FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote: None of Thru’s proposals involved shifting an ES entirely from one pyramid to another.

None of their proposals... yet. Wait for the 5th.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on, folks.

Let’s be realistic. The school board will never approve a move from Langley to Herndon. Herndon is over 60% capacity, and when/if South Lakes High School (SLHS) closes to transfers, Herndon’s enrollment will only increase.

Let’s stop talking about that scenario. It’s a waste of time.

They seem fairly anchored to leaving schools within the 60-105% range alone, but that's just one of their "guiding principles." They also refer to alignment with Policy 8130 and the SB (if not Thru) could identify that as an independent basis to move kids from Langley to Herndon regardless of whether Langley is over 105% or Herndon under 60%.

I'm not advocating for this. I just think that, politically, the optics are horrible if they propose to move kids who live within a mile or two of West Springfield to Lewis or South County, and do nothing to move at least some Langley kids to Herndon when Herndon is much closer. It makes it look as if all the talk about transportation efficiencies was a sham and they got bullied into leaving Langley alone. I've heard all the arguments about how traffic is worse in Herndon so the commuting times wouldn't be reduced as much as you'd think, but people will look at the maps and draw their own conclusions.

They don't really care about optics when it comes to Langley/Herndon.

For the past ten years, I've heard talk of moving Great Falls kids from Langley to Herndon. For some reason, certain posters keep bringing it up.

Doesn’t matter what they think. It's not going to happen.

Full stop.

Why because you and your rich friends founded some sort of association that is lobbying against it? Donating thousands to school board members? You're trying to buy your way out of being rezoned and everybody knows it.

I am in FairFACTs Matters and no where close to Langley nor Herndon. Nor WSHS and Lewis.

There’s also no requirement to donate anything.

+2 it’s literally just a FB group. You can join it whenever you want!

A Fb group that raised over $50,000.

They regularly pay for FOIA requests, which add up.

I wouldn't donate to them, but I hope they are using the funds for what they were intended for.

Thanks for that information. Sad that there has to be a group that needs FOIA. I am grateful to those who donate. If FCPS would be more transparent, FOIA would not be necessary.

It was only through FairFacts’ advocacy that the BRAC member list was disclosed and that they started putting their meeting notes online. Otherwise we’d all be in the dark about this.

Also noting they just posted this. Thus far, this has been the only way for community members to engage with the closed-door BRAC. The pyramid nor special interest members are not doing this unless you happen to have a direct connection.

“For those looking to send community feedback, please email us at [e-mail] with your questions or comments. We have already submitted three communications reflecting community feedback and will continue to share the most commonly asked questions moving forward. We will provide previous communications with community feedback below.“

How disgusting that these people are only sharing information with a small handful of members of the county who live in one specific area and not everyone.

Also it's clearly not a Facebook group when they have their own domain.

Maybe you don’t understand. Fairfacts matters is soliciting feedback to provide to Fairfax County, since they have spots on BRAC now. They are opening the dialogue to everyone across the county, not just one particular pyramid. Oh, and it seems that anyone can join- it’s a county-wide organization.

I’m guessing you understand and that you are just desperately trying to make them the bad guy, but just in case you didn’t understand, I figured i would directly address your concerns.

Are they politically motivated? Just answer the question.

If you're asking if the group is a bunch of Republicans calling attention to school boundaries in an effort to swing elections, the answer is a definitive "no."

There are certainly a handful of republicans who reminded the group in its first weeks that they voted for the fairfax dems who have had re-districting for equity on their agenda for years now. A few independents who tell the group to accept equity redistricting as the price to pay for all the dem stuff they want their school board to do.

Mostly it's democrats who just want to stay democrats and to work with the board for the outcome they want. The LAST thing they want is to vote for republicans or be called republicans.

Thanks, I just have nightmares about Joanne Sears and Rory Cooper whose open FCPS effort had a very clear Republican agenda and whose agenda worked - angry mommas elected Glenn Youngkin. I don't want a repeat of that.

And, you think shifting kids all over the county is going to elect a Democrat?

