Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed

[Anonymous]

I read the young man with disabilities also had schizophrenia and was recently off his meds.

The boys father is conscious but the mom is not and still in critical condition.

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Anonymous wrote:can we just take a pause to note that this is the 2nd fatal shooting at a Costco in california in 72 hours. no one is safe anywhere in this country.

Sadly true. What if there had been another cop in Costco that day who didn’t know the other guy was an off-duty cop? He looked like any other mass shooter, gunning down men and women. There would have been a blood bath.

What if...what it...blah blah blah

What if it was an active shooter and an off duty police officer took out the shooter?

You people are so brainwashed by the media. You sit around waiting for a video that appears to validate your hatred for police officers. And then you pretend to know what you're talking about despite having zero training or experience. Meanwhile, thousands of police officers deescalate potentially violent situations and choose not to shoot when faced with a potentially deadly threat.

What media dum-dum?
I guess you got your information from smoke signals and not the media.

Guess what, some people are able to think critically and understand that perception of reality and actual reality are two different things. The media consistently promotes dramatic stories because they sell. People click on emotional stories, which means $$. Nobody wants to watch dozens of police videos of cops deescalating situations.

It's probably hard for a coward like you to believe, but some people might actually know more about this subject than you. You know, like real life experience.

That’s their JOB, genius. That’s what we pay them to do. Other people have other skills and training and do other things.

What if doctors had your attitude? “Oh, come on, I helped a few people this month, it must be fine to kill one or three of them today.”

Really??

Whatever you say, straw man. I never said that the shooting is justified. I have no idea because I actually care about a thing called evidence, unlike you. But keep on think that you know what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:can we just take a pause to note that this is the 2nd fatal shooting at a Costco in california in 72 hours. no one is safe anywhere in this country.

Sadly true. What if there had been another cop in Costco that day who didn’t know the other guy was an off-duty cop? He looked like any other mass shooter, gunning down men and women. There would have been a blood bath.

What if...what it...blah blah blah

What if it was an active shooter and an off duty police officer took out the shooter?

You people are so brainwashed by the media. You sit around waiting for a video that appears to validate your hatred for police officers. And then you pretend to know what you're talking about despite having zero training or experience. Meanwhile, thousands of police officers deescalate potentially violent situations and choose not to shoot when faced with a potentially deadly threat.

What media dum-dum?
I guess you got your information from smoke signals and not the media.

Guess what, some people are able to think critically and understand that perception of reality and actual reality are two different things. The media consistently promotes dramatic stories because they sell. People click on emotional stories, which means $$. Nobody wants to watch dozens of police videos of cops deescalating situations.

It's probably hard for a coward like you to believe, but some people might actually know more about this subject than you. You know, like real life experience.

That’s their JOB, genius. That’s what we pay them to do. Other people have other skills and training and do other things.

What if doctors had your attitude? “Oh, come on, I helped a few people this month, it must be fine to kill one or three of them today.”

Really??

Whatever you say, straw man. I never said that the shooting is justified. I have no idea because I actually care about a thing called evidence, unlike you. But keep on think that you know what you are talking about.

Shootings. Plural. He didn’t just shoot and kill one person, he shot three people. One is already dead and one or even both of the others may still die from their injuries as well. It’s almost unbelievable to me (and a bunch of other people, judging from this thread) that you can possibly argue that the gunman was justified to shoot and critically/fatally wound three people. Repeatedly.

Can you at least agree that EVEN IF the son had first “attacked” the man, a taser would have been equally effective at dissolving the threat and nobody would be dead?

[Anonymous]

Can you agree that lots of perps DO have guns?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:can we just take a pause to note that this is the 2nd fatal shooting at a Costco in california in 72 hours. no one is safe anywhere in this country.

Sadly true. What if there had been another cop in Costco that day who didn’t know the other guy was an off-duty cop? He looked like any other mass shooter, gunning down men and women. There would have been a blood bath.

What if...what it...blah blah blah

What if it was an active shooter and an off duty police officer took out the shooter?

You people are so brainwashed by the media. You sit around waiting for a video that appears to validate your hatred for police officers. And then you pretend to know what you're talking about despite having zero training or experience. Meanwhile, thousands of police officers deescalate potentially violent situations and choose not to shoot when faced with a potentially deadly threat.

What media dum-dum?
I guess you got your information from smoke signals and not the media.

Guess what, some people are able to think critically and understand that perception of reality and actual reality are two different things. The media consistently promotes dramatic stories because they sell. People click on emotional stories, which means $$. Nobody wants to watch dozens of police videos of cops deescalating situations.

It's probably hard for a coward like you to believe, but some people might actually know more about this subject than you. You know, like real life experience.

That’s their JOB, genius. That’s what we pay them to do. Other people have other skills and training and do other things.

What if doctors had your attitude? “Oh, come on, I helped a few people this month, it must be fine to kill one or three of them today.”

Really??

Whatever you say, straw man. I never said that the shooting is justified. I have no idea because I actually care about a thing called evidence, unlike you. But keep on think that you know what you are talking about.

