Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

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It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Really? So the hostages are suffering because of the conditions created by Israel in Gaza. Kill 22,000 and make 2.3 million homeless but complain about how the hostages are treated? We all know the IDF does not take prisoners.
The truth the Israeli government does not want the hostages released because they are from a “liberal” area and the government is right wing. Much better to have dead martyred(killed by Israel or Hamas) vs having a live liberal who opposes Bibi.

The bombing wouldn't have happened if Hamas hadn't gone on its bloody rampage. FA/FO. Blame Hamas. The rest of your drivel is your own delusional BS.

This is literally never going to make sense no matter how many times you say it.

There are standards of behavior for war. They don’t include the planned forced displacement of populations, killing civilians out of proportion with the military value of a target, and they don’t include killing unarmed prisoners while they wave a white flag and beg for help— it’s a tragic illustration that the latter group were the hostages the IDF was in theory there to help.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

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It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

I don't think the hostages that were released had anything atrocious to report. I mean to be kidnapped is bad enough but no one was tortured. They certainly fared better than their friends who tried to surrender but were shot dead by IDF. That'll be the end of hostages trying to locate friendly IDF troops, don't you think?

Nasty comment.

Yeah, really.

Most of those hostages were drugged up when they were released. And are now dealing with their trauma. Not exactly something for public consumption.

Given the brutality of the Hamas massacres on 10/7, it's unlikely any remaining hostages are still alive. Both the women and the men. They will have been tortured to death.

The savagery of Hamas is not to be underestimated.

They’ve held Shalit for five years.

That was then. When having an IDF prisoner meant something

Hamas took roughly 250 people. Mostly children, women, and older people. The men are presumably all dead by now.

You'll notice that Hamas hasn't taken any IDF prisoners since then. And the IDF is taking losses. Meanwhile, the IDF has tons of Hamas militants in custody.

You tell me? Who's doing the raping and torturing?

Actually a hundred hostages are men.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

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It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

I don't think the hostages that were released had anything atrocious to report. I mean to be kidnapped is bad enough but no one was tortured. They certainly fared better than their friends who tried to surrender but were shot dead by IDF. That'll be the end of hostages trying to locate friendly IDF troops, don't you think?

In the hostage family meeting with Right wing zealot Netanyahu in which he was secretly taped and that tape leaked to the press, it was revealed that many of the Israeli hostages who had gun shot injuries had actually sustained them from the IDF's indiscriminate and panicked firing on Hamas occupied golf carts, motor bikes as they headed back to Gaza, despite hostages inside:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/middleeast/leaked-audio-of-heated-meeting-reveals-hostages-fury-at-netanyahu/index.html

Not the " fog of war" but rather poorly disciplined, ill prepared 20 something Israeli " soldiers" basically sh+tting themselves and firing on anything that moves

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

It actually isn’t

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

I don't think the hostages that were released had anything atrocious to report. I mean to be kidnapped is bad enough but no one was tortured. They certainly fared better than their friends who tried to surrender but were shot dead by IDF. That'll be the end of hostages trying to locate friendly IDF troops, don't you think?

Nasty comment.

Perhaps you haven’t seen this today?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/opinion/israel-hostage-war-government.html

This is a forth quoting “On their return, some [hostages] warned the cabinet that Israel’s military offensive is endangering the remaining hostages.”

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Really? So the hostages are suffering because of the conditions created by Israel in Gaza. Kill 22,000 and make 2.3 million homeless but complain about how the hostages are treated? We all know the IDF does not take prisoners.
The truth the Israeli government does not want the hostages released because they are from a “liberal” area and the government is right wing. Much better to have dead martyred(killed by Israel or Hamas) vs having a live liberal who opposes Bibi.

The bombing wouldn't have happened if Hamas hadn't gone on its bloody rampage. FA/FO. Blame Hamas. The rest of your drivel is your own delusional BS.

This is literally never going to make sense no matter how many times you say it.

There are standards of behavior for war. They don’t include the planned forced displacement of populations, killing civilians out of proportion with the military value of a target, and they don’t include killing unarmed prisoners while they wave a white flag and beg for help— it’s a tragic illustration that the latter group were the hostages the IDF was in theory there to help.

No, there aren't "standards of behavior for war."

Do you think there a lot of "standards" for what Russians have been doing in Ukraine? How about what's going in Syria? Or Yemen? Or Ethiopia? Or Congo?

War is horrible.

It's why most people avoid it.

But Hamas invaded Israel and launched a brutal war. There's nothing fair about anything. Do you think all those hostages are thinking fairness? Do you think all those women who were getting nails driven into their genitals were thinking this is fair? Do you think the lefty kibbiutzhers who got their heads chopped off with shovels were thinking this is fine? Totally fair. And take the children too.

