BASIS attrition after middle school- why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree, and we'd have taken a spot at Latin Cooper if we'd had the chance. But Latin wait lists lengthen year on year. In 2022, Latin Cooper had around 75 names on its WL at the start of school. In 2023, more than 250 names.

Keep applying every year. I know kids that switched from BASIS to Latin in middle school, as well as kids who went to Latin for high school from BASIS.

Never heard of anyone switching to Latin from Basis.

What years are you talking about? Is this from 10 years ago or something?

Last year, Basis transfers to DC publics only included Walls, Duke, and Coolidge, which is pretty typical. Latin also lost students to Coolidge too.

10 schools sent kids to Latin for 9th grade, including Deal and Hardy. Zero kids came from Basis.

Exactly. These days, there's no room in Latin's HS for BASIS 8th graders. Some try to go but don't get a spot if they don't have a sibling at Latin.

I mean those families would have to be incredibly lucky in the lottery. To get admitted to Basis and Latin in separate years means they got very lucky twice!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree, and we'd have taken a spot at Latin Cooper if we'd had the chance. But Latin wait lists lengthen year on year. In 2022, Latin Cooper had around 75 names on its WL at the start of school. In 2023, more than 250 names.

Keep applying every year. I know kids that switched from BASIS to Latin in middle school, as well as kids who went to Latin for high school from BASIS.

Never heard of anyone switching to Latin from Basis.

What years are you talking about? Is this from 10 years ago or something?

Last year, Basis transfers to DC publics only included Walls, Duke, and Coolidge, which is pretty typical. Latin also lost students to Coolidge too.

10 schools sent kids to Latin for 9th grade, including Deal and Hardy. Zero kids came from Basis.

Exactly. These days, there's no room in Latin's HS for BASIS 8th graders. Some try to go but don't get a spot if they don't have a sibling at Latin.

LOL I don't think that's what PP was trying to say. Kids from 10 diffeeent MSs go to Latin for 9th, but none from BASIS doesn't suggest "BASIS 8th graders try but there's no room for them".
I read it as BASIS 8th graders are not as interested in transferring to Latin as 8th graders from 10 other middle schools are.

[Anonymous]

My BASIS 8th grader is very interested but we're not optimistic that she'll have the chance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree, and we'd have taken a spot at Latin Cooper if we'd had the chance. But Latin wait lists lengthen year on year. In 2022, Latin Cooper had around 75 names on its WL at the start of school. In 2023, more than 250 names.

Keep applying every year. I know kids that switched from BASIS to Latin in middle school, as well as kids who went to Latin for high school from BASIS.

Never heard of anyone switching to Latin from Basis.

What years are you talking about? Is this from 10 years ago or something?

Last year, Basis transfers to DC publics only included Walls, Duke, and Coolidge, which is pretty typical. Latin also lost students to Coolidge too.

10 schools sent kids to Latin for 9th grade, including Deal and Hardy. Zero kids came from Basis.

Exactly. These days, there's no room in Latin's HS for BASIS 8th graders. Some try to go but don't get a spot if they don't have a sibling at Latin.

Repeating incorrect information doesn't make it more correct in time. As PPP explained to you, 10 schools sent kids to Latin for 9th grade, including Deal and Hardy. Zero kids came from Basis. Creative how you ignore the data. If kids were clamoring to leave for Latin the law of averages says at least one would have attended.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree, and we'd have taken a spot at Latin Cooper if we'd had the chance. But Latin wait lists lengthen year on year. In 2022, Latin Cooper had around 75 names on its WL at the start of school. In 2023, more than 250 names.

Keep applying every year. I know kids that switched from BASIS to Latin in middle school, as well as kids who went to Latin for high school from BASIS.

Never heard of anyone switching to Latin from Basis.

What years are you talking about? Is this from 10 years ago or something?

Last year, Basis transfers to DC publics only included Walls, Duke, and Coolidge, which is pretty typical. Latin also lost students to Coolidge too.

10 schools sent kids to Latin for 9th grade, including Deal and Hardy. Zero kids came from Basis.

Exactly. These days, there's no room in Latin's HS for BASIS 8th graders. Some try to go but don't get a spot if they don't have a sibling at Latin.

Apparently, there is room in Latin HS for kids from at least 10 other schools…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree, and we'd have taken a spot at Latin Cooper if we'd had the chance. But Latin wait lists lengthen year on year. In 2022, Latin Cooper had around 75 names on its WL at the start of school. In 2023, more than 250 names.

Keep applying every year. I know kids that switched from BASIS to Latin in middle school, as well as kids who went to Latin for high school from BASIS.

Never heard of anyone switching to Latin from Basis.

What years are you talking about? Is this from 10 years ago or something?

Last year, Basis transfers to DC publics only included Walls, Duke, and Coolidge, which is pretty typical. Latin also lost students to Coolidge too.

10 schools sent kids to Latin for 9th grade, including Deal and Hardy. Zero kids came from Basis.

Exactly. These days, there's no room in Latin's HS for BASIS 8th graders. Some try to go but don't get a spot if they don't have a sibling at Latin.

Repeating incorrect information doesn't make it more correct in time. As PPP explained to you, 10 schools sent kids to Latin for 9th grade, including Deal and Hardy. Zero kids came from Basis. Creative how you ignore the data. If kids were clamoring to leave for Latin the law of averages says at least one would have attended.

True enough.

Latin is a fine school and obviously popular but if kid makes it to 8th grade at BASIS, they will be more advanced in subjects than their peers at Latin. Not sure that they would want to jump to a school where they would have to repeat classes and kids have much lower test scores. Walls? Sure. Latin? Not so much.