Shootings. Plural. He didn’t just shoot and kill one person, he shot three people. One is already dead and one or even both of the others may still die from their injuries as well. It’s almost unbelievable to me (and a bunch of other people, judging from this thread) that you can possibly argue that the gunman was justified to shoot and critically/fatally wound three people. Repeatedly.

Can you at least agree that EVEN IF the son had first “attacked” the man, a taser would have been equally effective at dissolving the threat and nobody would be dead?

First of all, tazers are not for lethal force situations. Nobody knows if this was a lethal force situations anyway.
Secondly, it's not realistic that someone off duty would also carry around a bulky tazer

Why do you keep saying that I think this is a justified shooting? Do you think it will come true if you keep saying it?

[Anonymous]

The Frenches’ attorney has seen the video, and apparently the real story is a little different than the defense attorney said:

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-costco-dispute-lapd-shooting-corona-20190618-story.html

According to this account, the son did push the officer (although no indication he fell or lost consciousness). Cop identified himself as an officer, dad stepped stepped in between them to try to explain that his son has a disability and die-escalate the situation, and then the cop started shooting.

[Anonymous]

Horrendous. This guy has no business carrying a gun, let alone work as a police officer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read the young man with disabilities also had schizophrenia and was recently off his meds.

The boys father is conscious but the mom is not and still in critical condition.

None of us know all the details and it's certainly possible the cop gravely overreacted, but people still need to stop calling this 32 year old man a "boy" or "child" or "young man." He was a physically grown man in his 30s. If you're a person in a store getting hit by an agitated man, it doesn't matter what his personal mental capacity was. From an investigation angle? Sure. From a person trying to figure out WTF is going on in the moment? Irrelevant. He was a tall, large, adult man.

And if the man was incapable of being in public safely (off his meds?!) then his caretakers should have taken all precautions to not bring an unsafe person in public.

Again, I'm not saying that being shot and killed is justified. None of us clearly know the details. But neither is belittling the personal responsibility of those who were shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the young man with disabilities also had schizophrenia and was recently off his meds.

The boys father is conscious but the mom is not and still in critical condition.

None of us know all the details and it's certainly possible the cop gravely overreacted, but people still need to stop calling this 32 year old man a "boy" or "child" or "young man." He was a physically grown man in his 30s. If you're a person in a store getting hit by an agitated man, it doesn't matter what his personal mental capacity was. From an investigation angle? Sure. From a person trying to figure out WTF is going on in the moment? Irrelevant. He was a tall, large, adult man.

And if the man was incapable of being in public safely (off his meds?!) then his caretakers should have taken all precautions to not bring an unsafe person in public.

Again, I'm not saying that being shot and killed is justified. None of us clearly know the details. But neither is belittling the personal responsibility of those who were shot.

the personal responsibility of the hot-headed cop, you mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the young man with disabilities also had schizophrenia and was recently off his meds.

The boys father is conscious but the mom is not and still in critical condition.

None of us know all the details and it's certainly possible the cop gravely overreacted, but people still need to stop calling this 32 year old man a "boy" or "child" or "young man." He was a physically grown man in his 30s. If you're a person in a store getting hit by an agitated man, it doesn't matter what his personal mental capacity was. From an investigation angle? Sure. From a person trying to figure out WTF is going on in the moment? Irrelevant. He was a tall, large, adult man.

And if the man was incapable of being in public safely (off his meds?!) then his caretakers should have taken all precautions to not bring an unsafe person in public.

Again, I'm not saying that being shot and killed is justified. None of us clearly know the details. But neither is belittling the personal responsibility of those who were shot.

the personal responsibility of the hot-headed cop, you mean?

Sure. And the personal responsibility of the unstable 32 year old man off his meds, in conjunction with his caretakers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the young man with disabilities also had schizophrenia and was recently off his meds.

The boys father is conscious but the mom is not and still in critical condition.

None of us know all the details and it's certainly possible the cop gravely overreacted, but people still need to stop calling this 32 year old man a "boy" or "child" or "young man." He was a physically grown man in his 30s. If you're a person in a store getting hit by an agitated man, it doesn't matter what his personal mental capacity was. From an investigation angle? Sure. From a person trying to figure out WTF is going on in the moment? Irrelevant. He was a tall, large, adult man.

And if the man was incapable of being in public safely (off his meds?!) then his caretakers should have taken all precautions to not bring an unsafe person in public.

Again, I'm not saying that being shot and killed is justified. None of us clearly know the details. But neither is belittling the personal responsibility of those who were shot.

the personal responsibility of the hot-headed cop, you mean?

Sure. And the personal responsibility of the unstable 32 year old man off his meds, in conjunction with his caretakers.

Yep, the personal responsibility of the father, who intervened when his son pushed someone and tried to explain and calm everyone down, and then got shot by a nut job cop who doesn’t get that shooting three people isn’t an appropriate response to being pushed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the young man with disabilities also had schizophrenia and was recently off his meds.

The boys father is conscious but the mom is not and still in critical condition.

