FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:How many students are leaving Armstrong for IB/AP placements? For a foreign language? Any? Are all those elementary school kids transferring out?

Huh?

AP, IB and language transfers are a high school thing.

Exactly. That’s why the “300 transfers out” argument is weak and silly. You should be focused on ES boundaries and their impact on HS attendance.

If a couple of hundred students are pupil placing out of a school for AP/IB, that has a direct effect on the membership of a school. So, you think the answer is to send another area to that school?

When a large number exit for AP/IB and that is out of the norm for high schools, something else is going on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many students are leaving Armstrong for IB/AP placements? For a foreign language? Any? Are all those elementary school kids transferring out?

Huh?

AP, IB and language transfers are a high school thing.

Exactly. That’s why the “300 transfers out” argument is weak and silly. You should be focused on ES boundaries and their impact on HS attendance.

The “300 transfers out” matter for the HS capacity % presented. It should include all in boundary students along with explanation of changes or improvements that would make the kids stay. There is no school provided transportation and yet hundreds of kids are leaving.

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Anonymous wrote:If FCPS zones part of Forestville ES to Armstrong, would anyone in that zone shift up too? Would a HS student previously in the Forestville boundary but now in the Armstrong boundary be shifted from Langley to Herndon, or would that “prior Forestville” become a split feeder?

I think they would look to move everyone to the new pyramid except for grandfathered kids. But who knows. They’ve been incredibly coy about the actual reason and goals for the comprehensive review

But making all those pupil placed kids come back would prevent that, right? Armstrong would be full, right?

If you think the school board should consider pupil placement over boundary changes, I’d recommend reaching out to them tonight or tomorrow to express that opinion.

Great idea. How many students are pupil placed out of Armstrong each year?

Elementary schools don't pupil place.

You need to research the structure and programs available at FCPS

You are catching on. Slowly….

It’s so telling that multiple posts have called you out on your ridiculousness, but you’re still acting like the cat that caught the canary. If you want to make your point, just say it. Otherwise you come off as a churlish little girl.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on, folks.

Let’s be realistic. The school board will never approve a move from Langley to Herndon. Herndon is over 60% capacity, and when/if South Lakes High School (SLHS) closes to transfers, Herndon’s enrollment will only increase.

Let’s stop talking about that scenario. It’s a waste of time.

They seem fairly anchored to leaving schools within the 60-105% range alone, but that's just one of their "guiding principles." They also refer to alignment with Policy 8130 and the SB (if not Thru) could identify that as an independent basis to move kids from Langley to Herndon regardless of whether Langley is over 105% or Herndon under 60%.

I'm not advocating for this. I just think that, politically, the optics are horrible if they propose to move kids who live within a mile or two of West Springfield to Lewis or South County, and do nothing to move at least some Langley kids to Herndon when Herndon is much closer. It makes it look as if all the talk about transportation efficiencies was a sham and they got bullied into leaving Langley alone. I've heard all the arguments about how traffic is worse in Herndon so the commuting times wouldn't be reduced as much as you'd think, but people will look at the maps and draw their own conclusions.

They don't really care about optics when it comes to Langley/Herndon.

For the past ten years, I've heard talk of moving Great Falls kids from Langley to Herndon. For some reason, certain posters keep bringing it up.

Doesn’t matter what they think. It's not going to happen.

Full stop.

Why because you and your rich friends founded some sort of association that is lobbying against it? Donating thousands to school board members? You're trying to buy your way out of being rezoned and everybody knows it.

I am in FairFACTs Matters and no where close to Langley nor Herndon. Nor WSHS and Lewis.

There’s also no requirement to donate anything.

+2 it’s literally just a FB group. You can join it whenever you want!

A Fb group that raised over $50,000.

They regularly pay for FOIA requests, which add up.

I wouldn't donate to them, but I hope they are using the funds for what they were intended for.

Thanks for that information. Sad that there has to be a group that needs FOIA. I am grateful to those who donate. If FCPS would be more transparent, FOIA would not be necessary.

It was only through FairFacts’ advocacy that the BRAC member list was disclosed and that they started putting their meeting notes online. Otherwise we’d all be in the dark about this.

Also noting they just posted this. Thus far, this has been the only way for community members to engage with the closed-door BRAC. The pyramid nor special interest members are not doing this unless you happen to have a direct connection.

