How did Herndon/Westfield HS go from top to bottom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP.
But it looks likely the proximity standard would yield the following

Hutchison :
South Herndon/Clearview ES
McNair
Coates
Hutchison
~550 per class size ~ 65 percent FARMS

South Lakes :
Stays the same but gains West Floris
~650 kids per class size ~ 30 percent FARMS

Herndon :
Aldrin
Armstrong
Dranesville
North Clearview/Herndon
Great Falls
Forestville
~550 kids per class size ~20 percent FARMS

Do note however that class sizes reflect entering cohorts. There will be some level of attrition as kids dropout especially FARM kids.

In addition if the additional housing projects in Reston do come to fruition it is likely that South Lakes will give up Dogwood to Hutchison/Herndon in due time.

Westfield will in turn probably take in Brookfield from Chantilly and Bull Run from Centreville. Then McLean and Marshall will give up western lands to Langley relinquished by the removal of Great Falls/Forestville. taking into account the Madison/Oakton additions, and with that the Western high school overcrowding situation is solved!!!!

For those complaining that Oak Hill kids are scared of FARM kids the resulting boundaries still have a good chunk of FARM kids in them each.

Well, that’s pretty much BS.

There’s an Oak Hill parent who desperately wants to avoid a higher FARMS school than Chantilly; there’s a big difference between a 17% FARMS Chantilly and a Western/Hutchison HS that would be at least 30% FARMS; and you’re hypothesizing a scenario that would move Chantilly’s highest FARMS feeder (Brookfield) to Westfield. That’s Kathy Smith-level chicanery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP.
But it looks likely the proximity standard would yield the following

Hutchison :
South Herndon/Clearview ES
McNair
Coates
Hutchison
~550 per class size ~ 65 percent FARMS

South Lakes :
Stays the same but gains West Floris
~650 kids per class size ~ 30 percent FARMS

Herndon :
Aldrin
Armstrong
Dranesville
North Clearview/Herndon
Great Falls
Forestville
~550 kids per class size ~20 percent FARMS

Do note however that class sizes reflect entering cohorts. There will be some level of attrition as kids dropout especially FARM kids.

In addition if the additional housing projects in Reston do come to fruition it is likely that South Lakes will give up Dogwood to Hutchison/Herndon in due time.

Westfield will in turn probably take in Brookfield from Chantilly and Bull Run from Centreville. Then McLean and Marshall will give up western lands to Langley relinquished by the removal of Great Falls/Forestville. taking into account the Madison/Oakton additions, and with that the Western high school overcrowding situation is solved!!!!

For those complaining that Oak Hill kids are scared of FARM kids the resulting boundaries still have a good chunk of FARM kids in them each.

Well, that’s pretty much BS.

There’s an Oak Hill parent who desperately wants to avoid a higher FARMS school than Chantilly; there’s a big difference between a 17% FARMS Chantilly and a Western/Hutchison HS that would be at least 30% FARMS; and you’re hypothesizing a scenario that would move Chantilly’s highest FARMS feeder (Brookfield) to Westfield. That’s Kathy Smith-level chicanery.

Indeed I’m from Oak Hill, but more specifically I’m West Floris zoned for Westfield so my FARMS percentage stays the same at South Lakes now under such a plan. Still a pretty high 30 percent. So your accusation is invalid. Chantilly parents concerned with FARMS are simply fortunate that the closest school to Westfield from Chantilly so happens to be high poverty Brookfield. Take a look at the boundary map yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: The shills for advocating disparate communities be bused into Hutchison HS are probably lower middle-class Asian Coates/McNair parents who see the writing on the wall given Hutchison's immediate surrounding neighborhoods and want to bus in Oak Hill/Floris/Fox Mill to desperately improve their future school's ranking. I say this as an Asian myself. They have the most to gain by proposing this and the most to lose if the proximity standard is utilized as it should be.

OMG - let's not make kids from "disparate communities" attend the same schools! They might end up in the same classrooms, eat lunch together, or even date!

