Option B Alternate - Adding extra ES to WJ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Farmland and Luxmanor would be more successful if they proposed removing themselves from Woodward.

You may be onto something. They get moved to WJ and, to solve Woodward underutilization and WJ overcrowding, all three NBMS elementary schools get moved to Woodward.

Sarcasm aside, then you’re back to displacing other populations against their wishes to get the student body that matches your expectations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Farmland and Luxmanor would be more successful if they proposed removing themselves from Woodward.

You may be onto something. They get moved to WJ and, to solve Woodward underutilization and WJ overcrowding, all three NBMS elementary schools get moved to Woodward.

Sarcasm aside, then you’re back to displacing other populations against their wishes to get the student body that matches your expectations.

Gasp, it’s almost like everyone is the same and Luxmanor/Farmland aren’t a unique breed of supervillains who happened to colonize two ES

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Farmland and Luxmanor would be more successful if they proposed removing themselves from Woodward.

You may be onto something. They get moved to WJ and, to solve Woodward underutilization and WJ overcrowding, all three NBMS elementary schools get moved to Woodward.

Ashburton kids walk to WJ. Ashburton’s not going anywhere. The walk zones overlap but are complicated by the highways and WJ sitting inside the triangle created by the 270 spurs and 495. MCPS walk zones generally don’t require even HS kids to cross highways.

The options that made utilization numbers more equal between WJ and Woodward also required more split articulation than the Superintendent’s recommendation, and one thing pretty much all communities have agreed on in their feedback is disliking split articulation.

There just isn’t an “easy” better alternative. Especially if VM and WW families prefer to articulate together to the same HS. The area between VM and WW has been going to WJ via GPES/Tilden for years and from what I’ve heard is happy with WJ, but people want what they want and are best positioned to advocate for themselves, their kids, their school community. Moving that northern part of GPES back to WJ would create a WJ island, which the current recommendation seems to be trying to avoid. But it might help the utilization disparity in a way that doesn’t require split articulation of additional ESs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a very valid proposal and I wish MCPS would have had the stones to propose it themselves. However it is tone deaf for one school community to propose a boundary change impacting a different school community and not consulting them.

They sort of did with all of their 9 or so options over the year. It just didn't get positive feedback during the surveys and Taylor did what he believed was best for MCPS. It's his fiduciary duty after all.

Agree the petitioners should have consulted the various communities impacted but went on their own bc they don't care about anything but property value.

It is not the petitioners’ job to conduct their own study. It is their right to present a concern or feedback on the options. Any other community can provide their own feedback or write their own petitions.

They don't have to conduct their own study. It just looks bad to propose moving someone else out of their high school.

Which is not what the proposal is about. VM and WW are being moved out of their current school one way or the other.

But Farmland and Luxmanor want them moved out of *Farmland and Luxmanor's* new high school.

'Moving out' of the school that has yet to open and where no WW or VM student ever set foot is not moving out in a real sense.

omg, these people.

Farmland and Luxmanor (or really, some people from) are campaigning to kick VM and WW out of the proposed new high school that Farmland and Luxmanor will attend. Rather than advocating for themselves, as in, "we don't want to change schools," they are effectively saying "we'll change schools, but we don't want it to be with them. Move them, and we'll be fine."

Which is... rude at best. I don't know what kind of definition of moving out you need in order to make it not rude. They are advocating for another school to change boundaries, so that their kids will not have to attend school with them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a very valid proposal and I wish MCPS would have had the stones to propose it themselves. However it is tone deaf for one school community to propose a boundary change impacting a different school community and not consulting them.

They sort of did with all of their 9 or so options over the year. It just didn't get positive feedback during the surveys and Taylor did what he believed was best for MCPS. It's his fiduciary duty after all.

Agree the petitioners should have consulted the various communities impacted but went on their own bc they don't care about anything but property value.

It is not the petitioners’ job to conduct their own study. It is their right to present a concern or feedback on the options. Any other community can provide their own feedback or write their own petitions.

They don't have to conduct their own study. It just looks bad to propose moving someone else out of their high school.

Which is not what the proposal is about. VM and WW are being moved out of their current school one way or the other.

But Farmland and Luxmanor want them moved out of *Farmland and Luxmanor's* new high school.

'Moving out' of the school that has yet to open and where no WW or VM student ever set foot is not moving out in a real sense.

omg, these people.

