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Gaza War, Part 3
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Anonymous
And yet, Netanyahu invoked it to justify actions in Gaza. That they should be treated like Amalek. Not a campaign notorious for its soaring of civilians or even children. |
Anonymous
Do You Think Hamas Would Listen To Protesters? |
Anonymous
UN didn’t promise israel the West Bank, or Gaza. |
Anonymous
Israel: U.N. is corrupt and we will never abide by their actions. Except that one time. We're really cool with that, actually. But everything else. No way. |
Anonymous
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The moralest army in the world.
https://www.972mag.com/israel-torture-camp-gaza-detainees/ In early December, images circulated worldwide showing dozens of Palestinian men in the city of Beit Lahiya, in the northern Gaza Strip, who were stripped to their underwear, kneeling or sitting hunched over, then blindfolded and put into the back of Israeli military trucks like cattle. The vast majority of these detainees were civilians with no affiliation to Hamas, Israeli security officials later confirmed, and the men were taken away by the army without notifying their families of the detainees’ whereabouts. Some of them never returned. +972 Magazine and Local Call spoke with four Palestinian civilians who appeared in these photos, or were arrested near the scene and taken to Israeli military detention centers, where they were held for several days or even weeks before being released back to Gaza. Their testimonies — along with 49 video testimonies published by various Arabic media outlets of Palestinians arrested in similar circumstances in recent weeks in the northern districts of Zeitoun, Jabalia, and Shuja’iya — indicate systematic abuse and torture by Israeli soldiers against all of the detainees, civilians and combatants alike. According to these testimonies, Israeli soldiers subjected Palestinian detainees to electric shocks, burned their skin with lighters, spat in their mouths, and deprived them of sleep, food, and access to bathrooms until they defecated on themselves. Many were tied to a fence for hours, handcuffed, and blindfolded for most of the day. Some testified to having been beaten all over their bodies and having cigarettes extinguished on their necks or backs. Several people are known to have died as a result of being held in these conditions. ... According to the testimonies, the Palestinian detainees from Beit Lahiya were loaded onto trucks and taken to a beach. They were left bound there for hours, and another photograph of them was taken and circulated on social media. Lubad recounted how one of the female Israeli soldiers asked several detainees to dance and then filmed them. The detainees, still in their underwear, were then taken to another beach inside Israel, near the Zikim army base, where, according to their testimonies, soldiers interrogated them and severely beat them. According to media reports, members of IDF Unit 504, a military intelligence corps, carried out these initial interrogations. Maher recounted his experience to +972 and Local Call: “A soldier asked me, ‘What’s your name?’ and started punching me in the stomach and kicking me. He said, ‘You’ve been in Hamas for two years, tell me how they recruited you.’ I told him I was a student. Two soldiers opened my legs and punched me there and punched me in the face. I started coughing and realized that I wasn’t breathing. I told them, ‘I’m a civilian, I’m a civilian.’ “I remember reaching my hand down my body and feeling something heavy,” Maher continued. “I didn’t realize it was my leg. I stopped feeling my body. I told the soldier that it hurt, and he stopped and asked where; I told him in the stomach, and then he hit me hard in the stomach. They told me to get up. I couldn’t feel my legs and couldn’t walk. Every time I fell, they beat me again. My mouth and nose were bleeding, and I fainted.” .. Inside the military base, the Palestinians were held in clusters of around 100. According to the testimonies, they were handcuffed and blindfolded the whole time, and permitted to rest only between midnight and 5 a.m. One of the detainees in each cluster, whom the soldiers chose because he knew Hebrew and was given the title “Shawish” (a slang term for a servant or subordinate), was the only one without a blindfold. The former detainees explained that the soldiers guarding them had green laser flashlights that they used to mark anyone who moved, changed position because of pain, or made a sound. The Shawish brought these detainees to soldiers standing on the other side of the barbed wire fence surrounding the facility, where they were punished. According to testimonies, the most common punishment was being tied to a fence and having to raise their arms for several hours. Whoever