

You get no credit for that and PP's judgment is based solely on his/her perception of your race.

- another person who's family fought for the Union

Yup.

Let's stop racist thinking.

People are NOT their skin color.

Skin color DOES matter in our society. Two Harvard-educated lawyers head home at 9pm from the gym - one black and one white. Which one gets stopped by cops on the street for “fitting the description”?

Systemic racism exists today. The harm from slavery & Jim Crow continues today.

If whites were 12% of our country yet responsible for 50% of all violent crime, you bet it would be the white lawyer who would get stopped.

Why are black people disproportionately arrested and convicted of more crimes? Systemic racism.

You just made the case for reparations.

Um, they are arrested and stopped more because they are DOING more crime. Why is that hard to process? You think think all the black men (and women) sitting in jail for murder just were minding their own business and they were stopped, arresting, went to trial and convicted of murder (or rape, armed robbery, etc.) Look at crime stats. I’ve posted them before but won’t bother because facts seem to make more difference. But stats show black people commit more crime- by a lot- period. So yes, of course they are going to be arrested and convicted more. Go ahead and throw some money at that problem and see if it makes a difference. It won’t.

Several reasons why:
- less wealth
- less education
- fewer opportunities
- more patrolling & profiling
- more rigorous prosecution & sentences

[Anonymous]

Ok here's the deal:

Pay black people reparations.

Next, pay trillions for the real estate money that is owed to Native Americans. Black people on Native American land too, thus they pay too.