All I'm saying is that I'm tired of these politically motivated organizations saying they're doing what's best for students when really it's all about politics. I've seen it all over this board and it's going to get worse as we get closer and closer to the election. Every year like clockwork, they come and they post here (both sides) and try to scare parent into voting for them by talking about how horrible the schools are. The truth it, the schools are good, and motivated students with parents who guide them are going to do great no matter where they are zoned.

Hi there. I can tell you that I used to vote for Democrats, but can’t anymore because of the boundary changes. I don’t think I could live with myself if I voted the same way at the national level, but the democrats have really shot themselves in the foot with the boundary change stuff. There is a reason why those political groups focus on this issue - It’s broadly unpopular across the political spectrum.

If you’re just saying that you don’t want scrutiny of the school board and it’s extreme actions/agenda, just say it, don’t dance around the issue. It sounds like you ardently believe in the boundary changes, and are trying to deflect scrutiny on them. Just say that.

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[Anonymous]

These past few pages are very interesting. It appears to indicate that the “Langley Brigade” would not be bothered if all the houses west of 7 that are currently zoned to Forestville (and have Herndon addresses) were shifted to either Armstrong or Aldrin. These are the types of shifts Thru has proposed up to this point: ES boundary changes that have impacts up the chain.

The angry “end transfers out” posters don’t even know where Armstrong ES is located. That indicates that the “resistance” is limited to those with a Great Falls address. That leaves Thru room to work. Thru can appear as if it has “done something” to shift Langley to Herndon by simply shifting everything west of 7 using ES boundaries.

The “transfer out” argument is silly and ineffective against the types of moves Thru has been proposing. This foolish argument places the focus on Langley to Herndon as a “pull” rather than seeing it for what it is, a “push.” The transfer out argument won’t stop a “Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong” type of move.

For example, say Thru considers moves around Tysons that require capacity relief in the Langley/Mclean/Marshall area. What to do? If they move Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong ES they are moving students from an ES school projected to be at 96% in a few years (Forestville) to one currently at 74% and projected to be at 41% (Armstrong). Arguing about 300 transfers out at the high school level does not move the needle on these elementary school transfers. But the reality is that all the people who are currently zoned for Forestville west of 7 would be shifted from Langley to Herndon with and ES level move, solving capacity concerns at the high school level in the Tysons area. Students were not “pulled” into Herndon because of some capacity vacuum created by transfers out, they were simply “pushed” there by population growth in the Tysons area.

Is that too churlish for you? Does that make me a weirdo? Maybe try to read what is written and consider the potential impacts instead of throwing around insults. Maybe I was trying to guide you to understand the true potential adjustments the Herndon border of the Langley boundary faces on 5/5 without giving FCPS and Thru a roadmap. But you chose insults and condescension and, more importantly, revealed that the Langley brigade only cares about folks East of route 7. This now gives Thru the green light to move “some” of Langley to Herndon and not upset the bulk of the opposition. You basically sold out your neighbors to sound clever on the internet.

As it currently stands, if FCPS moves people all across the county, but makes zero Langley to Herndon moves, the optics are terrible. We have seen the angry blowback previewed on this thread over the past week. Fortunately for FCPS, you can’t get out of your own way, and have given FCPS a path forward by revealing that you DGAF about the houses west of 7. Nice. You all must make lovely neighbors.

We will see what happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These past few pages are very interesting. It appears to indicate that the “Langley Brigade” would not be bothered if all the houses west of 7 that are currently zoned to Forestville (and have Herndon addresses) were shifted to either Armstrong or Aldrin. These are the types of shifts Thru has proposed up to this point: ES boundary changes that have impacts up the chain.

The angry “end transfers out” posters don’t even know where Armstrong ES is located. That indicates that the “resistance” is limited to those with a Great Falls address. That leaves Thru room to work. Thru can appear as if it has “done something” to shift Langley to Herndon by simply shifting everything west of 7 using ES boundaries.

The “transfer out” argument is silly and ineffective against the types of moves Thru has been proposing. This foolish argument places the focus on Langley to Herndon as a “pull” rather than seeing it for what it is, a “push.” The transfer out argument won’t stop a “Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong” type of move.