Here are the PARCC 4+ results for BASIS and Latin for 9th grade:

BASIS

Math 52.63
ELA 93.42

Latin

Math suppressed [overall math results are 30.47]
ELA 69.56

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree, and we'd have taken a spot at Latin Cooper if we'd had the chance. But Latin wait lists lengthen year on year. In 2022, Latin Cooper had around 75 names on its WL at the start of school. In 2023, more than 250 names.

Keep applying every year. I know kids that switched from BASIS to Latin in middle school, as well as kids who went to Latin for high school from BASIS.

Never heard of anyone switching to Latin from Basis.

What years are you talking about? Is this from 10 years ago or something?

Last year, Basis transfers to DC publics only included Walls, Duke, and Coolidge, which is pretty typical. Latin also lost students to Coolidge too.

10 schools sent kids to Latin for 9th grade, including Deal and Hardy. Zero kids came from Basis.

Exactly. These days, there's no room in Latin's HS for BASIS 8th graders. Some try to go but don't get a spot if they don't have a sibling at Latin.

Apparently, there is room in Latin HS for kids from at least 10 other schools…

As PP said, there are people who leave Latin for Walls, so of course there is room? Not to mention those that leave for private/other high schools.

[Anonymous]

If BASIS attrition decreases and the attendance rate for high school increases with time, the incoming 5th grade class would have to be made smaller to offset the larger number of students in upper grades.

Perhaps if there is a perceived higher demand for spots through high school more serious consideration would be warranted for the building capacity issue.

[Anonymous]

Dream on. The bad building is here to stay and the franchise doesn’t seem to want a significantly bigger DC HS. Also, just not the case that every BASIS middle school student would be bored at Latin. Far from it, humanities instruction is better overall at, at Latin, particularly language instruction. BASIS middle school students who aren’t ready for 7th grade algebra (many) find greener math pastures at Latin along with better facilities and a happier environment. Comparative PARCC scores don’t tell the whole story.

[Anonymous]

Please, Latin doesn't scare away its academic stragglers like BASIS does, but there's no shortage of high-performing students there. In 2023, zero BASIS students went on to Ivies while 2 Latin students made the grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dream on. The bad building is here to stay and the franchise doesn’t seem to want a significantly bigger DC HS. Also, just not the case that every BASIS middle school student would be bored at Latin. Far from it, humanities instruction is better overall at, at Latin, particularly language instruction. BASIS middle school students who aren’t ready for 7th grade algebra (many) find greener math pastures at Latin along with better facilities and a happier environment. Comparative PARCC scores don’t tell the whole story.

But your unsupported statements with zero evidence don’t tell any story at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please, Latin doesn't scare away its academic stragglers like BASIS does, but there's no shortage of high-performing students there. In 2023, zero BASIS students went on to Ivies while 2 Latin students made the grade.

DP. Not the flex you think it is.

How does that disprove the fact that Latin’s test scores are way behind Basis every year?

Also, last year 100% of the Basis class went to college including numerous T20 colleges but some Latin kids didn’t even go to college.

Plenty of schools send a a few kids to top colleges. Those kids would probably have gotten in from other high schools as well. That doesn’t tell you much about the overall quality of the schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dream on. The bad building is here to stay and the franchise doesn’t seem to want a significantly bigger DC HS. Also, just not the case that every BASIS middle school student would be bored at Latin. Far from it, humanities instruction is better overall at, at Latin, particularly language instruction. BASIS middle school students who aren’t ready for 7th grade algebra (many) find greener math pastures at Latin along with better facilities and a happier environment. Comparative PARCC scores don’t tell the whole story.

But your unsupported statements with zero evidence don’t tell any story at all.

Frankly, the comparative length of the 5th grade Latin WL is sufficient evidence for many parents. I'm the rare parent who's had kids in both middle schools. Our family was happier with Latin for its better facilities, leadership, spirit, community, extra curriculars and more experienced and stable teaching force. That said, neither of my children, both high performers, wanted to stay on in their middle school charter for high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Please, Latin doesn't scare away its academic stragglers like BASIS does, but there's no shortage of high-performing students there. In 2023, zero BASIS students went on to Ivies while 2 Latin students made the grade.

DP. Not the flex you think it is.

How does that disprove the fact that Latin’s test scores are way behind Basis every year?

Also, last year 100% of the Basis class went to college including numerous T20 colleges but some Latin kids didn’t even go to college.

Plenty of schools send a a few kids to top colleges. Those kids would probably have gotten in from other high schools as well. That doesn’t tell you much about the overall quality of the schools.

So what? More students from my small-town public high school enlisted in the military than went to college. Nonetheless, my friends and I (more than a few top kids) went to "T20 colleges." All BASIS seems to value is high AP scores when there's far more to life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dream on. The bad building is here to stay and the franchise doesn’t seem to want a significantly bigger DC HS. Also, just not the case that every BASIS middle school student would be bored at Latin. Far from it, humanities instruction is better overall at, at Latin, particularly language instruction. BASIS middle school students who aren’t ready for 7th grade algebra (many) find greener math pastures at Latin along with better facilities and a happier environment. Comparative PARCC scores don’t tell the whole story.

But your unsupported statements with zero evidence don’t tell any story at all.

Frankly, the comparative length of the 5th grade Latin WL is sufficient evidence for many parents. I'm the rare parent who's had kids in both middle schools. Our family was happier with Latin for its better facilities, leadership, spirit, community, extra curriculars and more experienced and stable teaching force. That said, neither of my children, both high performers, wanted to stay on in their middle school charter for high school.

Where did they end up going?