this is the only place to admit it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a 38 year old woman, progressive. I love Obama. I am also voting for Trump and vehemently denying it even to my own spouse because he calls me a fascist at breakfast if I try to plead my case.

I'm sorry you have a jerk for a husband. DH and I don't always see eye to eye in politics but never have I felt I couldn't express my opinion to him. That is very sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here: To be frank, I don't think my reasons would justify well in this space. I just needed to unload somewhere. DCUM was the only place to do it. Thank you for listening.

I'm pretty sure you're a troll and just trying to be provocative. But whatever. Have a nice day.

Why would this person be a troll? Do you think it impossible that a middle aged black man would vote for Trump? I don't think it is that far fetched at all and can understand why he would not admit to his friends. I do think that you are in denial and will be surprised when Trump becomes POTUS. I see this going down in the history books like this: Donald J. Trump, a controversial candidate hated by many, elected by a small margin, made the most positive change in the US in a century. Crime at all time low, economy booming, jobs coming back to US, immigration problem solved, etc. etc. In his second term, he won 95% of he vote.

Different poster, but I absolutely find it impossible to believe that an educated black person could support Obama and then vote for Trump. It's just not credible. It's about as fantastical as your vision of Trump's legacy.

I wasn't buying the troll thing at first, but the fact that the OP can't explain it - to an anonymous forum, no less - pretty much confirms it. Like the Trumpian utopia you're fantasizing about, there's no basis in reality. I think the OP is just another scared, angry white guy wanting to believe the fantasy that Trump is supported by more than scared, angry white guys.

[Anonymous]

I'm sitting here laughing at the scared sh*tless democrats on this thread freaking out that someone would dare support a position they dont. Oh the horrors.

I'm a registered independent that has voted for both parties in the past and even I can't stand the whiny, angry rhetoric that comes from the Democratic side anytime anyone says they support a conservative viewpoint.

Democrats love to complain about "angry and closed minded" conservatives, but Democrats seem to totally lose their mind when someone sees the world differently. I don't see much tolerance or open-mindedness on that side of the fence at all. Both sides are pretty much full of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here: To be frank, I don't think my reasons would justify well in this space. I just needed to unload somewhere. DCUM was the only place to do it. Thank you for listening.

I'm pretty sure you're a troll and just trying to be provocative. But whatever. Have a nice day.

Why would this person be a troll? Do you think it impossible that a middle aged black man would vote for Trump? I don't think it is that far fetched at all and can understand why he would not admit to his friends. I do think that you are in denial and will be surprised when Trump becomes POTUS. I see this going down in the history books like this: Donald J. Trump, a controversial candidate hated by many, elected by a small margin, made the most positive change in the US in a century. Crime at all time low, economy booming, jobs coming back to US, immigration problem solved, etc. etc. In his second term, he won 95% of he vote.

Different poster, but I absolutely find it impossible to believe that an educated black person could support Obama and then vote for Trump. It's just not credible. It's about as fantastical as your vision of Trump's legacy.

I wasn't buying the troll thing at first, but the fact that the OP can't explain it - to an anonymous forum, no less - pretty much confirms it. Like the Trumpian utopia you're fantasizing about, there's no basis in reality. I think the OP is just another scared, angry white guy wanting to believe the fantasy that Trump is supported by more than scared, angry white guys.

Ummm...

Did you watch the convention? There were a lot of black delegates there in the audience.

CNN did a segment where they talked about how many AA people have historically supported the Republican party. Colin Powell, Condelezza Rice, etc. They were talking about the few AA speakers who spoke in support of Trump at the Convention.

The fact that you find this unbelieveable really means that you're out of touch and just want to only see your side blindly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm sitting here laughing at the scared sh*tless democrats on this thread freaking out that someone would dare support a position they dont. Oh the horrors.

I'm a registered independent that has voted for both parties in the past and even I can't stand the whiny, angry rhetoric that comes from the Democratic side anytime anyone says they support a conservative viewpoint.

Democrats love to complain about "angry and closed minded" conservatives, but Democrats seem to totally lose their mind when someone sees the world differently. I don't see much tolerance or open-mindedness on that side of the fence at all. Both sides are pretty much full of it.

Well, if I have to be open-minded to bigotism, racism and hypocrisy, I guess I am ok being called intolerant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here: To be frank, I don't think my reasons would justify well in this space. I just needed to unload somewhere. DCUM was the only place to do it. Thank you for listening.