Farmland and Luxmanor (or really, some people from) are campaigning to kick VM and WW out of the proposed new high school that Farmland and Luxmanor will attend. Rather than advocating for themselves, as in, "we don't want to change schools," they are effectively saying "we'll change schools, but we don't want it to be with them. Move them, and we'll be fine."

Which is... rude at best. I don't know what kind of definition of moving out you need in order to make it not rude. They are advocating for another school to change boundaries, so that their kids will not have to attend school with them.

Under all options, recommendations, proposals, ..., some schools are being moved to some other schools. And nobody is calling it being 'kicked out'. Under the Taylor recommendation, VM is being 'kicked out' of Wheaton, Farmland is being 'kicked out' of WJ, Wheaton Woods is being 'kicked out' of Wheaton, ... The proposal simply calls for more balancing kicking to take place.

What do you find confusing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a very valid proposal and I wish MCPS would have had the stones to propose it themselves. However it is tone deaf for one school community to propose a boundary change impacting a different school community and not consulting them.

They sort of did with all of their 9 or so options over the year. It just didn't get positive feedback during the surveys and Taylor did what he believed was best for MCPS. It's his fiduciary duty after all.

Agree the petitioners should have consulted the various communities impacted but went on their own bc they don't care about anything but property value.

It is not the petitioners’ job to conduct their own study. It is their right to present a concern or feedback on the options. Any other community can provide their own feedback or write their own petitions.

They don't have to conduct their own study. It just looks bad to propose moving someone else out of their high school.

Which is not what the proposal is about. VM and WW are being moved out of their current school one way or the other.

But Farmland and Luxmanor want them moved out of *Farmland and Luxmanor's* new high school.

'Moving out' of the school that has yet to open and where no WW or VM student ever set foot is not moving out in a real sense.

omg, these people.

Farmland and Luxmanor (or really, some people from) are campaigning to kick VM and WW out of the proposed new high school that Farmland and Luxmanor will attend. Rather than advocating for themselves, as in, "we don't want to change schools," they are effectively saying "we'll change schools, but we don't want it to be with them. Move them, and we'll be fine."

Which is... rude at best. I don't know what kind of definition of moving out you need in order to make it not rude. They are advocating for another school to change boundaries, so that their kids will not have to attend school with them.

Under all options, recommendations, proposals, ..., some schools are being moved to some other schools. And nobody is calling it being 'kicked out'. Under the Taylor recommendation, VM is being 'kicked out' of Wheaton, Farmland is being 'kicked out' of WJ, Wheaton Woods is being 'kicked out' of Wheaton, ... The proposal simply calls for more balancing kicking to take place.

What do you find confusing?

It’s different when it is the community (or a few vocal individuals of the community) saying that they don’t want you at the same school as them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a very valid proposal and I wish MCPS would have had the stones to propose it themselves. However it is tone deaf for one school community to propose a boundary change impacting a different school community and not consulting them.

They sort of did with all of their 9 or so options over the year. It just didn't get positive feedback during the surveys and Taylor did what he believed was best for MCPS. It's his fiduciary duty after all.

Agree the petitioners should have consulted the various communities impacted but went on their own bc they don't care about anything but property value.

It is not the petitioners’ job to conduct their own study. It is their right to present a concern or feedback on the options. Any other community can provide their own feedback or write their own petitions.

They don't have to conduct their own study. It just looks bad to propose moving someone else out of their high school.

Which is not what the proposal is about. VM and WW are being moved out of their current school one way or the other.

But Farmland and Luxmanor want them moved out of *Farmland and Luxmanor's* new high school.

'Moving out' of the school that has yet to open and where no WW or VM student ever set foot is not moving out in a real sense.

omg, these people.

Farmland and Luxmanor (or really, some people from) are campaigning to kick VM and WW out of the proposed new high school that Farmland and Luxmanor will attend. Rather than advocating for themselves, as in, "we don't want to change schools," they are effectively saying "we'll change schools, but we don't want it to be with them. Move them, and we'll be fine."

Which is... rude at best. I don't know what kind of definition of moving out you need in order to make it not rude. They are advocating for another school to change boundaries, so that their kids will not have to attend school with them.

Under all options, recommendations, proposals, ..., some schools are being moved to some other schools. And nobody is calling it being 'kicked out'. Under the Taylor recommendation, VM is being 'kicked out' of Wheaton, Farmland is being 'kicked out' of WJ, Wheaton Woods is being 'kicked out' of Wheaton, ... The proposal simply calls for more balancing kicking to take place.