“For those looking to send community feedback, please email us at [e-mail] with your questions or comments. We have already submitted three communications reflecting community feedback and will continue to share the most commonly asked questions moving forward. We will provide previous communications with community feedback below.“

How disgusting that these people are only sharing information with a small handful of members of the county who live in one specific area and not everyone.

Also it's clearly not a Facebook group when they have their own domain.

Maybe you don’t understand. Fairfacts matters is soliciting feedback to provide to Fairfax County, since they have spots on BRAC now. They are opening the dialogue to everyone across the county, not just one particular pyramid. Oh, and it seems that anyone can join- it’s a county-wide organization.

I’m guessing you understand and that you are just desperately trying to make them the bad guy, but just in case you didn’t understand, I figured i would directly address your concerns.

Are they politically motivated? Just answer the question.

If you're asking if the group is a bunch of Republicans calling attention to school boundaries in an effort to swing elections, the answer is a definitive "no."

There are certainly a handful of republicans who reminded the group in its first weeks that they voted for the fairfax dems who have had re-districting for equity on their agenda for years now. A few independents who tell the group to accept equity redistricting as the price to pay for all the dem stuff they want their school board to do.

Mostly it's democrats who just want to stay democrats and to work with the board for the outcome they want. The LAST thing they want is to vote for republicans or be called republicans.

Thanks, I just have nightmares about Joanne Sears and Rory Cooper whose open FCPS effort had a very clear Republican agenda and whose agenda worked - angry mommas elected Glenn Youngkin. I don't want a repeat of that.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on, folks.

Let’s be realistic. The school board will never approve a move from Langley to Herndon. Herndon is over 60% capacity, and when/if South Lakes High School (SLHS) closes to transfers, Herndon’s enrollment will only increase.

Let’s stop talking about that scenario. It’s a waste of time.

They seem fairly anchored to leaving schools within the 60-105% range alone, but that's just one of their "guiding principles." They also refer to alignment with Policy 8130 and the SB (if not Thru) could identify that as an independent basis to move kids from Langley to Herndon regardless of whether Langley is over 105% or Herndon under 60%.

I'm not advocating for this. I just think that, politically, the optics are horrible if they propose to move kids who live within a mile or two of West Springfield to Lewis or South County, and do nothing to move at least some Langley kids to Herndon when Herndon is much closer. It makes it look as if all the talk about transportation efficiencies was a sham and they got bullied into leaving Langley alone. I've heard all the arguments about how traffic is worse in Herndon so the commuting times wouldn't be reduced as much as you'd think, but people will look at the maps and draw their own conclusions.

They don't really care about optics when it comes to Langley/Herndon.

For the past ten years, I've heard talk of moving Great Falls kids from Langley to Herndon. For some reason, certain posters keep bringing it up.

Doesn’t matter what they think. It's not going to happen.

Full stop.

Why because you and your rich friends founded some sort of association that is lobbying against it? Donating thousands to school board members? You're trying to buy your way out of being rezoned and everybody knows it.

I am in FairFACTs Matters and no where close to Langley nor Herndon. Nor WSHS and Lewis.

There’s also no requirement to donate anything.

+2 it’s literally just a FB group. You can join it whenever you want!

A Fb group that raised over $50,000.

They regularly pay for FOIA requests, which add up.

I wouldn't donate to them, but I hope they are using the funds for what they were intended for.

Thanks for that information. Sad that there has to be a group that needs FOIA. I am grateful to those who donate. If FCPS would be more transparent, FOIA would not be necessary.

It was only through FairFacts’ advocacy that the BRAC member list was disclosed and that they started putting their meeting notes online. Otherwise we’d all be in the dark about this.

Also noting they just posted this. Thus far, this has been the only way for community members to engage with the closed-door BRAC. The pyramid nor special interest members are not doing this unless you happen to have a direct connection.

“For those looking to send community feedback, please email us at [e-mail] with your questions or comments. We have already submitted three communications reflecting community feedback and will continue to share the most commonly asked questions moving forward. We will provide previous communications with community feedback below.“

How disgusting that these people are only sharing information with a small handful of members of the county who live in one specific area and not everyone.

Also it's clearly not a Facebook group when they have their own domain.