I'm pretty sure you're a troll and just trying to be provocative. But whatever. Have a nice day.

Why would this person be a troll? Do you think it impossible that a middle aged black man would vote for Trump? I don't think it is that far fetched at all and can understand why he would not admit to his friends. I do think that you are in denial and will be surprised when Trump becomes POTUS. I see this going down in the history books like this: Donald J. Trump, a controversial candidate hated by many, elected by a small margin, made the most positive change in the US in a century. Crime at all time low, economy booming, jobs coming back to US, immigration problem solved, etc. etc. In his second term, he won 95% of he vote.

Different poster, but I absolutely find it impossible to believe that an educated black person could support Obama and then vote for Trump. It's just not credible. It's about as fantastical as your vision of Trump's legacy.

I wasn't buying the troll thing at first, but the fact that the OP can't explain it - to an anonymous forum, no less - pretty much confirms it. Like the Trumpian utopia you're fantasizing about, there's no basis in reality. I think the OP is just another scared, angry white guy wanting to believe the fantasy that Trump is supported by more than scared, angry white guys.

Ummm...

Did you watch the convention? There were a lot of black delegates there in the audience.

CNN did a segment where they talked about how many AA people have historically supported the Republican party. Colin Powell, Condelezza Rice, etc. They were talking about the few AA speakers who spoke in support of Trump at the Convention.

The fact that you find this unbelieveable really means that you're out of touch and just want to only see your side blindly.

The republican party today is very different from the republican party of Colin Powell and Condolezza Rice. I had absolutely no problem with that party.

[Anonymous]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-American_Republicans

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm voting for Trump but I'm not telling anyone. Maybe that's part of the problem. But as I see it, people who are against Trump are SOOOO against him that they can't be nice or have a normal conversation about why Trump vs. Hillary. Too many people get defensive or try to get you to change your mind. I'm all for listening to another perspective, but not at the risk of being attacked.

For what's it worth, here are the main reasons I'm voting Trump:
1) What Trump actually says vs. the media headlines/quotes taken out of context are two different things. Does he say stuff he shouldn't? Absolutely. And some of it I certainly don't agree with. But, see point 2.
2) He's not an established politician. He's new to the scene and will shake things up. I think our political system needs that. And because he isn't a politician, he's rougher around the edges. Hasn't had the media training or experience all the other candidates have.
3) He's a successful businessman. He knows how to put the right people in the right position to create a successful company/business. I see that as the job of the President.
4) And after last night's speech, he's bringing the Republican party to a more middle ground--I like that.
5) And last but not least, I agree that neither Presidential hopeful is ideal. But with Trump, at least you know where you stand. With Hillary, it's a series of lies and skirting the system. To me, she's not trustworthy.

+1

I understand what Trump meant very well. I am frustrated with the media twisting his words. That's one of the main reasons that my spouse, who is not political and rarely voted before, will vote for Trump in November. I will not vote for Ted Cruz type of Republican. But with Trump it's an easy choice for me.

Can you cite any examples when the media "twisted his words"? The NY Times posted his thoughts about NATO. The GOP foreign policy shops went berserk. Trump reiterated his comments in his speech last night. Did the Time twist his words?

Trump offers some fresh ideas that no other politicians have the guts to discuss. When he first brought up NATO, I think it was with Wolf Blitzer, the press went all out spreading misinformation that he wanted to abandon NATO or destroy our alliances. The press also twisted his words that he wanted to give Japan and South Korea nuclear weapons ... What Trump meant was very simple, our NATO allies, Japan, South Korea etc are not paying their fair share of the cost. That's it. He has set the tone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here: To be frank, I don't think my reasons would justify well in this space. I just needed to unload somewhere. DCUM was the only place to do it. Thank you for listening.

I'm pretty sure you're a troll and just trying to be provocative. But whatever. Have a nice day.

Why would this person be a troll? Do you think it impossible that a middle aged black man would vote for Trump? I don't think it is that far fetched at all and can understand why he would not admit to his friends. I do think that you are in denial and will be surprised when Trump becomes POTUS. I see this going down in the history books like this: Donald J. Trump, a controversial candidate hated by many, elected by a small margin, made the most positive change in the US in a century. Crime at all time low, economy booming, jobs coming back to US, immigration problem solved, etc. etc. In his second term, he won 95% of he vote.

Different poster, but I absolutely find it impossible to believe that an educated black person could support Obama and then vote for Trump. It's just not credible. It's about as fantastical as your vision of Trump's legacy.