None of us know all the details and it's certainly possible the cop gravely overreacted, but people still need to stop calling this 32 year old man a "boy" or "child" or "young man." He was a physically grown man in his 30s. If you're a person in a store getting hit by an agitated man, it doesn't matter what his personal mental capacity was. From an investigation angle? Sure. From a person trying to figure out WTF is going on in the moment? Irrelevant. He was a tall, large, adult man.

And if the man was incapable of being in public safely (off his meds?!) then his caretakers should have taken all precautions to not bring an unsafe person in public.

Again, I'm not saying that being shot and killed is justified. None of us clearly know the details. But neither is belittling the personal responsibility of those who were shot.

the personal responsibility of the hot-headed cop, you mean?

Sure. And the personal responsibility of the unstable 32 year old man off his meds, in conjunction with his caretakers.

Yep, the personal responsibility of the father, who intervened when his son pushed someone and tried to explain and calm everyone down, and then got shot by a nut job cop who doesn’t get that shooting three people isn’t an appropriate response to being pushed.

Tabloid news isn't factual investigation, pp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:can we just take a pause to note that this is the 2nd fatal shooting at a Costco in california in 72 hours. no one is safe anywhere in this country.

Sadly true. What if there had been another cop in Costco that day who didn’t know the other guy was an off-duty cop? He looked like any other mass shooter, gunning down men and women. There would have been a blood bath.

What if...what it...blah blah blah

What if it was an active shooter and an off duty police officer took out the shooter?

You people are so brainwashed by the media. You sit around waiting for a video that appears to validate your hatred for police officers. And then you pretend to know what you're talking about despite having zero training or experience. Meanwhile, thousands of police officers deescalate potentially violent situations and choose not to shoot when faced with a potentially deadly threat.

What media dum-dum?
I guess you got your information from smoke signals and not the media.

Guess what, some people are able to think critically and understand that perception of reality and actual reality are two different things. The media consistently promotes dramatic stories because they sell. People click on emotional stories, which means $$. Nobody wants to watch dozens of police videos of cops deescalating situations.

It's probably hard for a coward like you to believe, but some people might actually know more about this subject than you. You know, like real life experience.

That’s their JOB, genius. That’s what we pay them to do. Other people have other skills and training and do other things.

What if doctors had your attitude? “Oh, come on, I helped a few people this month, it must be fine to kill one or three of them today.”

Really??

Whatever you say, straw man. I never said that the shooting is justified. I have no idea because I actually care about a thing called evidence, unlike you. But keep on think that you know what you are talking about.

Shootings. Plural. He didn’t just shoot and kill one person, he shot three people. One is already dead and one or even both of the others may still die from their injuries as well. It’s almost unbelievable to me (and a bunch of other people, judging from this thread) that you can possibly argue that the gunman was justified to shoot and critically/fatally wound three people. Repeatedly.

Can you at least agree that EVEN IF the son had first “attacked” the man, a taser would have been equally effective at dissolving the threat and nobody would be dead?

First of all, tazers are not for lethal force situations. Nobody knows if this was a lethal force situations anyway.
Secondly, it's not realistic that someone off duty would also carry around a bulky tazer

Why do you keep saying that I think this is a justified shooting? Do you think it will come true if you keep saying it?

I don't think a Tazer is non lethal. If the subject of a Tazer is in perfect health, then a Tazer is safe. But that's not often the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the young man with disabilities also had schizophrenia and was recently off his meds.

The boys father is conscious but the mom is not and still in critical condition.

None of us know all the details and it's certainly possible the cop gravely overreacted, but people still need to stop calling this 32 year old man a "boy" or "child" or "young man." He was a physically grown man in his 30s. If you're a person in a store getting hit by an agitated man, it doesn't matter what his personal mental capacity was. From an investigation angle? Sure. From a person trying to figure out WTF is going on in the moment? Irrelevant. He was a tall, large, adult man.

And if the man was incapable of being in public safely (off his meds?!) then his caretakers should have taken all precautions to not bring an unsafe person in public.

Again, I'm not saying that being shot and killed is justified. None of us clearly know the details. But neither is belittling the personal responsibility of those who were shot.

the personal responsibility of the hot-headed cop, you mean?

Sure. And the personal responsibility of the unstable 32 year old man off his meds, in conjunction with his caretakers.

Yep, the personal responsibility of the father, who intervened when his son pushed someone and tried to explain and calm everyone down, and then got shot by a nut job cop who doesn’t get that shooting three people isn’t an appropriate response to being pushed.

Tabloid news isn't factual investigation, pp.

Who cited to tabloid news? The same paper that gave us the defense attorney’s story that you’re so eager to believe has also provided the family’s attorney’s account of the video. The latter is consistent with initial bystander reports, the former is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Frenches’ attorney has seen the video, and apparently the real story is a little different than the defense attorney said:

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-costco-dispute-lapd-shooting-corona-20190618-story.html

According to this account, the son did push the officer (although no indication he fell or lost consciousness). Cop identified himself as an officer, dad stepped stepped in between them to try to explain that his son has a disability and die-escalate the situation, and then the cop started shooting.

So, now we have two different accounts from each side...still need to wait and see.