Disappointed with Georgetown

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is a great school and is a place plenty of people have as their top choice, especially in the Midwest. It just isn't a universally recognized top 10 or even 15 type of school (just ask Forbes and the WSJ). All these top schools are elite but some names resonate more with some than others. You don't have to hate on Chicago to also value Georgetown. They are two of the best real city universities. It is interesting that Georgetown has the name recognition Chicago would like (is it like a CUNY?) and Chicago has the $$ Georgetown craves.

Maybe among the general population, this is true, but that’s entirely to do with sports. You realize that, right? Most people know about schools because they see them playing NCAA football or basketball. UChicago opted out of all of that in the 1930s.

Anyone who knows anything about higher ed knows UChicago is a peer school to the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc.

I went to UChicago and Georgetown. While I think Georgetown is top of the line at preparing students for careers in the foreign policy establishment, UChicago provides a more intellectually rigorous education.

My husband works in higher ed and his view is that UChicago as an academic institution is among the top 2-3 in the country.

Until very recently, Georgetown undergrad was much more selective than UChicago and JHU undergrad (statistically, at least). I think the OP's point was that quality in the eyes of 18-year-old applicants doesn't perfectly match the reality of a university's quality. Georgetown is a very good university, but it is not a peer university of UChicago and JHU.

Georgetown students say that GW stands for Georgetown waitlist. How sophisticated. 25 years ago I was waitlisted at my first choice, Georgetown, and admitted to JHU and UChicago. Luckiest thing that ever happened to me.

My HS friends who went to Georgetown sell high end real estate in NYC, work as luxury brand managers, or bundled mortgages before losing their Wall Street jobs. My friends from UChicago write books, publish original research in major scientific journals, and have started 100+ million dollar companies.

Outcome wise, Georgetown does better with 10-year median salary than UChicago. There are outliers everywhere though. You just shouldn't typically make decisions based on them.
https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is a great school and is a place plenty of people have as their top choice, especially in the Midwest. It just isn't a universally recognized top 10 or even 15 type of school (just ask Forbes and the WSJ). All these top schools are elite but some names resonate more with some than others. You don't have to hate on Chicago to also value Georgetown. They are two of the best real city universities. It is interesting that Georgetown has the name recognition Chicago would like (is it like a CUNY?) and Chicago has the $$ Georgetown craves.

Maybe among the general population, this is true, but that’s entirely to do with sports. You realize that, right? Most people know about schools because they see them playing NCAA football or basketball. UChicago opted out of all of that in the 1930s.

Anyone who knows anything about higher ed knows UChicago is a peer school to the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc.

I went to UChicago and Georgetown. While I think Georgetown is top of the line at preparing students for careers in the foreign policy establishment, UChicago provides a more intellectually rigorous education.

My husband works in higher ed and his view is that UChicago as an academic institution is among the top 2-3 in the country.

UChicago is NOT a peer school to Stanford, MIT, HYP. Maybe it can be considered a peer to the lower ivies but definitely does not have the same “prestige”.

To the general population. Not within academia or among anyone who knows about higher ed.

With experience in higher ed and private industry, I think you are confusing Chicago's undergraduate school with it's top few grad programs.It is a great school but isn't in that top group, especially for undergrad.

This is completely false. I spoke directly with Princeton’s Dean of Admissions, who told me UChicago is the school he admires most outside, of course, Princeton.

The Princeton Dean of Admissions must have been joking. The things the UChicago's admissions office has done hasn't made them popular with other AOs. Even the grad school AO I worked in was aware of it.
I'm not shocked Princeton's dean wouldn't mention Harvard, Stanford, or Yale though

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Georgetown gets a major boost because there aren't any great universities in DC. If Johns Hopkins had been founded in DC, not Baltimore, Georgetown would have the same reputation as BC. Put reputation aside, and Georgetown is really on par with BC.