For example, say Thru considers moves around Tysons that require capacity relief in the Langley/Mclean/Marshall area. What to do? If they move Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong ES they are moving students from an ES school projected to be at 96% in a few years (Forestville) to one currently at 74% and projected to be at 41% (Armstrong). Arguing about 300 transfers out at the high school level does not move the needle on these elementary school transfers. But the reality is that all the people who are currently zoned for Forestville west of 7 would be shifted from Langley to Herndon with and ES level move, solving capacity concerns at the high school level in the Tysons area. Students were not “pulled” into Herndon because of some capacity vacuum created by transfers out, they were simply “pushed” there by population growth in the Tysons area.

Is that too churlish for you? Does that make me a weirdo? Maybe try to read what is written and consider the potential impacts instead of throwing around insults. Maybe I was trying to guide you to understand the true potential adjustments the Herndon border of the Langley boundary faces on 5/5 without giving FCPS and Thru a roadmap. But you chose insults and condescension and, more importantly, revealed that the Langley brigade only cares about folks East of route 7. This now gives Thru the green light to move “some” of Langley to Herndon and not upset the bulk of the opposition. You basically sold out your neighbors to sound clever on the internet.

As it currently stands, if FCPS moves people all across the county, but makes zero Langley to Herndon moves, the optics are terrible. We have seen the angry blowback previewed on this thread over the past week. Fortunately for FCPS, you can’t get out of your own way, and have given FCPS a path forward by revealing that you DGAF about the houses west of 7. Nice. You all must make lovely neighbors.

We will see what happens.

I’m zoned for Langley, East of 7, and I’ve been very clear that I don’t want ANYONE moved without a clear indication that they want to be moved. That’s Langley and that’s everywhere else in the county.

GTFO with your 4am screed pretending that I would support your agenda. I do not, and everyone I know in my area feels the same as me.

[Anonymous]

Langley is way underenrolled...only 2000 students when neighboring high schools have 2600, 2700, 2900 students?
Its not logical why anyone would be moved from Langley.
Fcps needs to use that space more effectively but its location makes that difficult.
Maybe a special ed center or alternative high school can be colocated there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These past few pages are very interesting. It appears to indicate that the “Langley Brigade” would not be bothered if all the houses west of 7 that are currently zoned to Forestville (and have Herndon addresses) were shifted to either Armstrong or Aldrin. These are the types of shifts Thru has proposed up to this point: ES boundary changes that have impacts up the chain.

The angry “end transfers out” posters don’t even know where Armstrong ES is located. That indicates that the “resistance” is limited to those with a Great Falls address. That leaves Thru room to work. Thru can appear as if it has “done something” to shift Langley to Herndon by simply shifting everything west of 7 using ES boundaries.

The “transfer out” argument is silly and ineffective against the types of moves Thru has been proposing. This foolish argument places the focus on Langley to Herndon as a “pull” rather than seeing it for what it is, a “push.” The transfer out argument won’t stop a “Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong” type of move.

For example, say Thru considers moves around Tysons that require capacity relief in the Langley/Mclean/Marshall area. What to do? If they move Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong ES they are moving students from an ES school projected to be at 96% in a few years (Forestville) to one currently at 74% and projected to be at 41% (Armstrong). Arguing about 300 transfers out at the high school level does not move the needle on these elementary school transfers. But the reality is that all the people who are currently zoned for Forestville west of 7 would be shifted from Langley to Herndon with and ES level move, solving capacity concerns at the high school level in the Tysons area. Students were not “pulled” into Herndon because of some capacity vacuum created by transfers out, they were simply “pushed” there by population growth in the Tysons area.

Is that too churlish for you? Does that make me a weirdo? Maybe try to read what is written and consider the potential impacts instead of throwing around insults. Maybe I was trying to guide you to understand the true potential adjustments the Herndon border of the Langley boundary faces on 5/5 without giving FCPS and Thru a roadmap. But you chose insults and condescension and, more importantly, revealed that the Langley brigade only cares about folks East of route 7. This now gives Thru the green light to move “some” of Langley to Herndon and not upset the bulk of the opposition. You basically sold out your neighbors to sound clever on the internet.

As it currently stands, if FCPS moves people all across the county, but makes zero Langley to Herndon moves, the optics are terrible. We have seen the angry blowback previewed on this thread over the past week. Fortunately for FCPS, you can’t get out of your own way, and have given FCPS a path forward by revealing that you DGAF about the houses west of 7. Nice. You all must make lovely neighbors.