Maybe you don’t understand. Fairfacts matters is soliciting feedback to provide to Fairfax County, since they have spots on BRAC now. They are opening the dialogue to everyone across the county, not just one particular pyramid. Oh, and it seems that anyone can join- it’s a county-wide organization.

I’m guessing you understand and that you are just desperately trying to make them the bad guy, but just in case you didn’t understand, I figured i would directly address your concerns.

Are they politically motivated? Just answer the question.

If you're asking if the group is a bunch of Republicans calling attention to school boundaries in an effort to swing elections, the answer is a definitive "no."

There are certainly a handful of republicans who reminded the group in its first weeks that they voted for the fairfax dems who have had re-districting for equity on their agenda for years now. A few independents who tell the group to accept equity redistricting as the price to pay for all the dem stuff they want their school board to do.

Mostly it's democrats who just want to stay democrats and to work with the board for the outcome they want. The LAST thing they want is to vote for republicans or be called republicans.

Thanks, I just have nightmares about Joanne Sears and Rory Cooper whose open FCPS effort had a very clear Republican agenda and whose agenda worked - angry mommas elected Glenn Youngkin. I don't want a repeat of that.

And, you think shifting kids all over the county is going to elect a Democrat?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many students are leaving Armstrong for IB/AP placements? For a foreign language? Any? Are all those elementary school kids transferring out?

Huh?

AP, IB and language transfers are a high school thing.

Exactly. That’s why the “300 transfers out” argument is weak and silly. You should be focused on ES boundaries and their impact on HS attendance.

If a couple of hundred students are pupil placing out of a school for AP/IB, that has a direct effect on the membership of a school. So, you think the answer is to send another area to that school?

When a large number exit for AP/IB and that is out of the norm for high schools, something else is going on.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many students are leaving Armstrong for IB/AP placements? For a foreign language? Any? Are all those elementary school kids transferring out?

Huh?

AP, IB and language transfers are a high school thing.

Exactly. That’s why the “300 transfers out” argument is weak and silly. You should be focused on ES boundaries and their impact on HS attendance.

The “300 transfers out” matter for the HS capacity % presented. It should include all in boundary students along with explanation of changes or improvements that would make the kids stay. There is no school provided transportation and yet hundreds of kids are leaving.

+ 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many students are leaving Armstrong for IB/AP placements? For a foreign language? Any? Are all those elementary school kids transferring out?

Huh?

AP, IB and language transfers are a high school thing.

Exactly. That’s why the “300 transfers out” argument is weak and silly. You should be focused on ES boundaries and their impact on HS attendance.

The number of transfers out of IB high schools is the first issue that should be solved, by eliminating IB and closing that transfer loophole.

Your rant about some random elementary school has nothing to do with finding a solution to keep the 250-300 students transferring out of the IB schools.

Fix that problem by eliminating IB, and suddenly there is no need to rezone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Come on, folks.

Let’s be realistic. The school board will never approve a move from Langley to Herndon. Herndon is over 60% capacity, and when/if South Lakes High School (SLHS) closes to transfers, Herndon’s enrollment will only increase.

Let’s stop talking about that scenario. It’s a waste of time.

They seem fairly anchored to leaving schools within the 60-105% range alone, but that's just one of their "guiding principles." They also refer to alignment with Policy 8130 and the SB (if not Thru) could identify that as an independent basis to move kids from Langley to Herndon regardless of whether Langley is over 105% or Herndon under 60%.

I'm not advocating for this. I just think that, politically, the optics are horrible if they propose to move kids who live within a mile or two of West Springfield to Lewis or South County, and do nothing to move at least some Langley kids to Herndon when Herndon is much closer. It makes it look as if all the talk about transportation efficiencies was a sham and they got bullied into leaving Langley alone. I've heard all the arguments about how traffic is worse in Herndon so the commuting times wouldn't be reduced as much as you'd think, but people will look at the maps and draw their own conclusions.

They don't really care about optics when it comes to Langley/Herndon.

For the past ten years, I've heard talk of moving Great Falls kids from Langley to Herndon. For some reason, certain posters keep bringing it up.

Doesn’t matter what they think. It's not going to happen.

Full stop.

Why because you and your rich friends founded some sort of association that is lobbying against it? Donating thousands to school board members? You're trying to buy your way out of being rezoned and everybody knows it.