I don't care for the above. My concern is that if the need for "balancing" schools keeps moving in the direction it is going we will have kids from Mount Vernon bused to Langley and Langley to Lewis. Where does it end? The ends of simply diversification do not warrant such cost on resources. Outside of really Madison/Oakton/Woodson/Mclean/ Langley, all FCPS kids go to pretty diverse high schools as is, and even if Hutchinson HS goes through there are still a lot of FRM kids at South Lakes the Flors/Fox Mill kids will be hanging around, and the same for the Oak Hill kids at Chantilly with and as of currently. But nice try suggesting differently.

AGAIN no one but YOU are suggesting bussing situations like this.

+1. That poster spins ever more implausible “concerns” every time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP.
But it looks likely the proximity standard would yield the following

Hutchison :
South Herndon/Clearview ES
McNair
Coates
Hutchison
~550 per class size ~ 65 percent FARMS

South Lakes :
Stays the same but gains West Floris
~650 kids per class size ~ 30 percent FARMS

Herndon :
Aldrin
Armstrong
Dranesville
North Clearview/Herndon
Great Falls
Forestville
~550 kids per class size ~20 percent FARMS

Do note however that class sizes reflect entering cohorts. There will be some level of attrition as kids dropout especially FARM kids.

In addition if the additional housing projects in Reston do come to fruition it is likely that South Lakes will give up Dogwood to Hutchison/Herndon in due time.

Westfield will in turn probably take in Brookfield from Chantilly and Bull Run from Centreville. Then McLean and Marshall will give up western lands to Langley relinquished by the removal of Great Falls/Forestville. taking into account the Madison/Oakton additions, and with that the Western high school overcrowding situation is solved!!!!

For those complaining that Oak Hill kids are scared of FARM kids the resulting boundaries still have a good chunk of FARM kids in them each.

. This scenario assumes that the parents in GF would actually send their children to Herndon.

It’s much more likely that the FARMs rate would e higher at Herndon because many zoned Great Falls children simply wouldn’t attend.

[Anonymous]

For the record, please keep in mind the political aspect of such proposals, as this website probably skews somewhere 80 percent or more Democrat and with the website owner being a pretty big liberal hack. There are a significant chunk of conservatives/independents/self-interested democrats that will only support redistricting proposals if their individual school is strengthened, and it then becomes a numbers game. McLean/Chantilly/Centreville/South Lakes and to a far greater extent Herndon will vouch fervently on such grounds for a proximity formula that would not only relieve overcapacity but strengthen their schools. Those opposed would only include 1). a few disgruntled Great Falls/Forestville having to go from 5 percent FARMS Langley to 20 percent FARMS Herndon
2). Westfield's new base schools namely Cub Run, Deer Park, London Towne, Virginia Run, Bull Run, Brookfield 3). All those put in Hutchison HS

The ratio of supporters to dissenters would probably be somewhere around 3:1 and further aided in the fact that many that fall into category 3 are Hispanic noncitizen immigrants and thus ineligible to vote and get their voices heard, and those that are indeed citizens having low voter turnout and/or straight ticket voting democrats.

That is how I at least as a political moderate would sell this if I got put on the School Board.

[Anonymous]

Or dems could lose dranesville and all at large seats as enough pissed off voters have yet another grievance with the school board.

Or they go though with it and pretend to be shocked when the new Herndon boundaries include great falls but yield few great falls students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP.
But it looks likely the proximity standard would yield the following

Hutchison :
South Herndon/Clearview ES
McNair
Coates
Hutchison
~550 per class size ~ 65 percent FARMS

South Lakes :
Stays the same but gains West Floris
~650 kids per class size ~ 30 percent FARMS

Herndon :
Aldrin
Armstrong
Dranesville
North Clearview/Herndon
Great Falls
Forestville
~550 kids per class size ~20 percent FARMS

Do note however that class sizes reflect entering cohorts. There will be some level of attrition as kids dropout especially FARM kids.

In addition if the additional housing projects in Reston do come to fruition it is likely that South Lakes will give up Dogwood to Hutchison/Herndon in due time.