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is a great school and is a place plenty of people have as their top choice, especially in the Midwest. It just isn't a universally recognized top 10 or even 15 type of school (just ask Forbes and the WSJ). All these top schools are elite but some names resonate more with some than others. You don't have to hate on Chicago to also value Georgetown. They are two of the best real city universities. It is interesting that Georgetown has the name recognition Chicago would like (is it like a CUNY?) and Chicago has the $$ Georgetown craves.

Maybe among the general population, this is true, but that’s entirely to do with sports. You realize that, right? Most people know about schools because they see them playing NCAA football or basketball. UChicago opted out of all of that in the 1930s.

Anyone who knows anything about higher ed knows UChicago is a peer school to the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc.

I went to UChicago and Georgetown. While I think Georgetown is top of the line at preparing students for careers in the foreign policy establishment, UChicago provides a more intellectually rigorous education.

My husband works in higher ed and his view is that UChicago as an academic institution is among the top 2-3 in the country.

Until very recently, Georgetown undergrad was much more selective than UChicago and JHU undergrad (statistically, at least). I think the OP's point was that quality in the eyes of 18-year-old applicants doesn't perfectly match the reality of a university's quality. Georgetown is a very good university, but it is not a peer university of UChicago and JHU.

Georgetown students say that GW stands for Georgetown waitlist. How sophisticated. 25 years ago I was waitlisted at my first choice, Georgetown, and admitted to JHU and UChicago. Luckiest thing that ever happened to me.

My HS friends who went to Georgetown sell high end real estate in NYC, work as luxury brand managers, or bundled mortgages before losing their Wall Street jobs. My friends from UChicago write books, publish original research in major scientific journals, and have started 100+ million dollar companies.

Outcome wise, Georgetown does better with 10-year median salary than UChicago. There are outliers everywhere though. You just shouldn't typically make decisions based on them.
https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/

Yeah, because half your graduates work in NYC real estate and advertising.

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is a great school and is a place plenty of people have as their top choice, especially in the Midwest. It just isn't a universally recognized top 10 or even 15 type of school (just ask Forbes and the WSJ). All these top schools are elite but some names resonate more with some than others. You don't have to hate on Chicago to also value Georgetown. They are two of the best real city universities. It is interesting that Georgetown has the name recognition Chicago would like (is it like a CUNY?) and Chicago has the $$ Georgetown craves.

Maybe among the general population, this is true, but that’s entirely to do with sports. You realize that, right? Most people know about schools because they see them playing NCAA football or basketball. UChicago opted out of all of that in the 1930s.

Anyone who knows anything about higher ed knows UChicago is a peer school to the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc.

I went to UChicago and Georgetown. While I think Georgetown is top of the line at preparing students for careers in the foreign policy establishment, UChicago provides a more intellectually rigorous education.

My husband works in higher ed and his view is that UChicago as an academic institution is among the top 2-3 in the country.

Until very recently, Georgetown undergrad was much more selective than UChicago and JHU undergrad (statistically, at least). I think the OP's point was that quality in the eyes of 18-year-old applicants doesn't perfectly match the reality of a university's quality. Georgetown is a very good university, but it is not a peer university of UChicago and JHU.

Georgetown students say that GW stands for Georgetown waitlist. How sophisticated. 25 years ago I was waitlisted at my first choice, Georgetown, and admitted to JHU and UChicago. Luckiest thing that ever happened to me.

My HS friends who went to Georgetown sell high end real estate in NYC, work as luxury brand managers, or bundled mortgages before losing their Wall Street jobs. My friends from UChicago write books, publish original research in major scientific journals, and have started 100+ million dollar companies.

Outcome wise, Georgetown does better with 10-year median salary than UChicago. There are outliers everywhere though. You just shouldn't typically make decisions based on them.
https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/

Yeah, because half your graduates work in NYC real estate and advertising.

I went to Georgetown and don’t know anyone working in NYC real estate and advertising.