Palestinians in Gaza launched this brutality. Incredibly stupid decision. War is war. Not fun for anyone. But this is what they chose.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Really? So the hostages are suffering because of the conditions created by Israel in Gaza. Kill 22,000 and make 2.3 million homeless but complain about how the hostages are treated? We all know the IDF does not take prisoners.
The truth the Israeli government does not want the hostages released because they are from a “liberal” area and the government is right wing. Much better to have dead martyred(killed by Israel or Hamas) vs having a live liberal who opposes Bibi.

The bombing wouldn't have happened if Hamas hadn't gone on its bloody rampage. FA/FO. Blame Hamas. The rest of your drivel is your own delusional BS.

This is literally never going to make sense no matter how many times you say it.

There are standards of behavior for war. They don’t include the planned forced displacement of populations, killing civilians out of proportion with the military value of a target, and they don’t include killing unarmed prisoners while they wave a white flag and beg for help— it’s a tragic illustration that the latter group were the hostages the IDF was in theory there to help.

Did Hamas adhere to the standards of behavior for war you expect for IDF? No. So your own argument is literally never going to make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

I don't think the hostages that were released had anything atrocious to report. I mean to be kidnapped is bad enough but no one was tortured. They certainly fared better than their friends who tried to surrender but were shot dead by IDF. That'll be the end of hostages trying to locate friendly IDF troops, don't you think?

Nasty comment.

Perhaps you haven’t seen this today?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/opinion/israel-hostage-war-government.html

This is a forth quoting “On their return, some [hostages] warned the cabinet that Israel’s military offensive is endangering the remaining hostages.”

That tells me that Hamas is running out of places to hide and that IDF is closing in on them. Their continued hold on hostages becomes more and more pointless by the day and at this point, the hostages are just more human shields for Hamas. Hamas should just do the decent thing and hand the remaining hostages over. But they lack even that shred of common sense and decency.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

I don't think the hostages that were released had anything atrocious to report. I mean to be kidnapped is bad enough but no one was tortured. They certainly fared better than their friends who tried to surrender but were shot dead by IDF. That'll be the end of hostages trying to locate friendly IDF troops, don't you think?

Nasty comment.

Perhaps you haven’t seen this today?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/opinion/israel-hostage-war-government.html

This is a forth quoting “On their return, some [hostages] warned the cabinet that Israel’s military offensive is endangering the remaining hostages.”

That tells me that Hamas is running out of places to hide and that IDF is closing in on them. Their continued hold on hostages becomes more and more pointless by the day and at this point, the hostages are just more human shields for Hamas. Hamas should just do the decent thing and hand the remaining hostages over. But they lack even that shred of common sense and decency.

Hamas doing the right thing is not happening.

Fundamentally, they are sadists.

The cruelty is the point. It's obviously not a strategic goal. Or anything political. After the atrocities, there is zero chance Palestinians will have an indepedant state for the next 100 years.

Invading Israel and killing and torturing all those people was such an incredibly stupid move by Palestinians in Gaza.

The longer they continue to hold the hostages, the worse it will be.

There is no good outcome. Palestinians really destroyed their future with their invasion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

Hamas has been unable to keep them safe. We know that some of them needed medicine and other things to survive. There was CCTV footage of injured hostages held by armed Hamas terrorists retrieved from hospitals. There is inadequate food, water and so on. I agree, many have probably died. Also, they wouldn't have to dodge bombs if they surrendered and turned the hostages loose. Enough already.

Hamas warned Israel though that they were running out of supplies to take care of the hostages and that they’d be willing to release them all for a 3-5 day ceasefire. Not a complete ceasefire just 3-5 days and Israel refused. The families of the hostages were pissed and rightfully so. Israelis are now calling them of all people Hamas sympathizers simply because they protested and marched on Netanyahus home calling for hostage release

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

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It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Really? So the hostages are suffering because of the conditions created by Israel in Gaza. Kill 22,000 and make 2.3 million homeless but complain about how the hostages are treated? We all know the IDF does not take prisoners.
The truth the Israeli government does not want the hostages released because they are from a “liberal” area and the government is right wing. Much better to have dead martyred(killed by Israel or Hamas) vs having a live liberal who opposes Bibi.

The bombing wouldn't have happened if Hamas hadn't gone on its bloody rampage. FA/FO. Blame Hamas. The rest of your drivel is your own delusional BS.

This is literally never going to make sense no matter how many times you say it.

There are standards of behavior for war. They don’t include the planned forced displacement of populations, killing civilians out of proportion with the military value of a target, and they don’t include killing unarmed prisoners while they wave a white flag and beg for help— it’s a tragic illustration that the latter group were the hostages the IDF was in theory there to help.