We will see what happens.

I don't think so. Both schools aren't crowded. Not moving Chantilly kids or WSHS kids looks foolish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These past few pages are very interesting. It appears to indicate that the “Langley Brigade” would not be bothered if all the houses west of 7 that are currently zoned to Forestville (and have Herndon addresses) were shifted to either Armstrong or Aldrin. These are the types of shifts Thru has proposed up to this point: ES boundary changes that have impacts up the chain.

The angry “end transfers out” posters don’t even know where Armstrong ES is located. That indicates that the “resistance” is limited to those with a Great Falls address. That leaves Thru room to work. Thru can appear as if it has “done something” to shift Langley to Herndon by simply shifting everything west of 7 using ES boundaries.

The “transfer out” argument is silly and ineffective against the types of moves Thru has been proposing. This foolish argument places the focus on Langley to Herndon as a “pull” rather than seeing it for what it is, a “push.” The transfer out argument won’t stop a “Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong” type of move.

For example, say Thru considers moves around Tysons that require capacity relief in the Langley/Mclean/Marshall area. What to do? If they move Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong ES they are moving students from an ES school projected to be at 96% in a few years (Forestville) to one currently at 74% and projected to be at 41% (Armstrong). Arguing about 300 transfers out at the high school level does not move the needle on these elementary school transfers. But the reality is that all the people who are currently zoned for Forestville west of 7 would be shifted from Langley to Herndon with and ES level move, solving capacity concerns at the high school level in the Tysons area. Students were not “pulled” into Herndon because of some capacity vacuum created by transfers out, they were simply “pushed” there by population growth in the Tysons area.

Is that too churlish for you? Does that make me a weirdo? Maybe try to read what is written and consider the potential impacts instead of throwing around insults. Maybe I was trying to guide you to understand the true potential adjustments the Herndon border of the Langley boundary faces on 5/5 without giving FCPS and Thru a roadmap. But you chose insults and condescension and, more importantly, revealed that the Langley brigade only cares about folks East of route 7. This now gives Thru the green light to move “some” of Langley to Herndon and not upset the bulk of the opposition. You basically sold out your neighbors to sound clever on the internet.

As it currently stands, if FCPS moves people all across the county, but makes zero Langley to Herndon moves, the optics are terrible. We have seen the angry blowback previewed on this thread over the past week. Fortunately for FCPS, you can’t get out of your own way, and have given FCPS a path forward by revealing that you DGAF about the houses west of 7. Nice. You all must make lovely neighbors.

We will see what happens.

I don't think so. Both schools aren't crowded. Not moving Chantilly kids or WSHS kids looks foolish.

She also cites a ton of things as fact to support her feeble let’s move some of Forestville argument. Very transparent to even the casual observer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Langley is way underenrolled...only 2000 students when neighboring high schools have 2600, 2700, 2900 students?
Its not logical why anyone would be moved from Langley.
Fcps needs to use that space more effectively but its location makes that difficult.
Maybe a special ed center or alternative high school can be colocated there.

It’s “logical” that, if we wasted money expanding Herndon to 2750 seats and it is now expected to be at least 20% under-enrolled for years to come, we might as well send kids who live a few miles away there rather than bus them 10+ miles to Langley.

Not saying this will happen. In fact it appears it will not. But it’s every bit as logical as making decisions based on an arbitrary 60-105% capacity target Thru is using.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These past few pages are very interesting. It appears to indicate that the “Langley Brigade” would not be bothered if all the houses west of 7 that are currently zoned to Forestville (and have Herndon addresses) were shifted to either Armstrong or Aldrin. These are the types of shifts Thru has proposed up to this point: ES boundary changes that have impacts up the chain.

The angry “end transfers out” posters don’t even know where Armstrong ES is located. That indicates that the “resistance” is limited to those with a Great Falls address. That leaves Thru room to work. Thru can appear as if it has “done something” to shift Langley to Herndon by simply shifting everything west of 7 using ES boundaries.

The “transfer out” argument is silly and ineffective against the types of moves Thru has been proposing. This foolish argument places the focus on Langley to Herndon as a “pull” rather than seeing it for what it is, a “push.” The transfer out argument won’t stop a “Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong” type of move.

