ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

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Let me repeat: after 11/22, MLSN and EA will be forced to move to SY because of potential $$$ loss. Only MLS Academy will remain in BY.

Only MLS Academy is way on top. MLSN and ECNL are the same two pay-to-play leagues.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

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Go back 200ish pages and MLS staying at BY was absolutely the consensus opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Because they aren't idiots that would alienate themselves from the rest of US soccer for the sake of parents adverse to change. Where do you think the player pool for MLSN comes from?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Idiot. MLSN has nothing to do with MLS Academy, except they share the three letters. MLSN is a pay-to-play league, just like ECNL. Please do not associate it with MLS Academy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just reviewed all 50 states school entry dates. 99.9% have a date after 8-1 (some random 7-31 dates and wonky county dates earlier). 90+% are no later than Sept 15th. So it seems like a no brainer that they make the date 8-1 to include virtually all kids in a grade. Then for those "tweeners" with August or September birthdays but are in a grade above, they are "allowed" to play up with their current team or other team in their correct grade classification. Much easier to allow a child to play up vs playing down.

I get that the August birthday playing up is a disadvantage as they will now be the youngest on a team. And, I guess, the child could self select to play with the grade below technically there by being the oldest. So they have an "option" to be with their current grade OR be "reverse trapped" and be the oldest on a team. Seems pretty reasonable on the surface.

You don’t understand the August kid issue. At all.

A 9/1 date captures virtually everyone, not 8/1. 8/1 carves out the August kids who had a school cut off later than 8/1.

An 8/1 date will cause a kid with an 8/2 birthday in a school jurisdiction with a 9/1 cutoff to be assigned to a team with kids a year behind them in school.

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Anonymous wrote:What's a 'repeater'?

My guess are the Aug - Dec birthdays that will have to repeat whatever year they are in now.

So a 2011 current player is playing against 2012's next season if this passes?

How does that help the kid?

And some 2012's will play against 2013's. They're just wanting to push the age group dates which will always have some effect negative or positive, same as the current system.

Outside of that and recruiting, it HAS to be the angle of money somehow, just haven't figured out why.

I mean, they are broadcasting it, increased participation.

True, but some people refuse to believe it affects participation.

I'm on that wagon. Marginal effect, nothing major. A lot of these kids are only friends through the club, not often have I seen it be a thing where it's a deciding factor for a child to choose to play club.

I believe the argument starts before club - if kids in the rec and academy age dropout because they can't play with their grade/friends, then they will not even make it to the club level.

By me, all the clubs start in the same state league before going to other leagues later. Looking back at the number of U9 teams in the archives, 2013/14-105, 2014/15-105, 2015/16-100, changed to BY, 2016/17-84, 2017/18-86, 2018/19-76. U8 also dropped off hard, but it always has way less teams than U9 and above. This is long before teams have been established, rather a first year of club for many, so this dropoff would be less because of the disruption than because new kids were no longer interested in club soccer. People have to really try hard to ignore all the evidence that the club soccer pipeline was hurt from the switch to BY.

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Anonymous wrote:I just reviewed all 50 states school entry dates. 99.9% have a date after 8-1 (some random 7-31 dates and wonky county dates earlier). 90+% are no later than Sept 15th. So it seems like a no brainer that they make the date 8-1 to include virtually all kids in a grade. Then for those "tweeners" with August or September birthdays but are in a grade above, they are "allowed" to play up with their current team or other team in their correct grade classification. Much easier to allow a child to play up vs playing down.

I get that the August birthday playing up is a disadvantage as they will now be the youngest on a team. And, I guess, the child could self select to play with the grade below technically there by being the oldest. So they have an "option" to be with their current grade OR be "reverse trapped" and be the oldest on a team. Seems pretty reasonable on the surface.

You don’t understand the August kid issue. At all.

A 9/1 date captures virtually everyone, not 8/1. 8/1 carves out the August kids who had a school cut off later than 8/1.

An 8/1 date will cause a kid with an 8/2 birthday in a school jurisdiction with a 9/1 cutoff to be assigned to a team with kids a year behind them in school.