I wasn't buying the troll thing at first, but the fact that the OP can't explain it - to an anonymous forum, no less - pretty much confirms it. Like the Trumpian utopia you're fantasizing about, there's no basis in reality. I think the OP is just another scared, angry white guy wanting to believe the fantasy that Trump is supported by more than scared, angry white guys.

Ummm...

Did you watch the convention? There were a lot of black delegates there in the audience.

CNN did a segment where they talked about how many AA people have historically supported the Republican party. Colin Powell, Condelezza Rice, etc. They were talking about the few AA speakers who spoke in support of Trump at the Convention.

The fact that you find this unbelieveable really means that you're out of touch and just want to only see your side blindly.

How many of those black people at the convention do you think voted for Obama? Where are Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice today? And if any of these people were asked, don't you think they could at least [i]say[\i] why they're voting from Trump - especially if they have the opportunity to do it anonymously?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm voting for Trump but I'm not telling anyone. Maybe that's part of the problem. But as I see it, people who are against Trump are SOOOO against him that they can't be nice or have a normal conversation about why Trump vs. Hillary. Too many people get defensive or try to get you to change your mind. I'm all for listening to another perspective, but not at the risk of being attacked.

For what's it worth, here are the main reasons I'm voting Trump:
1) What Trump actually says vs. the media headlines/quotes taken out of context are two different things. Does he say stuff he shouldn't? Absolutely. And some of it I certainly don't agree with. But, see point 2.
2) He's not an established politician. He's new to the scene and will shake things up. I think our political system needs that. And because he isn't a politician, he's rougher around the edges. Hasn't had the media training or experience all the other candidates have.
3) He's a successful businessman. He knows how to put the right people in the right position to create a successful company/business. I see that as the job of the President.
4) And after last night's speech, he's bringing the Republican party to a more middle ground--I like that.
5) And last but not least, I agree that neither Presidential hopeful is ideal. But with Trump, at least you know where you stand. With Hillary, it's a series of lies and skirting the system. To me, she's not trustworthy.

+1

I understand what Trump meant very well. I am frustrated with the media twisting his words. That's one of the main reasons that my spouse, who is not political and rarely voted before, will vote for Trump in November. I will not vote for Ted Cruz type of Republican. But with Trump it's an easy choice for me.

Can you cite any examples when the media "twisted his words"? The NY Times posted his thoughts about NATO. The GOP foreign policy shops went berserk. Trump reiterated his comments in his speech last night. Did the Time twist his words?

Trump offers some fresh ideas that no other politicians have the guts to discuss. When he first brought up NATO, I think it was with Wolf Blitzer, the press went all out spreading misinformation that he wanted to abandon NATO or destroy our alliances. The press also twisted his words that he wanted to give Japan and South Korea nuclear weapons ... What Trump meant was very simple, our NATO allies, Japan, South Korea etc are not paying their fair share of the cost. That's it. He has set the tone.

He SAID he wouldn't support NATO allies. Who cares what the reasons are, that is SAYING he'll abandon the alliance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here: To be frank, I don't think my reasons would justify well in this space. I just needed to unload somewhere. DCUM was the only place to do it. Thank you for listening.

I'm pretty sure you're a troll and just trying to be provocative. But whatever. Have a nice day.

Why would this person be a troll? Do you think it impossible that a middle aged black man would vote for Trump? I don't think it is that far fetched at all and can understand why he would not admit to his friends. I do think that you are in denial and will be surprised when Trump becomes POTUS. I see this going down in the history books like this: Donald J. Trump, a controversial candidate hated by many, elected by a small margin, made the most positive change in the US in a century. Crime at all time low, economy booming, jobs coming back to US, immigration problem solved, etc. etc. In his second term, he won 95% of he vote.

Different poster, but I absolutely find it impossible to believe that an educated black person could support Obama and then vote for Trump. It's just not credible. It's about as fantastical as your vision of Trump's legacy.

I wasn't buying the troll thing at first, but the fact that the OP can't explain it - to an anonymous forum, no less - pretty much confirms it. Like the Trumpian utopia you're fantasizing about, there's no basis in reality. I think the OP is just another scared, angry white guy wanting to believe the fantasy that Trump is supported by more than scared, angry white guys.

Ummm...

Did you watch the convention? There were a lot of black delegates there in the audience.

CNN did a segment where they talked about how many AA people have historically supported the Republican party. Colin Powell, Condelezza Rice, etc. They were talking about the few AA speakers who spoke in support of Trump at the Convention.