For example, say Thru considers moves around Tysons that require capacity relief in the Langley/Mclean/Marshall area. What to do? If they move Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong ES they are moving students from an ES school projected to be at 96% in a few years (Forestville) to one currently at 74% and projected to be at 41% (Armstrong). Arguing about 300 transfers out at the high school level does not move the needle on these elementary school transfers. But the reality is that all the people who are currently zoned for Forestville west of 7 would be shifted from Langley to Herndon with and ES level move, solving capacity concerns at the high school level in the Tysons area. Students were not “pulled” into Herndon because of some capacity vacuum created by transfers out, they were simply “pushed” there by population growth in the Tysons area.

Is that too churlish for you? Does that make me a weirdo? Maybe try to read what is written and consider the potential impacts instead of throwing around insults. Maybe I was trying to guide you to understand the true potential adjustments the Herndon border of the Langley boundary faces on 5/5 without giving FCPS and Thru a roadmap. But you chose insults and condescension and, more importantly, revealed that the Langley brigade only cares about folks East of route 7. This now gives Thru the green light to move “some” of Langley to Herndon and not upset the bulk of the opposition. You basically sold out your neighbors to sound clever on the internet.

As it currently stands, if FCPS moves people all across the county, but makes zero Langley to Herndon moves, the optics are terrible. We have seen the angry blowback previewed on this thread over the past week. Fortunately for FCPS, you can’t get out of your own way, and have given FCPS a path forward by revealing that you DGAF about the houses west of 7. Nice. You all must make lovely neighbors.

We will see what happens.

I don't think so. Both schools aren't crowded. Not moving Chantilly kids or WSHS kids looks foolish.

On that score the 4 AM poster is right. The optics are horrible if they move kids who live two miles from West Springfield out of that school, and force kids out of the Marshall pyramid just to paper over an attendance island at McLean, but leave kids traveling over 10 miles to Langley there following a “comprehensive” review. It completely feeds the narrative that the wealthiest always get their way at Langley, while everyone else gets treated like pawns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Langley is way underenrolled...only 2000 students when neighboring high schools have 2600, 2700, 2900 students?
Its not logical why anyone would be moved from Langley.
Fcps needs to use that space more effectively but its location makes that difficult.
Maybe a special ed center or alternative high school can be colocated there.

It’s “logical” that, if we wasted money expanding Herndon to 2750 seats and it is now expected to be at least 20% under-enrolled for years to come, we might as well send kids who live a few miles away there rather than bus them 10+ miles to Langley.

Not saying this will happen. In fact it appears it will not. But it’s every bit as logical as making decisions based on an arbitrary 60-105% capacity target Thru is using.

It’s logical only if you ignore the mental health of kids and fiscal health of the county. But you don’t really care about those things, I guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These past few pages are very interesting. It appears to indicate that the “Langley Brigade” would not be bothered if all the houses west of 7 that are currently zoned to Forestville (and have Herndon addresses) were shifted to either Armstrong or Aldrin. These are the types of shifts Thru has proposed up to this point: ES boundary changes that have impacts up the chain.

The angry “end transfers out” posters don’t even know where Armstrong ES is located. That indicates that the “resistance” is limited to those with a Great Falls address. That leaves Thru room to work. Thru can appear as if it has “done something” to shift Langley to Herndon by simply shifting everything west of 7 using ES boundaries.

The “transfer out” argument is silly and ineffective against the types of moves Thru has been proposing. This foolish argument places the focus on Langley to Herndon as a “pull” rather than seeing it for what it is, a “push.” The transfer out argument won’t stop a “Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong” type of move.

For example, say Thru considers moves around Tysons that require capacity relief in the Langley/Mclean/Marshall area. What to do? If they move Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong ES they are moving students from an ES school projected to be at 96% in a few years (Forestville) to one currently at 74% and projected to be at 41% (Armstrong). Arguing about 300 transfers out at the high school level does not move the needle on these elementary school transfers. But the reality is that all the people who are currently zoned for Forestville west of 7 would be shifted from Langley to Herndon with and ES level move, solving capacity concerns at the high school level in the Tysons area. Students were not “pulled” into Herndon because of some capacity vacuum created by transfers out, they were simply “pushed” there by population growth in the Tysons area.