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is a great school and is a place plenty of people have as their top choice, especially in the Midwest. It just isn't a universally recognized top 10 or even 15 type of school (just ask Forbes and the WSJ). All these top schools are elite but some names resonate more with some than others. You don't have to hate on Chicago to also value Georgetown. They are two of the best real city universities. It is interesting that Georgetown has the name recognition Chicago would like (is it like a CUNY?) and Chicago has the $$ Georgetown craves.

Maybe among the general population, this is true, but that’s entirely to do with sports. You realize that, right? Most people know about schools because they see them playing NCAA football or basketball. UChicago opted out of all of that in the 1930s.

Anyone who knows anything about higher ed knows UChicago is a peer school to the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc.

I went to UChicago and Georgetown. While I think Georgetown is top of the line at preparing students for careers in the foreign policy establishment, UChicago provides a more intellectually rigorous education.

My husband works in higher ed and his view is that UChicago as an academic institution is among the top 2-3 in the country.

Until very recently, Georgetown undergrad was much more selective than UChicago and JHU undergrad (statistically, at least). I think the OP's point was that quality in the eyes of 18-year-old applicants doesn't perfectly match the reality of a university's quality. Georgetown is a very good university, but it is not a peer university of UChicago and JHU.

Georgetown students say that GW stands for Georgetown waitlist. How sophisticated. 25 years ago I was waitlisted at my first choice, Georgetown, and admitted to JHU and UChicago. Luckiest thing that ever happened to me.

My HS friends who went to Georgetown sell high end real estate in NYC, work as luxury brand managers, or bundled mortgages before losing their Wall Street jobs. My friends from UChicago write books, publish original research in major scientific journals, and have started 100+ million dollar companies.

Outcome wise, Georgetown does better with 10-year median salary than UChicago. There are outliers everywhere though. You just shouldn't typically make decisions based on them.
https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/

Yeah, because half your graduates work in NYC real estate and advertising.

I went to Georgetown and don’t know anyone working in NYC real estate and advertising.

I went to Georgetown too. We're closer to BC than Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is a great school and is a place plenty of people have as their top choice, especially in the Midwest. It just isn't a universally recognized top 10 or even 15 type of school (just ask Forbes and the WSJ). All these top schools are elite but some names resonate more with some than others. You don't have to hate on Chicago to also value Georgetown. They are two of the best real city universities. It is interesting that Georgetown has the name recognition Chicago would like (is it like a CUNY?) and Chicago has the $$ Georgetown craves.

Maybe among the general population, this is true, but that’s entirely to do with sports. You realize that, right? Most people know about schools because they see them playing NCAA football or basketball. UChicago opted out of all of that in the 1930s.

Anyone who knows anything about higher ed knows UChicago is a peer school to the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc.

I went to UChicago and Georgetown. While I think Georgetown is top of the line at preparing students for careers in the foreign policy establishment, UChicago provides a more intellectually rigorous education.

My husband works in higher ed and his view is that UChicago as an academic institution is among the top 2-3 in the country.

Until very recently, Georgetown undergrad was much more selective than UChicago and JHU undergrad (statistically, at least). I think the OP's point was that quality in the eyes of 18-year-old applicants doesn't perfectly match the reality of a university's quality. Georgetown is a very good university, but it is not a peer university of UChicago and JHU.

Georgetown students say that GW stands for Georgetown waitlist. How sophisticated. 25 years ago I was waitlisted at my first choice, Georgetown, and admitted to JHU and UChicago. Luckiest thing that ever happened to me.

My HS friends who went to Georgetown sell high end real estate in NYC, work as luxury brand managers, or bundled mortgages before losing their Wall Street jobs. My friends from UChicago write books, publish original research in major scientific journals, and have started 100+ million dollar companies.

Outcome wise, Georgetown does better with 10-year median salary than UChicago. There are outliers everywhere though. You just shouldn't typically make decisions based on them.
https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/

Yeah, because half your graduates work in NYC real estate and advertising.

"Your?" I didn't go to either of these schools. I probably would have applied to both if I hadn't been admitted early to my top choice
UChicago has been overrated though, mostly just due to USNWR, and Georgetown underrated.
Doesn't Georgetown have a living president as an alum?
I have no problem with people choosing their career paths either. You are judging people you call friends.
Do your UChicago friends also all have many leather-bound books and houses that smell of rich mahogany?

