ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Because they aren't idiots that would alienate themselves from the rest of US soccer for the sake of parents adverse to change. Where do you think the player pool for MLSN comes from?

How would the top league that provides all the USYNT players who aren't playing overseas alienate themself from US Soccer?

They won't...that's the point

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Because they aren't idiots that would alienate themselves from the rest of US soccer for the sake of parents adverse to change. Where do you think the player pool for MLSN comes from?

How would the top league that provides all the USYNT players who aren't playing overseas alienate themself from US Soccer?

MLS Next might need to go to SY for talent id. If the best players in the youth ranks are Q4, this doesn't do them any good as they lean towards bigger, faster Q1 players for CY.

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Anonymous wrote:Only 20 of the 51 (DC included) have a cutoff of 8/1. 9/1 does not capture virtually everyone.

They are trying to avoid trapped players. An August kid in 9th grade can still play up if the cut off is 8/1 an August kid in 8th Grade can’t play down if the cut off is 9/1. An 8/1 cut off means almost no trapped kids except for the few county’s that might have a cut off before 8/1

There are only 3 states with a school cutoff of 7/31, and all others are at some point after that date. Other states may have a cutoff of say 9/30, but allow counties to move the cutoff to Aug. 1 as the earliest (see Ohio), or some other variation.

So, let's play this out. If you're a soccer governing body and you're tasked with picking a cutoff date that encompasses the entire nation, and your objective is to group kids to be in the same grade/school year, what date are you going to pick? You guessed it - Aug. 1. Because Aug 1 birthdays are going to be the oldest possible age for any grade in the US even with different school cutoff dates. The "youngest" kid in those grades will not be consistent though because of the varying cutoffs between the states and counties.

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We will all know by Monday so let’s just relax.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Because they aren't idiots that would alienate themselves from the rest of US soccer for the sake of parents adverse to change. Where do you think the player pool for MLSN comes from?

How would the top league that provides all the USYNT players who aren't playing overseas alienate themself from US Soccer?

MLS Next might need to go to SY for talent id. If the best players in the youth ranks are Q4, this doesn't do them any good as they lean towards bigger, faster Q1 players for CY.

Yes, and MLSN main selling point is college recruiting. Don't argue with pro pathway. That is what MLS Academy doing which has nothing to do with pay to play MLSN.

SY has obvious advantage to players for college recruiting. If MLSN stays in BY, it just digs a big hole. They are savvy business man. They will go to SY after tomorrow.

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Can we get this thing to 290 pages before the meeting ends tomorrow?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Because they aren't idiots that would alienate themselves from the rest of US soccer for the sake of parents adverse to change. Where do you think the player pool for MLSN comes from?

How would the top league that provides all the USYNT players who aren't playing overseas alienate themself from US Soccer?

MLS Next might need to go to SY for talent id. If the best players in the youth ranks are Q4, this doesn't do them any good as they lean towards bigger, faster Q1 players for CY.

You're saying MLSNEXT needs the players, the players don't need MLSN?

Even in England that goes by SY for yourh leagues uses CY for international and academies.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Because they aren't idiots that would alienate themselves from the rest of US soccer for the sake of parents adverse to change. Where do you think the player pool for MLSN comes from?

How would the top league that provides all the USYNT players who aren't playing overseas alienate themself from US Soccer?

MLS Next might need to go to SY for talent id. If the best players in the youth ranks are Q4, this doesn't do them any good as they lean towards bigger, faster Q1 players for CY.

Yes, and MLSN main selling point is college recruiting. Don't argue with pro pathway. That is what MLS Academy doing which has nothing to do with pay to play MLSN.

SY has obvious advantage to players for college recruiting. If MLSN stays in BY, it just digs a big hole. They are savvy business man. They will go to SY after tomorrow.

Give details on the big hole?
Since colleges want MLSN players over ECNL players.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Because they aren't idiots that would alienate themselves from the rest of US soccer for the sake of parents adverse to change. Where do you think the player pool for MLSN comes from?

How would the top league that provides all the USYNT players who aren't playing overseas alienate themself from US Soccer?