Is that too churlish for you? Does that make me a weirdo? Maybe try to read what is written and consider the potential impacts instead of throwing around insults. Maybe I was trying to guide you to understand the true potential adjustments the Herndon border of the Langley boundary faces on 5/5 without giving FCPS and Thru a roadmap. But you chose insults and condescension and, more importantly, revealed that the Langley brigade only cares about folks East of route 7. This now gives Thru the green light to move “some” of Langley to Herndon and not upset the bulk of the opposition. You basically sold out your neighbors to sound clever on the internet.

As it currently stands, if FCPS moves people all across the county, but makes zero Langley to Herndon moves, the optics are terrible. We have seen the angry blowback previewed on this thread over the past week. Fortunately for FCPS, you can’t get out of your own way, and have given FCPS a path forward by revealing that you DGAF about the houses west of 7. Nice. You all must make lovely neighbors.

We will see what happens.

I don't think so. Both schools aren't crowded. Not moving Chantilly kids or WSHS kids looks foolish.

On that score the 4 AM poster is right. The optics are horrible if they move kids who live two miles from West Springfield out of that school, and force kids out of the Marshall pyramid just to paper over an attendance island at McLean, but leave kids traveling over 10 miles to Langley there following a “comprehensive” review. It completely feeds the narrative that the wealthiest always get their way at Langley, while everyone else gets treated like pawns.

I’ve always found that F’ing over kids with unnecessary boundary moves is worth it so that the optics to the extreme left are slightly better and we can hurt our neighbors with our actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Langley is way underenrolled...only 2000 students when neighboring high schools have 2600, 2700, 2900 students?
Its not logical why anyone would be moved from Langley.
Fcps needs to use that space more effectively but its location makes that difficult.
Maybe a special ed center or alternative high school can be colocated there.

It’s “logical” that, if we wasted money expanding Herndon to 2750 seats and it is now expected to be at least 20% under-enrolled for years to come, we might as well send kids who live a few miles away there rather than bus them 10+ miles to Langley.

Not saying this will happen. In fact it appears it will not. But it’s every bit as logical as making decisions based on an arbitrary 60-105% capacity target Thru is using.

It’s logical only if you ignore the mental health of kids and fiscal health of the county. But you don’t really care about those things, I guess.

Are your kids uniquely fragile? Are you the only taxpayers in the county? It’s very clear they plan to move other kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These past few pages are very interesting. It appears to indicate that the “Langley Brigade” would not be bothered if all the houses west of 7 that are currently zoned to Forestville (and have Herndon addresses) were shifted to either Armstrong or Aldrin. These are the types of shifts Thru has proposed up to this point: ES boundary changes that have impacts up the chain.

The angry “end transfers out” posters don’t even know where Armstrong ES is located. That indicates that the “resistance” is limited to those with a Great Falls address. That leaves Thru room to work. Thru can appear as if it has “done something” to shift Langley to Herndon by simply shifting everything west of 7 using ES boundaries.

The “transfer out” argument is silly and ineffective against the types of moves Thru has been proposing. This foolish argument places the focus on Langley to Herndon as a “pull” rather than seeing it for what it is, a “push.” The transfer out argument won’t stop a “Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong” type of move.

For example, say Thru considers moves around Tysons that require capacity relief in the Langley/Mclean/Marshall area. What to do? If they move Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong ES they are moving students from an ES school projected to be at 96% in a few years (Forestville) to one currently at 74% and projected to be at 41% (Armstrong). Arguing about 300 transfers out at the high school level does not move the needle on these elementary school transfers. But the reality is that all the people who are currently zoned for Forestville west of 7 would be shifted from Langley to Herndon with and ES level move, solving capacity concerns at the high school level in the Tysons area. Students were not “pulled” into Herndon because of some capacity vacuum created by transfers out, they were simply “pushed” there by population growth in the Tysons area.