So you are going to continue with the “IDF killed their own hostages” lie then.

Here is the honest, hard truth:

If Hamas had released those hostages, they would be alive today.

If every Hamas operative and supporter had surrendered unconditionally and accepted that their punishment would be their death, no “innocent” Palestinian would have died in this conflict.

If the Palestinian people had welcomed their Israeli liberators with open arms and rose up to support the valiant efforts of the IDF in freeing them from the oppression of Hamas, they would be held as hero’s in Israel, and to all Jews globally.

That never happened.

In reality, the only party responsible for this conflict, and for the lives lost within, is Hamas. Any insinuation outside of that is deeply anti-Semitic and should be treated as being akin to 1930s Nazi propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

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It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

I don't think the hostages that were released had anything atrocious to report. I mean to be kidnapped is bad enough but no one was tortured. They certainly fared better than their friends who tried to surrender but were shot dead by IDF. That'll be the end of hostages trying to locate friendly IDF troops, don't you think?

Nasty comment.

Perhaps you haven’t seen this today?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/opinion/israel-hostage-war-government.html

This is a forth quoting “On their return, some [hostages] warned the cabinet that Israel’s military offensive is endangering the remaining hostages.”

That tells me that Hamas is running out of places to hide and that IDF is closing in on them. Their continued hold on hostages becomes more and more pointless by the day and at this point, the hostages are just more human shields for Hamas. Hamas should just do the decent thing and hand the remaining hostages over. But they lack even that shred of common sense and decency.

Hamas doing the right thing is not happening.

Fundamentally, they are sadists.

The cruelty is the point. It's obviously not a strategic goal. Or anything political. After the atrocities, there is zero chance Palestinians will have an indepedant state for the next 100 years.

Invading Israel and killing and torturing all those people was such an incredibly stupid move by Palestinians in Gaza.

The longer they continue to hold the hostages, the worse it will be.

There is no good outcome. Palestinians really destroyed their future with their invasion.

There is a good outcome. The invader Palestinians are driven from Gaza, the West Bank, the Sinai, and Lebanon and Israel gains the lands rightfully promised to them by Yahweh so many years ago and stolen so brutally from them by the ancestors of the Palestinians.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

I don't think the hostages that were released had anything atrocious to report. I mean to be kidnapped is bad enough but no one was tortured. They certainly fared better than their friends who tried to surrender but were shot dead by IDF. That'll be the end of hostages trying to locate friendly IDF troops, don't you think?

Nasty comment.

Perhaps you haven’t seen this today?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/opinion/israel-hostage-war-government.html

This is a forth quoting “On their return, some [hostages] warned the cabinet that Israel’s military offensive is endangering the remaining hostages.”

That tells me that Hamas is running out of places to hide and that IDF is closing in on them. Their continued hold on hostages becomes more and more pointless by the day and at this point, the hostages are just more human shields for Hamas. Hamas should just do the decent thing and hand the remaining hostages over. But they lack even that shred of common sense and decency.

Hamas doing the right thing is not happening.

Fundamentally, they are sadists.

The cruelty is the point. It's obviously not a strategic goal. Or anything political. After the atrocities, there is zero chance Palestinians will have an indepedant state for the next 100 years.

Invading Israel and killing and torturing all those people was such an incredibly stupid move by Palestinians in Gaza.

The longer they continue to hold the hostages, the worse it will be.

There is no good outcome. Palestinians really destroyed their future with their invasion.

There is a good outcome. The invader Palestinians are driven from Gaza, the West Bank, the Sinai, and Lebanon and Israel gains the lands rightfully promised to them by Yahweh so many years ago and stolen so brutally from them by the ancestors of the Palestinians.

Kids, this ^ is what happens to your brain when you stand too close to the burning bush and inhale the fumes.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

Hamas has been unable to keep them safe. We know that some of them needed medicine and other things to survive. There was CCTV footage of injured hostages held by armed Hamas terrorists retrieved from hospitals. There is inadequate food, water and so on. I agree, many have probably died. Also, they wouldn't have to dodge bombs if they surrendered and turned the hostages loose. Enough already.

Hamas warned Israel though that they were running out of supplies to take care of the hostages and that they’d be willing to release them all for a 3-5 day ceasefire. Not a complete ceasefire just 3-5 days and Israel refused. The families of the hostages were pissed and rightfully so. Israelis are now calling them of all people Hamas sympathizers simply because they protested and marched on Netanyahus home calling for hostage release

There WAS a ceasefire and they didn't release all the hostages. And then HAMAS broke the ceasefire.