MLS Next might need to go to SY for talent id. If the best players in the youth ranks are Q4, this doesn't do them any good as they lean towards bigger, faster Q1 players for CY.

You're saying MLSNEXT needs the players, the players don't need MLSN?

Even in England that goes by SY for yourh leagues uses CY for international and academies.

That isn't true either, listen to the ECNL podcast before last. They have a gentleman from the UK on he says that even the premier league academies in the UK go by school year and when they play "internationally" they play with mixed teams. I believe the US is mirroring the UK pathway.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Because they aren't idiots that would alienate themselves from the rest of US soccer for the sake of parents adverse to change. Where do you think the player pool for MLSN comes from?

How would the top league that provides all the USYNT players who aren't playing overseas alienate themself from US Soccer?

MLS Next might need to go to SY for talent id. If the best players in the youth ranks are Q4, this doesn't do them any good as they lean towards bigger, faster Q1 players for CY.

You're saying MLSNEXT needs the players, the players don't need MLSN?

Even in England that goes by SY for yourh leagues uses CY for international and academies.

That isn't true either, listen to the ECNL podcast before last. They have a gentleman from the UK on he says that even the premier league academies in the UK go by school year and when they play "internationally" they play with mixed teams. I believe the US is mirroring the UK pathway.

Maybe we need to mirror a country who has won an International competition since the Vietnam War

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Because they aren't idiots that would alienate themselves from the rest of US soccer for the sake of parents adverse to change. Where do you think the player pool for MLSN comes from?

How would the top league that provides all the USYNT players who aren't playing overseas alienate themself from US Soccer?

MLS Next might need to go to SY for talent id. If the best players in the youth ranks are Q4, this doesn't do them any good as they lean towards bigger, faster Q1 players for CY.

You're saying MLSNEXT needs the players, the players don't need MLSN?

Even in England that goes by SY for yourh leagues uses CY for international and academies.

I'm saying that MLS Next might need to go to SY so talent id will match younger age groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Because they aren't idiots that would alienate themselves from the rest of US soccer for the sake of parents adverse to change. Where do you think the player pool for MLSN comes from?

How would the top league that provides all the USYNT players who aren't playing overseas alienate themself from US Soccer?

MLS Next might need to go to SY for talent id. If the best players in the youth ranks are Q4, this doesn't do them any good as they lean towards bigger, faster Q1 players for CY.

You're saying MLSNEXT needs the players, the players don't need MLSN?

Even in England that goes by SY for yourh leagues uses CY for international and academies.

That isn't true either, listen to the ECNL podcast before last. They have a gentleman from the UK on he says that even the premier league academies in the UK go by school year and when they play "internationally" they play with mixed teams. I believe the US is mirroring the UK pathway.

Maybe we need to mirror a country who has won an International competition since the Vietnam War

If only they knew how to train world class footballers...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we get this thing to 290 pages before the meeting ends tomorrow?

At one time I thought we’d make it to 300 but I’m not so sure anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:I just reviewed all 50 states school entry dates. 99.9% have a date after 8-1 (some random 7-31 dates and wonky county dates earlier). 90+% are no later than Sept 15th. So it seems like a no brainer that they make the date 8-1 to include virtually all kids in a grade. Then for those "tweeners" with August or September birthdays but are in a grade above, they are "allowed" to play up with their current team or other team in their correct grade classification. Much easier to allow a child to play up vs playing down.

I get that the August birthday playing up is a disadvantage as they will now be the youngest on a team. And, I guess, the child could self select to play with the grade below technically there by being the oldest. So they have an "option" to be with their current grade OR be "reverse trapped" and be the oldest on a team. Seems pretty reasonable on the surface.

You don’t understand the August kid issue. At all.

A 9/1 date captures virtually everyone, not 8/1. 8/1 carves out the August kids who had a school cut off later than 8/1.

An 8/1 date will cause a kid with an 8/2 birthday in a school jurisdiction with a 9/1 cutoff to be assigned to a team with kids a year behind them in school.

This, kids, is what we call confidently incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:We will all know by Monday so let’s just relax.

I can’t wait until Monday. I need to know by tomorrow night at the latest