Is that too churlish for you? Does that make me a weirdo? Maybe try to read what is written and consider the potential impacts instead of throwing around insults. Maybe I was trying to guide you to understand the true potential adjustments the Herndon border of the Langley boundary faces on 5/5 without giving FCPS and Thru a roadmap. But you chose insults and condescension and, more importantly, revealed that the Langley brigade only cares about folks East of route 7. This now gives Thru the green light to move “some” of Langley to Herndon and not upset the bulk of the opposition. You basically sold out your neighbors to sound clever on the internet.

As it currently stands, if FCPS moves people all across the county, but makes zero Langley to Herndon moves, the optics are terrible. We have seen the angry blowback previewed on this thread over the past week. Fortunately for FCPS, you can’t get out of your own way, and have given FCPS a path forward by revealing that you DGAF about the houses west of 7. Nice. You all must make lovely neighbors.

We will see what happens.

I don't think so. Both schools aren't crowded. Not moving Chantilly kids or WSHS kids looks foolish.

On that score the 4 AM poster is right. The optics are horrible if they move kids who live two miles from West Springfield out of that school, and force kids out of the Marshall pyramid just to paper over an attendance island at McLean, but leave kids traveling over 10 miles to Langley there following a “comprehensive” review. It completely feeds the narrative that the wealthiest always get their way at Langley, while everyone else gets treated like pawns.

I’ve always found that F’ing over kids with unnecessary boundary moves is worth it so that the optics to the extreme left are slightly better and we can hurt our neighbors with our actions.

So are you going to continue to oppose these boundary changes even if Langley gets a pass? We all know your noisy little group will throw a victory party and watch happily from the sidelines as others bear the brunt of their actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These past few pages are very interesting. It appears to indicate that the “Langley Brigade” would not be bothered if all the houses west of 7 that are currently zoned to Forestville (and have Herndon addresses) were shifted to either Armstrong or Aldrin. These are the types of shifts Thru has proposed up to this point: ES boundary changes that have impacts up the chain.

The angry “end transfers out” posters don’t even know where Armstrong ES is located. That indicates that the “resistance” is limited to those with a Great Falls address. That leaves Thru room to work. Thru can appear as if it has “done something” to shift Langley to Herndon by simply shifting everything west of 7 using ES boundaries.

The “transfer out” argument is silly and ineffective against the types of moves Thru has been proposing. This foolish argument places the focus on Langley to Herndon as a “pull” rather than seeing it for what it is, a “push.” The transfer out argument won’t stop a “Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong” type of move.

For example, say Thru considers moves around Tysons that require capacity relief in the Langley/Mclean/Marshall area. What to do? If they move Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong ES they are moving students from an ES school projected to be at 96% in a few years (Forestville) to one currently at 74% and projected to be at 41% (Armstrong). Arguing about 300 transfers out at the high school level does not move the needle on these elementary school transfers. But the reality is that all the people who are currently zoned for Forestville west of 7 would be shifted from Langley to Herndon with and ES level move, solving capacity concerns at the high school level in the Tysons area. Students were not “pulled” into Herndon because of some capacity vacuum created by transfers out, they were simply “pushed” there by population growth in the Tysons area.

Is that too churlish for you? Does that make me a weirdo? Maybe try to read what is written and consider the potential impacts instead of throwing around insults. Maybe I was trying to guide you to understand the true potential adjustments the Herndon border of the Langley boundary faces on 5/5 without giving FCPS and Thru a roadmap. But you chose insults and condescension and, more importantly, revealed that the Langley brigade only cares about folks East of route 7. This now gives Thru the green light to move “some” of Langley to Herndon and not upset the bulk of the opposition. You basically sold out your neighbors to sound clever on the internet.

As it currently stands, if FCPS moves people all across the county, but makes zero Langley to Herndon moves, the optics are terrible. We have seen the angry blowback previewed on this thread over the past week. Fortunately for FCPS, you can’t get out of your own way, and have given FCPS a path forward by revealing that you DGAF about the houses west of 7. Nice. You all must make lovely neighbors.

We will see what happens.

I don't think so. Both schools aren't crowded. Not moving Chantilly kids or WSHS kids looks foolish.

On that score the 4 AM poster is right. The optics are horrible if they move kids who live two miles from West Springfield out of that school, and force kids out of the Marshall pyramid just to paper over an attendance island at McLean, but leave kids traveling over 10 miles to Langley there following a “comprehensive” review. It completely feeds the narrative that the wealthiest always get their way at Langley, while everyone else gets treated like pawns.

