Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone who isn’t a Jew, a Christian fundamentalist, or an American politician who has been bought by Israel not despise Israel now? Their politicians and soldiers are just total shits, and so are a substantial percentage of the civilians. The people there who want peace and equality seem to be overwhelmed by the obnoxious, entitled creeps who have no problem stealing other people’s land, bombing them into oblivion, and then laughing about it. It seems inevitable that the day will come when they’ll pay a heavy price for their actions.

Anyone who's not a convinced anti-semite has a more nuanced perspective than that.

Ergo...

DP say the person who just cheered on the killing on 23,000 people.

And how many non combatant civilians globally have been blown up by militant jihadists?

THAT’S your argument?

Israel should be held to jihadist standards? And, in fact, because the kill rate of Palestinian non-combatant civilians to Israeli non-combatant civilians over the past 76 years is perhaps 15:1, it follows that Israel is not only no better than jihadists, but actually at least 15x worse?

#hasbarafail

All nations are responsible for the safety of their citizens. Israel failed on 10/7. Of course terrorists will continue to murder Israeli civilians, they are quite literally commanded by God to do so. Unfortunately Hamas chooses to co mingle their combatants with civilians so civilians deaths are relatively high.

Israel and Zionist supporters of Israel’s actions are guilty of the exact same “commanded by God” murderous intent, though, right?

The unequivocal aim of Zionism is to entitle a group of mostly non-indigenous immigrants to act upon the supposed fairytale promise of land in a region with existing indigenous people, for the purpose of physically displacing them (or if they won’t leave voluntarily, killing them), in furtherance of establishing and sustaining a Jewish homeland.

What’s the difference, professor?

No. Every state regardless of religion has a responsibility to protect its civilians and territory. This is not unique to Zionism.

Nor to Palestine.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

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It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

To be fair there are no Talmudists blowing up people globally.

Let's not forget the Haganah, the Irgun, or the Stern Gang. In 1945, Zionist terrorists in Palestine targeted oil refineries, colonial railways, and police boats. They also blew up the King David Hotel and perpetrated several massacres of Palestinian living in their villages, including at Balad al-Sheikh, Saasaa, Deir Yassin, Saliha, and Lydda. Survivors of Deir Yassin described Zionist terrorists raping women, cutting fetuses out of pregnant women, and executing scores of people.

Israel was built on terrorism. What it is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is state-sponsored terrorism.

The fact that this event is from 1945 is revealing. Could you share a similar write up of the 5000+ Islamic terror attacks that have occurred since then? Thanks chief.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

To be fair there are no Talmudists blowing up people globally.

Let's not forget the Haganah, the Irgun, or the Stern Gang. In 1945, Zionist terrorists in Palestine targeted oil refineries, colonial railways, and police boats. They also blew up the King David Hotel and perpetrated several massacres of Palestinian living in their villages, including at Balad al-Sheikh, Saasaa, Deir Yassin, Saliha, and Lydda. Survivors of Deir Yassin described Zionist terrorists raping women, cutting fetuses out of pregnant women, and executing scores of people.

Israel was built on terrorism. What it is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is state-sponsored terrorism.

The fact that this event is from 1945 is revealing. Could you share a similar write up of the 5000+ Islamic terror attacks that have occurred since then? Thanks chief.

Please cite the source of the 5,000+ attacks claim, and then explain why the past 20 years is a relevant range. Surely you're not arguing that genocidal grievances have an expiration date, right? By way of example, if someone murdered your family, everyone in your neighborhood, and everyone you know, and then set up shop in your house 21 years ago, I'm thinking you wouldn't be arguing that you have a case for trying to finally hold them accountable today - right?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone who isn’t a Jew, a Christian fundamentalist, or an American politician who has been bought by Israel not despise Israel now? Their politicians and soldiers are just total shits, and so are a substantial percentage of the civilians. The people there who want peace and equality seem to be overwhelmed by the obnoxious, entitled creeps who have no problem stealing other people’s land, bombing them into oblivion, and then laughing about it. It seems inevitable that the day will come when they’ll pay a heavy price for their actions.

Anyone who's not a convinced anti-semite has a more nuanced perspective than that.

Ergo...

You will never convince anyone outside your obnoxious echo chamber that criticism of (or even abject hatred of) Israel is anti-semitism.

Most Israelis (and nearly 100% of its ruling class) are not even semitic, and Israel need not have support or even exist for there to be a place in the world for those identifying as Jews.

Keep pissing in the wind, though, because it’s amusing to watch someone thinking they can pull this con over if they just keep repeating the lie over and over again.

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It is indeed, as you say, a "con." It is an acknowledged trick to deflect criticism of Israel and to allow it to do whatever it wants to Palestinians, including ethnically cleansing them. At one time, people shrank from speaking up for African American slaves for fear of being called a "n-word lover." Then they shrank from speaking up for LGBTQ+ people for fear of being accused of being gay themselves. Now, some people still hesitate to call out Israel for its racist behavior for fear of being called "antisemitic." The first two slurs eventually succumbed to progress, and the third is similarly losing its bite.