Westfield will in turn probably take in Brookfield from Chantilly and Bull Run from Centreville. Then McLean and Marshall will give up western lands to Langley relinquished by the removal of Great Falls/Forestville. taking into account the Madison/Oakton additions, and with that the Western high school overcrowding situation is solved!!!!

For those complaining that Oak Hill kids are scared of FARM kids the resulting boundaries still have a good chunk of FARM kids in them each.

. This scenario assumes that the parents in GF would actually send their children to Herndon.

It’s much more likely that the FARMs rate would e higher at Herndon because many zoned Great Falls children simply wouldn’t attend.

True but to what extent? A lot of Great Falls residents are stretching their bucks thin on housing to ensure their kids go to Langley, will they truly shell out their leftover savings after boundary change? There is a big difference when those parents complain with Herndon HS of ~45 percent FARMS as of current vs ~20 percent after the proximity formula. From a standpoint of getting the Great Falls parents out of Langley this is far better than those advocating a "parity" model.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the record, please keep in mind the political aspect of such proposals, as this website probably skews somewhere 80 percent or more Democrat and with the website owner being a pretty big liberal hack. There are a significant chunk of conservatives/independents/self-interested democrats that will only support redistricting proposals if their individual school is strengthened, and it then becomes a numbers game. McLean/Chantilly/Centreville/South Lakes and to a far greater extent Herndon will vouch fervently on such grounds for a proximity formula that would not only relieve overcapacity but strengthen their schools. Those opposed would only include 1). a few disgruntled Great Falls/Forestville having to go from 5 percent FARMS Langley to 20 percent FARMS Herndon
2). Westfield's new base schools namely Cub Run, Deer Park, London Towne, Virginia Run, Bull Run, Brookfield 3). All those put in Hutchison HS

The ratio of supporters to dissenters would probably be somewhere around 3:1 and further aided in the fact that many that fall into category 3 are Hispanic noncitizen immigrants and thus ineligible to vote and get their voices heard, and those that are indeed citizens having low voter turnout and/or straight ticket voting democrats.

That is how I at least as a political moderate would sell this if I got put on the School Board.

Remind me not to hire you as a political or educational strategist.

You’ve trotted out many tortured arguments and none seem very compelling or sophisticated, much less humane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or dems could lose dranesville and all at large seats as enough pissed off voters have yet another grievance with the school board.

Or they go though with it and pretend to be shocked when the new Herndon boundaries include great falls but yield few great falls students.

Why would the MEDIAN voter be pissed? Not everyone is such an advocate for equity and fairness, in a way we are all selfish beings the median voter will only look after their own interest when the election comes by.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP.
But it looks likely the proximity standard would yield the following

Hutchison :
South Herndon/Clearview ES
McNair
Coates
Hutchison
~550 per class size ~ 65 percent FARMS

South Lakes :
Stays the same but gains West Floris
~650 kids per class size ~ 30 percent FARMS

Herndon :
Aldrin
Armstrong
Dranesville
North Clearview/Herndon
Great Falls
Forestville
~550 kids per class size ~20 percent FARMS

Do note however that class sizes reflect entering cohorts. There will be some level of attrition as kids dropout especially FARM kids.

In addition if the additional housing projects in Reston do come to fruition it is likely that South Lakes will give up Dogwood to Hutchison/Herndon in due time.

Westfield will in turn probably take in Brookfield from Chantilly and Bull Run from Centreville. Then McLean and Marshall will give up western lands to Langley relinquished by the removal of Great Falls/Forestville. taking into account the Madison/Oakton additions, and with that the Western high school overcrowding situation is solved!!!!

For those complaining that Oak Hill kids are scared of FARM kids the resulting boundaries still have a good chunk of FARM kids in them each.

. This scenario assumes that the parents in GF would actually send their children to Herndon.

It’s much more likely that the FARMs rate would e higher at Herndon because many zoned Great Falls children simply wouldn’t attend.