I’ve always found that F’ing over kids with unnecessary boundary moves is worth it so that the optics to the extreme left are slightly better and we can hurt our neighbors with our actions.

So are you going to continue to oppose these boundary changes even if Langley gets a pass? We all know your noisy little group will throw a victory party and watch happily from the sidelines as others bear the brunt of their actions.

After hundreds of pages, your argument is just: They should move Forestville kids because others will be moved.

Forgive me, I missed that criteria in the new policy. Where in 8130 does it say we should prioritize sticking it to our neighbors over kids’ mental health?

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Anonymous wrote:These past few pages are very interesting. It appears to indicate that the “Langley Brigade” would not be bothered if all the houses west of 7 that are currently zoned to Forestville (and have Herndon addresses) were shifted to either Armstrong or Aldrin. These are the types of shifts Thru has proposed up to this point: ES boundary changes that have impacts up the chain.

The angry “end transfers out” posters don’t even know where Armstrong ES is located. That indicates that the “resistance” is limited to those with a Great Falls address. That leaves Thru room to work. Thru can appear as if it has “done something” to shift Langley to Herndon by simply shifting everything west of 7 using ES boundaries.

The “transfer out” argument is silly and ineffective against the types of moves Thru has been proposing. This foolish argument places the focus on Langley to Herndon as a “pull” rather than seeing it for what it is, a “push.” The transfer out argument won’t stop a “Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong” type of move.

For example, say Thru considers moves around Tysons that require capacity relief in the Langley/Mclean/Marshall area. What to do? If they move Forestville west of 7 to Armstrong ES they are moving students from an ES school projected to be at 96% in a few years (Forestville) to one currently at 74% and projected to be at 41% (Armstrong). Arguing about 300 transfers out at the high school level does not move the needle on these elementary school transfers. But the reality is that all the people who are currently zoned for Forestville west of 7 would be shifted from Langley to Herndon with and ES level move, solving capacity concerns at the high school level in the Tysons area. Students were not “pulled” into Herndon because of some capacity vacuum created by transfers out, they were simply “pushed” there by population growth in the Tysons area.

Is that too churlish for you? Does that make me a weirdo? Maybe try to read what is written and consider the potential impacts instead of throwing around insults. Maybe I was trying to guide you to understand the true potential adjustments the Herndon border of the Langley boundary faces on 5/5 without giving FCPS and Thru a roadmap. But you chose insults and condescension and, more importantly, revealed that the Langley brigade only cares about folks East of route 7. This now gives Thru the green light to move “some” of Langley to Herndon and not upset the bulk of the opposition. You basically sold out your neighbors to sound clever on the internet.

As it currently stands, if FCPS moves people all across the county, but makes zero Langley to Herndon moves, the optics are terrible. We have seen the angry blowback previewed on this thread over the past week. Fortunately for FCPS, you can’t get out of your own way, and have given FCPS a path forward by revealing that you DGAF about the houses west of 7. Nice. You all must make lovely neighbors.

We will see what happens.

I don't think so. Both schools aren't crowded. Not moving Chantilly kids or WSHS kids looks foolish.

On that score the 4 AM poster is right. The optics are horrible if they move kids who live two miles from West Springfield out of that school, and force kids out of the Marshall pyramid just to paper over an attendance island at McLean, but leave kids traveling over 10 miles to Langley there following a “comprehensive” review. It completely feeds the narrative that the wealthiest always get their way at Langley, while everyone else gets treated like pawns.

I’ve always found that F’ing over kids with unnecessary boundary moves is worth it so that the optics to the extreme left are slightly better and we can hurt our neighbors with our actions.

So are you going to continue to oppose these boundary changes even if Langley gets a pass? We all know your noisy little group will throw a victory party and watch happily from the sidelines as others bear the brunt of their actions.

I will continue to oppose boundary changes absent urgent pressing needs, which don’t exist anywhere but Coates. I’m sorry to keep repeating myself, but you seem to keep missing it.

No areas should be moved unless families in those areas want to be moved. That’s for Langley and that’s for every other area of the county.