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is a great school and is a place plenty of people have as their top choice, especially in the Midwest. It just isn't a universally recognized top 10 or even 15 type of school (just ask Forbes and the WSJ). All these top schools are elite but some names resonate more with some than others. You don't have to hate on Chicago to also value Georgetown. They are two of the best real city universities. It is interesting that Georgetown has the name recognition Chicago would like (is it like a CUNY?) and Chicago has the $$ Georgetown craves.

Maybe among the general population, this is true, but that’s entirely to do with sports. You realize that, right? Most people know about schools because they see them playing NCAA football or basketball. UChicago opted out of all of that in the 1930s.

Anyone who knows anything about higher ed knows UChicago is a peer school to the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc.

I went to UChicago and Georgetown. While I think Georgetown is top of the line at preparing students for careers in the foreign policy establishment, UChicago provides a more intellectually rigorous education.

My husband works in higher ed and his view is that UChicago as an academic institution is among the top 2-3 in the country.

Until very recently, Georgetown undergrad was much more selective than UChicago and JHU undergrad (statistically, at least). I think the OP's point was that quality in the eyes of 18-year-old applicants doesn't perfectly match the reality of a university's quality. Georgetown is a very good university, but it is not a peer university of UChicago and JHU.

Georgetown students say that GW stands for Georgetown waitlist. How sophisticated. 25 years ago I was waitlisted at my first choice, Georgetown, and admitted to JHU and UChicago. Luckiest thing that ever happened to me.

My HS friends who went to Georgetown sell high end real estate in NYC, work as luxury brand managers, or bundled mortgages before losing their Wall Street jobs. My friends from UChicago write books, publish original research in major scientific journals, and have started 100+ million dollar companies.

Outcome wise, Georgetown does better with 10-year median salary than UChicago. There are outliers everywhere though. You just shouldn't typically make decisions based on them.
https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/

Yeah, because half your graduates work in NYC real estate and advertising.

I went to Georgetown and don’t know anyone working in NYC real estate and advertising.

I went to Georgetown too. We're closer to BC than Harvard.

and so is UChicago!
Sorry, left off the end there

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is a great school and is a place plenty of people have as their top choice, especially in the Midwest. It just isn't a universally recognized top 10 or even 15 type of school (just ask Forbes and the WSJ). All these top schools are elite but some names resonate more with some than others. You don't have to hate on Chicago to also value Georgetown. They are two of the best real city universities. It is interesting that Georgetown has the name recognition Chicago would like (is it like a CUNY?) and Chicago has the $$ Georgetown craves.

Maybe among the general population, this is true, but that’s entirely to do with sports. You realize that, right? Most people know about schools because they see them playing NCAA football or basketball. UChicago opted out of all of that in the 1930s.

Anyone who knows anything about higher ed knows UChicago is a peer school to the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc.

I went to UChicago and Georgetown. While I think Georgetown is top of the line at preparing students for careers in the foreign policy establishment, UChicago provides a more intellectually rigorous education.

My husband works in higher ed and his view is that UChicago as an academic institution is among the top 2-3 in the country.

Until very recently, Georgetown undergrad was much more selective than UChicago and JHU undergrad (statistically, at least). I think the OP's point was that quality in the eyes of 18-year-old applicants doesn't perfectly match the reality of a university's quality. Georgetown is a very good university, but it is not a peer university of UChicago and JHU.

Georgetown students say that GW stands for Georgetown waitlist. How sophisticated. 25 years ago I was waitlisted at my first choice, Georgetown, and admitted to JHU and UChicago. Luckiest thing that ever happened to me.

My HS friends who went to Georgetown sell high end real estate in NYC, work as luxury brand managers, or bundled mortgages before losing their Wall Street jobs. My friends from UChicago write books, publish original research in major scientific journals, and have started 100+ million dollar companies.