The fact that you find this unbelieveable really means that you're out of touch and just want to only see your side blindly.

How many of those black people at the convention do you think voted for Obama? Where are Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice today? And if any of these people were asked, don't you think they could at least [i]say[\i] why they're voting from Trump - especially if they have the opportunity to do it anonymously?

At this point I suspect the OP just doesn't want to engage with you any more. You sound rabid.

It's not as if you'd openmindedly listen to what his/her reasoning is......you'll just jump to pan it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here: To be frank, I don't think my reasons would justify well in this space. I just needed to unload somewhere. DCUM was the only place to do it. Thank you for listening.

I'm pretty sure you're a troll and just trying to be provocative. But whatever. Have a nice day.

Why would this person be a troll? Do you think it impossible that a middle aged black man would vote for Trump? I don't think it is that far fetched at all and can understand why he would not admit to his friends. I do think that you are in denial and will be surprised when Trump becomes POTUS. I see this going down in the history books like this: Donald J. Trump, a controversial candidate hated by many, elected by a small margin, made the most positive change in the US in a century. Crime at all time low, economy booming, jobs coming back to US, immigration problem solved, etc. etc. In his second term, he won 95% of he vote.

Different poster, but I absolutely find it impossible to believe that an educated black person could support Obama and then vote for Trump. It's just not credible. It's about as fantastical as your vision of Trump's legacy.

I wasn't buying the troll thing at first, but the fact that the OP can't explain it - to an anonymous forum, no less - pretty much confirms it. Like the Trumpian utopia you're fantasizing about, there's no basis in reality. I think the OP is just another scared, angry white guy wanting to believe the fantasy that Trump is supported by more than scared, angry white guys.

Ummm...

Did you watch the convention? There were a lot of black delegates there in the audience.

CNN did a segment where they talked about how many AA people have historically supported the Republican party. Colin Powell, Condelezza Rice, etc. They were talking about the few AA speakers who spoke in support of Trump at the Convention.

The fact that you find this unbelieveable really means that you're out of touch and just want to only see your side blindly.

Please show any polling data that shows significant support for Trump by AA's. AA Republicans always get a lot of face time because they are so rare. Yes, some AA's are traditionally very conservative, but they are not represented in today's Republican party. This was part of the totally disregarded 2012 autopsy--minority populations have signifcant numbers of religious and social conservatives who would be a natural fit for the Republican party IF the Republican party would make even the smallest effort to welcome them. But they have not because they are hellbent on appealing solely to white males, so hello President Clinton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm voting for Trump but I'm not telling anyone. Maybe that's part of the problem. But as I see it, people who are against Trump are SOOOO against him that they can't be nice or have a normal conversation about why Trump vs. Hillary. Too many people get defensive or try to get you to change your mind. I'm all for listening to another perspective, but not at the risk of being attacked.

For what's it worth, here are the main reasons I'm voting Trump:
1) What Trump actually says vs. the media headlines/quotes taken out of context are two different things. Does he say stuff he shouldn't? Absolutely. And some of it I certainly don't agree with. But, see point 2.
2) He's not an established politician. He's new to the scene and will shake things up. I think our political system needs that. And because he isn't a politician, he's rougher around the edges. Hasn't had the media training or experience all the other candidates have.
3) He's a successful businessman. He knows how to put the right people in the right position to create a successful company/business. I see that as the job of the President.
4) And after last night's speech, he's bringing the Republican party to a more middle ground--I like that.
5) And last but not least, I agree that neither Presidential hopeful is ideal. But with Trump, at least you know where you stand. With Hillary, it's a series of lies and skirting the system. To me, she's not trustworthy.

+1

I understand what Trump meant very well. I am frustrated with the media twisting his words. That's one of the main reasons that my spouse, who is not political and rarely voted before, will vote for Trump in November. I will not vote for Ted Cruz type of Republican. But with Trump it's an easy choice for me.

Can you cite any examples when the media "twisted his words"? The NY Times posted his thoughts about NATO. The GOP foreign policy shops went berserk. Trump reiterated his comments in his speech last night. Did the Time twist his words?

Trump offers some fresh ideas that no other politicians have the guts to discuss. When he first brought up NATO, I think it was with Wolf Blitzer, the press went all out spreading misinformation that he wanted to abandon NATO or destroy our alliances. The press also twisted his words that he wanted to give Japan and South Korea nuclear weapons ... What Trump meant was very simple, our NATO allies, Japan, South Korea etc are not paying their fair share of the cost. That's it. He has set the tone.