Only 20 of the 51 (DC included) have a cutoff of 8/1. 9/1 does not capture virtually everyone.

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Only 20 of the 51 (DC included) have a cutoff of 8/1. 9/1 does not capture virtually everyone.

They are trying to avoid trapped players. An August kid in 9th grade can still play up if the cut off is 8/1 an August kid in 8th Grade can’t play down if the cut off is 9/1. An 8/1 cut off means almost no trapped kids except for the few county’s that might have a cut off before 8/1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Idiot. MLSN has nothing to do with MLS Academy, except they share the three letters. MLSN is a pay-to-play league, just like ECNL. Please do not associate it with MLS Academy.

Which league does the MLS club academies play in?
Do they only play each other in another league outside MLSN?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what MLS Next clubs are doing?

Most likely the same. It has been announced as well.

I haven't seen any MLS Next announcement. Can you point to it? Thanks

There is no MLS Next announcement per se that I know, but it has been addressed in our MLS Next club. Given that this is a consolidated effort at the US youth soccer. Most leagues will be affected by this.

I predicted MLS would be forced to change before, and some jerks argued with me.

To be fair, I think it is just one prolific BY poster. MLSN was the last bastion of hope.

Multiple people with sense have used logic to understand that MLS Next being the top league which includes the country's only professional academies would have absolutely no need to follow what the lower league in ecnl is doing.

Why would they?

Because they aren't idiots that would alienate themselves from the rest of US soccer for the sake of parents adverse to change. Where do you think the player pool for MLSN comes from?

How would the top league that provides all the USYNT players who aren't playing overseas alienate themself from US Soccer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just reviewed all 50 states school entry dates. 99.9% have a date after 8-1 (some random 7-31 dates and wonky county dates earlier). 90+% are no later than Sept 15th. So it seems like a no brainer that they make the date 8-1 to include virtually all kids in a grade. Then for those "tweeners" with August or September birthdays but are in a grade above, they are "allowed" to play up with their current team or other team in their correct grade classification. Much easier to allow a child to play up vs playing down.

I get that the August birthday playing up is a disadvantage as they will now be the youngest on a team. And, I guess, the child could self select to play with the grade below technically there by being the oldest. So they have an "option" to be with their current grade OR be "reverse trapped" and be the oldest on a team. Seems pretty reasonable on the surface.

You don’t understand the August kid issue. At all.

A 9/1 date captures virtually everyone, not 8/1. 8/1 carves out the August kids who had a school cut off later than 8/1.

An 8/1 date will cause a kid with an 8/2 birthday in a school jurisdiction with a 9/1 cutoff to be assigned to a team with kids a year behind them in school.

PP understands, they got it right. 9-1 gives August players options, 8-1 does not. Full stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just reviewed all 50 states school entry dates. 99.9% have a date after 8-1 (some random 7-31 dates and wonky county dates earlier). 90+% are no later than Sept 15th. So it seems like a no brainer that they make the date 8-1 to include virtually all kids in a grade. Then for those "tweeners" with August or September birthdays but are in a grade above, they are "allowed" to play up with their current team or other team in their correct grade classification. Much easier to allow a child to play up vs playing down.

I get that the August birthday playing up is a disadvantage as they will now be the youngest on a team. And, I guess, the child could self select to play with the grade below technically there by being the oldest. So they have an "option" to be with their current grade OR be "reverse trapped" and be the oldest on a team. Seems pretty reasonable on the surface.

You don’t understand the August kid issue. At all.

A 9/1 date captures virtually everyone, not 8/1. 8/1 carves out the August kids who had a school cut off later than 8/1.

An 8/1 date will cause a kid with an 8/2 birthday in a school jurisdiction with a 9/1 cutoff to be assigned to a team with kids a year behind them in school.

PP understands, they got it right. 9-1 gives August players options, 8-1 does not. Full stop.

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PP understands, they got it right. 8-1 gives August players options, 9-1 does not. Full stop.