Outcome wise, Georgetown does better with 10-year median salary than UChicago. There are outliers everywhere though. You just shouldn't typically make decisions based on them.
https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/

Yeah, because half your graduates work in NYC real estate and advertising.

I went to Georgetown and don’t know anyone working in NYC real estate and advertising.

I went to Georgetown too. We're closer to BC than Harvard.

Georgetown and UChicago are closer to each other than either is to Harvard or BC!

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Anonymous wrote:I really loved Georgetown back in my day - I ended up at Princeton, but it was for sure my number 2. Just saying no sour grapes here, got in and liked it.

Toured recently with DC. Then did a GW tour after - we were both more impressed with GW than Georgetown. It's funny to me that someone said ND was about a "storied sports program" bcs that was what Georgetown was in my day. I think not having that any more is a loss - even for me, who cares nothing about sports.

We also went to Penn on that trip and realized very quickly the schools with a 15% acceptance rate are not in the same universe as the schools with the 5% acceptance rate.

Again, your son has not been accepted at Georgetown, so your opinion is meaningless.

DP. That’s ridiculous. It doesn’t matter. No one knows whether OP’s son would have been offered admission, but the point stands: highly qualified students, the likes of whom *are* frequently admitted to Georgetown, are turned off by the school and not even bothering to apply. My highly qualified DC had exactly the same reaction. FWIW, I have had multiple family members attend Georgetown, so I have always had a favorable opinion of the school, but I agree with OP. Georgetown is resting on its laurels. Geography keeps the SFS relevant, but that is increasingly all that Georgeotown is known for.

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Anonymous wrote:Assuming those who are commenting against the OP are all Georgetown boosters, I am appalled at how relentless and desperate these people are to have to keep coming back to this thread. Is this the typical GU alum/parent? Scary.

Welcome to GU! We defend our own.

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I always wondered where Bill Clinton got his boundless self-satisfaction. Mystery solved.

Yep. Georgetown alumni seem to want to give Duke alumni a run for the title of “douchiest alumni.”

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago is a great school and is a place plenty of people have as their top choice, especially in the Midwest. It just isn't a universally recognized top 10 or even 15 type of school (just ask Forbes and the WSJ). All these top schools are elite but some names resonate more with some than others. You don't have to hate on Chicago to also value Georgetown. They are two of the best real city universities. It is interesting that Georgetown has the name recognition Chicago would like (is it like a CUNY?) and Chicago has the $$ Georgetown craves.

Maybe among the general population, this is true, but that’s entirely to do with sports. You realize that, right? Most people know about schools because they see them playing NCAA football or basketball. UChicago opted out of all of that in the 1930s.

Anyone who knows anything about higher ed knows UChicago is a peer school to the Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc.

I went to UChicago and Georgetown. While I think Georgetown is top of the line at preparing students for careers in the foreign policy establishment, UChicago provides a more intellectually rigorous education.

My husband works in higher ed and his view is that UChicago as an academic institution is among the top 2-3 in the country.

Until very recently, Georgetown undergrad was much more selective than UChicago and JHU undergrad (statistically, at least). I think the OP's point was that quality in the eyes of 18-year-old applicants doesn't perfectly match the reality of a university's quality. Georgetown is a very good university, but it is not a peer university of UChicago and JHU.

This post nails it. Georgetown has a fine location, a unique foreign service school, & a classy name. All of that adds up to it being an attractive option for some students. They don’t add up to it being a an academic powerhouse.

It HAD a big-time basketball program, which is the only reason it’s more widely known among ordinary people than Hopkins, Chicago, or maybe even Tufts.

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This thread is pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown gets a major boost because there aren't any great universities in DC. If Johns Hopkins had been founded in DC, not Baltimore, Georgetown would have the same reputation as BC. Put reputation aside, and Georgetown is really on par with BC.

No, BC is a tier below Georgetown.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is pathetic.

+1

OP sour grapes is at it again. Same schools, same frequency, so predictable.