There are reasons for that. If it's time to change, ok. But Trump hasn't said that, he's just complaining about money. He's also ignoring how much different states benefit from military spending -- cutting back would hurt lots of workers and would be very unpopular. I think we should scale back, but I know that it would be very hard to do, Trump doesn't seem to know that or care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here: To be frank, I don't think my reasons would justify well in this space. I just needed to unload somewhere. DCUM was the only place to do it. Thank you for listening.

I'm pretty sure you're a troll and just trying to be provocative. But whatever. Have a nice day.

Why would this person be a troll? Do you think it impossible that a middle aged black man would vote for Trump? I don't think it is that far fetched at all and can understand why he would not admit to his friends. I do think that you are in denial and will be surprised when Trump becomes POTUS. I see this going down in the history books like this: Donald J. Trump, a controversial candidate hated by many, elected by a small margin, made the most positive change in the US in a century. Crime at all time low, economy booming, jobs coming back to US, immigration problem solved, etc. etc. In his second term, he won 95% of he vote.

Different poster, but I absolutely find it impossible to believe that an educated black person could support Obama and then vote for Trump. It's just not credible. It's about as fantastical as your vision of Trump's legacy.

I wasn't buying the troll thing at first, but the fact that the OP can't explain it - to an anonymous forum, no less - pretty much confirms it. Like the Trumpian utopia you're fantasizing about, there's no basis in reality. I think the OP is just another scared, angry white guy wanting to believe the fantasy that Trump is supported by more than scared, angry white guys.

Ummm...

Did you watch the convention? There were a lot of black delegates there in the audience.

CNN did a segment where they talked about how many AA people have historically supported the Republican party. Colin Powell, Condelezza Rice, etc. They were talking about the few AA speakers who spoke in support of Trump at the Convention.

The fact that you find this unbelieveable really means that you're out of touch and just want to only see your side blindly.

How many of those black people at the convention do you think voted for Obama? Where are Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice today? And if any of these people were asked, don't you think they could at least [i]say[\i] why they're voting from Trump - especially if they have the opportunity to do it anonymously?

At this point I suspect the OP just doesn't want to engage with you any more. You sound rabid.

It's not as if you'd openmindedly listen to what his/her reasoning is......you'll just jump to pan it.

I'm actually genuinely curious how the OP can be who s/he says they are and still support Trump. Because if it was important enough in the original post to even raise demographics, then there must be a point the OP is trying to make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here: To be frank, I don't think my reasons would justify well in this space. I just needed to unload somewhere. DCUM was the only place to do it. Thank you for listening.

I'm pretty sure you're a troll and just trying to be provocative. But whatever. Have a nice day.

Why would this person be a troll? Do you think it impossible that a middle aged black man would vote for Trump? I don't think it is that far fetched at all and can understand why he would not admit to his friends. I do think that you are in denial and will be surprised when Trump becomes POTUS. I see this going down in the history books like this: Donald J. Trump, a controversial candidate hated by many, elected by a small margin, made the most positive change in the US in a century. Crime at all time low, economy booming, jobs coming back to US, immigration problem solved, etc. etc. In his second term, he won 95% of he vote.

Different poster, but I absolutely find it impossible to believe that an educated black person could support Obama and then vote for Trump. It's just not credible. It's about as fantastical as your vision of Trump's legacy.

I wasn't buying the troll thing at first, but the fact that the OP can't explain it - to an anonymous forum, no less - pretty much confirms it. Like the Trumpian utopia you're fantasizing about, there's no basis in reality. I think the OP is just another scared, angry white guy wanting to believe the fantasy that Trump is supported by more than scared, angry white guys.

Ummm...

Did you watch the convention? There were a lot of black delegates there in the audience.

CNN did a segment where they talked about how many AA people have historically supported the Republican party. Colin Powell, Condelezza Rice, etc. They were talking about the few AA speakers who spoke in support of Trump at the Convention.

The fact that you find this unbelieveable really means that you're out of touch and just want to only see your side blindly.

There were 18 AA out of 2000 delegates. If you paid attention to such things, during the prime time speeches they kept showing the same four AA delegates over and over.

Were Powell and Rice there this week?

The history of the Republican party, from Lincoln to Jackie Robinson, is irrelevant at this point. Trump repudiated everything they believed in last night.