True but to what extent? A lot of Great Falls residents are stretching their bucks thin on housing to ensure their kids go to Langley, will they truly shell out their leftover savings after boundary change? There is a big difference when those parents complain with Herndon HS of ~45 percent FARMS as of current vs ~20 percent after the proximity formula. From a standpoint of getting the Great Falls parents out of Langley this is far better than those advocating a "parity" model.

By the time a new high school is planned and built and the kids currently zoned for Langley are grandfathered and allowed to finish, we are looking at 5+ years. People have time to plan and new buyers will factor school zoning into their plans

This doesn’t mean the school board shouldn’t build at Hutchison and rezone part of great falls there. The fact is that they don’t control what parents do. Many Great Falls residents who send their kids to Langley can pay for private.

[Anonymous]

The Hispanics decided themselves to move in and convert large areas of Hutchison and Herndon in general to 75% or greater Hispanic, enough to fit an entire high school. Clearly contrary to the privileged posters here, the Hispanics do not seem to care strongly how diverse their school is and could in fact be said to prefer a homogenous community of each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Hispanics decided themselves to move in and convert large areas of Hutchison and Herndon in general to 75% or greater Hispanic, enough to fit an entire high school. Clearly contrary to the privileged posters here, the Hispanics do not seem to care strongly how diverse their school is and could in fact be said to prefer a homogenous community of each other.

Meh. Initially settling where people you know or acquainted with is the story of chain migration for centuries. Our latest newcomers are no different than those who came before. In a generation or two they will disperse and integrate more. This is the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Hispanics decided themselves to move in and convert large areas of Hutchison and Herndon in general to 75% or greater Hispanic, enough to fit an entire high school. Clearly contrary to the privileged posters here, the Hispanics do not seem to care strongly how diverse their school is and could in fact be said to prefer a homogenous community of each other.

Yeah, out of all the great real estate possibilities available, they definitely preferred to live in apartments in Herndon instead of buying a home in Vienna or Clifton

Now, of course I'm not implying that anyone deserves to be able to buy a home wherever they want, but poverty and socioeconomics shouldn't be trivialized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Hispanics decided themselves to move in and convert large areas of Hutchison and Herndon in general to 75% or greater Hispanic, enough to fit an entire high school. Clearly contrary to the privileged posters here, the Hispanics do not seem to care strongly how diverse their school is and could in fact be said to prefer a homogenous community of each other.

Meh. Initially settling where people you know or acquainted with is the story of chain migration for centuries. Our latest newcomers are no different than those who came before. In a generation or two they will disperse and integrate more. This is the way.

That was the way when we had a “melting pot” or even “salad” concept of differing ethnic origins. People were expected to integrate while retaining some of the flavor of their country/culture of origin (continuing my culinary analogies lol)

The current mainstream cultural ideology is that every group should retain 100% of where they originated and fight for place and power in the white western cis hetero capitalist patriarchal society that is founded on slavery oppression and violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Hispanics decided themselves to move in and convert large areas of Hutchison and Herndon in general to 75% or greater Hispanic, enough to fit an entire high school. Clearly contrary to the privileged posters here, the Hispanics do not seem to care strongly how diverse their school is and could in fact be said to prefer a homogenous community of each other.

Meh. Initially settling where people you know or acquainted with is the story of chain migration for centuries. Our latest newcomers are no different than those who came before. In a generation or two they will disperse and integrate more. This is the way.

That was the way when we had a “melting pot” or even “salad” concept of differing ethnic origins. People were expected to integrate while retaining some of the flavor of their country/culture of origin (continuing my culinary analogies lol)

The current mainstream cultural ideology is that every group should retain 100% of where they originated and fight for place and power in the white western cis hetero capitalist patriarchal society that is founded on slavery oppression and violence.

Even if one were to believe that is the case, the proponents of that ideology won't support the opening of a new high school that draws only from low-income, majority Hispanic feeders.

They would want a school with socio-economic balance where the White and Asian kids could be reminded regularly of their privilege, rather than ensconced in their bubbles of affluence.

So you might want to dust off the "melting pot" and "salad" analogies, which may serve you better in the long run.