We need to remember the words of Martin Niemoller and add another line:

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Palestinians, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Palestinian.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Israel's Minister of Heritage stated, "Israel should find ways more painful than death for the Palestinians." This, along with other genocidal statements made by Ben-Gvir and Smotrich, illustrates how strongly we need to "speak out" for Palestinians. We cannot be intimidated by faux outrage about so-called "antisemitism" except in as far as the term applies to the Palestinians (also Semites) in the region.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

To be fair there are no Talmudists blowing up people globally.

Let's not forget the Haganah, the Irgun, or the Stern Gang. In 1945, Zionist terrorists in Palestine targeted oil refineries, colonial railways, and police boats. They also blew up the King David Hotel and perpetrated several massacres of Palestinian living in their villages, including at Balad al-Sheikh, Saasaa, Deir Yassin, Saliha, and Lydda. Survivors of Deir Yassin described Zionist terrorists raping women, cutting fetuses out of pregnant women, and executing scores of people.

Israel was built on terrorism. What it is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is state-sponsored terrorism.

The fact that this event is from 1945 is revealing. Could you share a similar write up of the 5000+ Islamic terror attacks that have occurred since then? Thanks chief.

Zionist terrorism continues to this day in Gaza and the West Bank. Why do you think Zionist terrorist groups were subsumed into more palatable organizations? Because they got what they wanted. Palestinians have not got what they want, even though their claim to the land is stronger. Hamas and groups like it will stop practicing terrorism once they get what they want. The same was true of the IRA in Ireland and the ANC in South Africa. Does this make terrorism right? Of course not. But terrorism worked quite well for Zionists, so other terrorist groups have that model as a blueprint.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

To be fair there are no Talmudists blowing up people globally.

Let's not forget the Haganah, the Irgun, or the Stern Gang. In 1945, Zionist terrorists in Palestine targeted oil refineries, colonial railways, and police boats. They also blew up the King David Hotel and perpetrated several massacres of Palestinian living in their villages, including at Balad al-Sheikh, Saasaa, Deir Yassin, Saliha, and Lydda. Survivors of Deir Yassin described Zionist terrorists raping women, cutting fetuses out of pregnant women, and executing scores of people.

Israel was built on terrorism. What it is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is state-sponsored terrorism.

The fact that this event is from 1945 is revealing. Could you share a similar write up of the 5000+ Islamic terror attacks that have occurred since then? Thanks chief.

Please cite the source of the 5,000+ attacks claim, and then explain why the past 20 years is a relevant range. Surely you're not arguing that genocidal grievances have an expiration date, right? By way of example, if someone murdered your family, everyone in your neighborhood, and everyone you know, and then set up shop in your house 21 years ago, I'm thinking you wouldn't be arguing that you have a case for trying to finally hold them accountable today - right?

Americans are very uneducated about global terror.

And of course genocidal grievances have an expiration date. What a ridiculous claim. Do you welcome an Algonquian descendant to take your property and murder your family?

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2021/

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

To be fair there are no Talmudists blowing up people globally.

Let's not forget the Haganah, the Irgun, or the Stern Gang. In 1945, Zionist terrorists in Palestine targeted oil refineries, colonial railways, and police boats. They also blew up the King David Hotel and perpetrated several massacres of Palestinian living in their villages, including at Balad al-Sheikh, Saasaa, Deir Yassin, Saliha, and Lydda. Survivors of Deir Yassin described Zionist terrorists raping women, cutting fetuses out of pregnant women, and executing scores of people.

Israel was built on terrorism. What it is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is state-sponsored terrorism.

The fact that this event is from 1945 is revealing. Could you share a similar write up of the 5000+ Islamic terror attacks that have occurred since then? Thanks chief.

Zionist terrorism continues to this day in Gaza and the West Bank. Why do you think Zionist terrorist groups were subsumed into more palatable organizations? Because they got what they wanted. Palestinians have not got what they want, even though their claim to the land is stronger. Hamas and groups like it will stop practicing terrorism once they get what they want. The same was true of the IRA in Ireland and the ANC in South Africa. Does this make terrorism right? Of course not. But terrorism worked quite well for Zionists, so other terrorist groups have that model as a blueprint.

Still waiting for that cite of Jewish terror attacks.

[Anonymous]

No one save Biden could have secured a peaceful time like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

I must have missed the news about Christians committing unprovoked acts of holy war in the name of God.

So Jews can cop to their fairytales being no better when it comes to viciously brutal human rights abuses than Islamic fairytales because Crusades, Inquisition, etc.?

Weird logic, but par for the course, I guess.