What do you find confusing?

It’s different when it is the community (or a few vocal individuals of the community) saying that they don’t want you at the same school as them.

Can you share a reference to where you are getting this from?

[Anonymous]

From the realtor lobby at Luxmanor -Farmland and a person who will have no children impacted by this (based on the signatory email at the end). Lots of words and outrage, little substance. The recent testimony:

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DREJJ84D5DF9/$file/LCA%20Testimony.pdf

It says they are OK with original B, which had Woodward at 73% utilization and Wheaton at 96% utilization. The VM switch to Woodward ameliorated that and balanced that one ...talk about equity/parity : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oArFYgC_oD8I798hzzyyo3JzwyJPyT4h/view

It also says they are OK with original option F, which had Woodward at 91% utilization and WJ at 78%. Nearly identical to what Taylor proposed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ibX2JMWG2hzFUVO3kBcupsvN4SK45yOB/view

So it really boils down to having about an extra 5% poor kids at Woodward that causes the outrage. And the color of their skin.

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Anonymous wrote:VM parents strongly support Taylor's plan. We want Woodward, not WJ.

No, you support Taylor's plan. And that is fine. But stop pretending that you speak for the entire VM community.

The opinions in the VM parent Whatsapp group are largely unanimous. Are you a current VM parent?

DP

I don't question that what you are saying about sentiment on WhatsApp is true. But I find it mind-boggling that there would be such a strong consensus not to select a school that will almost certainly have better class offering, better teacher and overall better academic reputation. Not to mention that Woodward will be stuck with the art magnet, additionally diverting resources from things that matter.

I’m a VM parents and I agree with this. Granted I’m new (kid will be in K next year). I strongly support going to WJ if we can. Stronger school, barely different distance, less utilization, more reasonable farms rates. Very confused by the backlash here. I don’t feel used at all or a token poor person. I simply want what’s best for my kids

[Anonymous]

With WJ basically losing 1/2 their student population, they will also lose 1/2 the staffing and 1/2 the course offerings. Its not going to be the same school.

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Anonymous wrote:With WJ basically losing 1/2 their student population, they will also lose 1/2 the staffing and 1/2 the course offerings. Its not going to be the same school.

Blah blah blah. This guy says this constantly over the last year. It’ll still be better than fashion design academy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:VM parents strongly support Taylor's plan. We want Woodward, not WJ.

No, you support Taylor's plan. And that is fine. But stop pretending that you speak for the entire VM community.

The opinions in the VM parent Whatsapp group are largely unanimous. Are you a current VM parent?

DP

I don't question that what you are saying about sentiment on WhatsApp is true. But I find it mind-boggling that there would be such a strong consensus not to select a school that will almost certainly have better class offering, better teacher and overall better academic reputation. Not to mention that Woodward will be stuck with the art magnet, additionally diverting resources from things that matter.

I’m a VM parents and I agree with this. Granted I’m new (kid will be in K next year). I strongly support going to WJ if we can. Stronger school, barely different distance, less utilization, more reasonable farms rates. Very confused by the backlash here. I don’t feel used at all or a token poor person. I simply want what’s best for my kids

Then you’re not a VM parent now and likely a Farmland parent. Or if you are you want to be able to afford a better home addition.
I’m a VM parent and we want Woodward for the many reasons above.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With WJ basically losing 1/2 their student population, they will also lose 1/2 the staffing and 1/2 the course offerings. Its not going to be the same school.

Blah blah blah. This guy says this constantly over the last year. It’ll still be better than fashion design academy

What do you think is going to happen?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With WJ basically losing 1/2 their student population, they will also lose 1/2 the staffing and 1/2 the course offerings. Its not going to be the same school.

Blah blah blah. This guy says this constantly over the last year. It’ll still be better than fashion design academy

What do you think is going to happen?

Woodward is a government run start up. Takes a long time for any start up to work out kinks. Now add govt and it’ll be way longer. Mix in the arts piece. It’ll be less desirable than WJ. Really farmland should be pushing for the better magnet and not the neighborhood switches. It’s a super boundary with the regions

[Anonymous]

I hope they push for a better magnet. In parallel to this noise or however they want to do it. That will attract top talent from the region.