lowered them was taken away by the soldiers and beaten. The Israeli army confirmed to +972 and Local Call that detainees from Gaza died at the facility. “There are known cases of deaths of detainees held in the detention facility,” the IDF Spokesperson said. In video testimonies, Palestinians who were released back to Gaza describe cases in which soldiers put out cigarettes on detainees’ bodies and even gave them electric shocks. “I was detained for 18 days,” a young man told Al Jazeera. “[The soldier] sees you falling asleep, takes a lighter, and burns your back. They put out cigarettes on my back a few times. One of the guys [who was blindfolded] said to [the soldier], ‘I want to drink water,’ and the soldier told him to open his mouth and then spat in it.” Lubad was taken to Jerusalem for interrogation three days later. “The interrogator punched me in the face, and in the end they took me outside and blindfolded me,” he said. “I tried to take the blindfold off, because it hurt, and a soldier kneed me in the forehead, so I left it. “Half an hour later, they brought another detainee, a university professor,” Lubad continued. “Apparently, he didn’t cooperate with them during the interrogation. They beat him really brutally next to me. They told him, ‘You’re defending Hamas, you’re not answering questions. Get down on your knees, raise your hands.’ I felt two people coming toward me. I thought it was my turn to be beaten and cramped my body to prepare. Someone whispered in my ear: ‘Say dog.’ I said I didn’t understand. He said to me, ‘Say, the day will come for every dog,’” implying death or punishment. Lubad was then released back to the detention cell. According to him, conditions in Jerusalem were better than in the facility in the south. For the first time, he was not handcuffed or blindfolded. “I was in so much pain and so tired that I fell asleep, and that was it,” he said. On Dec. 14, a week after he was taken from his home in Beit Lahiya, leaving behind his wife and three children, Lubad was put on a bus back to the Kerem Shalom Crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. He counted 14 buses, and hundreds of detainees. He and another witness told +972 and Local Call that soldiers told them to run and said that “whoever looks back, we’ll shoot him.” |
Anonymous
I think if they would just remain really cool with Resolution 181 they would have fewer global detractors. It’s when they start invading lands that Resolution 181 specifically says aren’t theirs that people keep raising their eyebrows. |
Anonymous
The same 181 that GAVE nearly 60% of the land to non-indigenous immigrants who comprised less than 1/3 the population in the region at the time? Yes, that seems like a swell deal in hindsight, Shlomo. I don't have an explanation for why the native population didn't swoon over that level of generosity. |
Anonymous
Irredeemable animals. Honestly, I don't care to hear another word about the holocaust, 10/7, or students cowering in libraries while any of these atrocities are being defended by anyone. |
Anonymous
Yes, that one. That was an excellent, excellent deal for Israel. It’s the 2023 version of the state where they’re trying to occupy the land that 181 specifically reserves for not Israel which generates so much distaste for Israel globally. |
Anonymous
We all know why Hamas chooses to terrorize the Israelis and not the UN who is actually responsible for the current borders. |
Anonymous
The current borders— even the 67 borders— are not the UN borders. |
Anonymous
But Khhamaaaaas |
Anonymous
It doesn’t matter. From the River to the Sea right? Any Israeli state will be attacked by Islamic Jihadists no matter the borders. |
Anonymous
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More from Times of Israel at this time: “Israeli forces found cages in the Gaza Strip that may have been used by Hamas to hold hostages kidnapped during the terror group’s October 7 onslaught, the Kan public broadcaster reports.
The television report cited unspecified intelligence findings indicating the cages were likely used to imprison hostages and move them to different locations, and may have also been used by Hamas to hold Palestinian prisoners.“ |
Anonymous
Yes. That's the problem. There is no solution that accommodates the existance of Israel, no matter what the borders are. 25 percent of Israel is Arab. There are lots of liberals, including most that were massacred on 10/7 - kibitzers and young people at a music festival. Hamas and Islamic Jihad will always be genocidal. That's the problem. It was a poor choice electing Hamas in 2005. And it was a very bad choice to invade Israel. Don't see a way out until the 30,000-40,000 Hamas militants are destroyed and Palestininns make better choices. And I see neither of those things happening. Gaza is wrecked. Stupid choices. Real consequences. |