I must have missed the news of thousands of Jewish terror attacks on civilians and children in the name of God over the past few decades.

All religions are fairy tales. Some more harmful than others.

Yes you missed land grab and army/settler attacks in the West Bank who feel entitled to the land bc sky daddy promise. And oh yeah, guns.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

I must have missed the news about Christians committing unprovoked acts of holy war in the name of God.

So Jews can cop to their fairytales being no better when it comes to viciously brutal human rights abuses than Islamic fairytales because Crusades, Inquisition, etc.?

Weird logic, but par for the course, I guess.

I must have missed the news of thousands of Jewish terror attacks on civilians and children in the name of God over the past few decades.

All religions are fairy tales. Some more harmful than others.

Yes you missed land grab and army/settler attacks in the West Bank who feel entitled to the land bc sky daddy promise. And oh yeah, guns.

Sky daddy promise? No.
UN promise? Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

To be fair there are no Talmudists blowing up people globally.

Let's not forget the Haganah, the Irgun, or the Stern Gang. In 1945, Zionist terrorists in Palestine targeted oil refineries, colonial railways, and police boats. They also blew up the King David Hotel and perpetrated several massacres of Palestinian living in their villages, including at Balad al-Sheikh, Saasaa, Deir Yassin, Saliha, and Lydda. Survivors of Deir Yassin described Zionist terrorists raping women, cutting fetuses out of pregnant women, and executing scores of people.

Israel was built on terrorism. What it is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is state-sponsored terrorism.

The fact that this event is from 1945 is revealing. Could you share a similar write up of the 5000+ Islamic terror attacks that have occurred since then? Thanks chief.

Frankly, it’s Israel’s decisive military victories that has made its terrorism obsolete. They don’t need to commit terroristic acts because the government is doing it for them.

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From Times of Israel today:

“The IDF and Shin Bet announce that the commander of Hamas’s Nuseirat battalion, Ismail Siraj, and his deputy, Ahmed Wahaba, were killed in an airstrike this evening in the Gaza Strip.”

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Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

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It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

To be fair there are no Talmudists blowing up people globally.

Let's not forget the Haganah, the Irgun, or the Stern Gang. In 1945, Zionist terrorists in Palestine targeted oil refineries, colonial railways, and police boats. They also blew up the King David Hotel and perpetrated several massacres of Palestinian living in their villages, including at Balad al-Sheikh, Saasaa, Deir Yassin, Saliha, and Lydda. Survivors of Deir Yassin described Zionist terrorists raping women, cutting fetuses out of pregnant women, and executing scores of people.

Israel was built on terrorism. What it is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is state-sponsored terrorism.

The fact that this event is from 1945 is revealing. Could you share a similar write up of the 5000+ Islamic terror attacks that have occurred since then? Thanks chief.

Please cite the source of the 5,000+ attacks claim, and then explain why the past 20 years is a relevant range. Surely you're not arguing that genocidal grievances have an expiration date, right? By way of example, if someone murdered your family, everyone in your neighborhood, and everyone you know, and then set up shop in your house 21 years ago, I'm thinking you wouldn't be arguing that you have a case for trying to finally hold them accountable today - right?

Well then, let’s talk about the brutality and ethnic cleansing Jews in the Levant region and other parts of the Middle East have faced at the hands of Muslims for centuries. Jews were run out of their communities and brutalized and enslaved …. So let’s start there.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

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It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

To be fair there are no Talmudists blowing up people globally.

Let's not forget the Haganah, the Irgun, or the Stern Gang. In 1945, Zionist terrorists in Palestine targeted oil refineries, colonial railways, and police boats. They also blew up the King David Hotel and perpetrated several massacres of Palestinian living in their villages, including at Balad al-Sheikh, Saasaa, Deir Yassin, Saliha, and Lydda. Survivors of Deir Yassin described Zionist terrorists raping women, cutting fetuses out of pregnant women, and executing scores of people.

Israel was built on terrorism. What it is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is state-sponsored terrorism.

The fact that this event is from 1945 is revealing. Could you share a similar write up of the 5000+ Islamic terror attacks that have occurred since then? Thanks chief.

Please cite the source of the 5,000+ attacks claim, and then explain why the past 20 years is a relevant range. Surely you're not arguing that genocidal grievances have an expiration date, right? By way of example, if someone murdered your family, everyone in your neighborhood, and everyone you know, and then set up shop in your house 21 years ago, I'm thinking you wouldn't be arguing that you have a case for trying to finally hold them accountable today - right?

Well then, let’s talk about the brutality and ethnic cleansing Jews in the Levant region and other parts of the Middle East have faced at the hands of Muslims for centuries. Jews were run out of their communities and brutalized and enslaved …. So let’s start there.

Let’s talk about it. Make your case, with citations. I have to emphasize that last part following the tragic comeuppance of Ackman’s wife.