I am in FairFACTs Matters and no where close to Langley nor Herndon. Nor WSHS and Lewis.

There’s also no requirement to donate anything.

+2 it’s literally just a FB group. You can join it whenever you want!

A Fb group that raised over $50,000.

They regularly pay for FOIA requests, which add up.

I wouldn't donate to them, but I hope they are using the funds for what they were intended for.

Thanks for that information. Sad that there has to be a group that needs FOIA. I am grateful to those who donate. If FCPS would be more transparent, FOIA would not be necessary.

It was only through FairFacts’ advocacy that the BRAC member list was disclosed and that they started putting their meeting notes online. Otherwise we’d all be in the dark about this.

Also noting they just posted this. Thus far, this has been the only way for community members to engage with the closed-door BRAC. The pyramid nor special interest members are not doing this unless you happen to have a direct connection.

“For those looking to send community feedback, please email us at [e-mail] with your questions or comments. We have already submitted three communications reflecting community feedback and will continue to share the most commonly asked questions moving forward. We will provide previous communications with community feedback below.“

How disgusting that these people are only sharing information with a small handful of members of the county who live in one specific area and not everyone.

Also it's clearly not a Facebook group when they have their own domain.

Maybe you don’t understand. Fairfacts matters is soliciting feedback to provide to Fairfax County, since they have spots on BRAC now. They are opening the dialogue to everyone across the county, not just one particular pyramid. Oh, and it seems that anyone can join- it’s a county-wide organization.

I’m guessing you understand and that you are just desperately trying to make them the bad guy, but just in case you didn’t understand, I figured i would directly address your concerns.

Are they politically motivated? Just answer the question.

If you're asking if the group is a bunch of Republicans calling attention to school boundaries in an effort to swing elections, the answer is a definitive "no."

There are certainly a handful of republicans who reminded the group in its first weeks that they voted for the fairfax dems who have had re-districting for equity on their agenda for years now. A few independents who tell the group to accept equity redistricting as the price to pay for all the dem stuff they want their school board to do.

Mostly it's democrats who just want to stay democrats and to work with the board for the outcome they want. The LAST thing they want is to vote for republicans or be called republicans.

Thanks, I just have nightmares about Joanne Sears and Rory Cooper whose open FCPS effort had a very clear Republican agenda and whose agenda worked - angry mommas elected Glenn Youngkin. I don't want a repeat of that.

Who cares ifthey are republican activists?

They are taxpaying residents, and have just as much right to push their cause as all of you far left activists.

At least their focus is on improving schools and building transparency, instead of using kids for political pawns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many students are leaving Armstrong for IB/AP placements? For a foreign language? Any? Are all those elementary school kids transferring out?

Huh?

AP, IB and language transfers are a high school thing.

Exactly. That’s why the “300 transfers out” argument is weak and silly. You should be focused on ES boundaries and their impact on HS attendance.

The number of transfers out of IB high schools is the first issue that should be solved, by eliminating IB and closing that transfer loophole.

Your rant about some random elementary school has nothing to do with finding a solution to keep the 250-300 students transferring out of the IB schools.

Fix that problem by eliminating IB, and suddenly there is no need to rezone.

It works in reverse, as well. Kids leaving a school for IB.

A cursory check of transfers in and out shows which schools have issues. Most schools lose a handful. A couple of school lose hundreds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many students are leaving Armstrong for IB/AP placements? For a foreign language? Any? Are all those elementary school kids transferring out?

Huh?

AP, IB and language transfers are a high school thing.

Exactly. That’s why the “300 transfers out” argument is weak and silly. You should be focused on ES boundaries and their impact on HS attendance.

The number of transfers out of IB high schools is the first issue that should be solved, by eliminating IB and closing that transfer loophole.

Your rant about some random elementary school has nothing to do with finding a solution to keep the 250-300 students transferring out of the IB schools.

Fix that problem by eliminating IB, and suddenly there is no need to rezone.

It works in reverse, as well. Kids leaving a school for IB.

A cursory check of transfers in and out shows which schools have issues. Most schools lose a handful. A couple of school lose hundreds.

There is only one school where kids leave for IB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many students are leaving Armstrong for IB/AP placements? For a foreign language? Any? Are all those elementary school kids transferring out?

Huh?

AP, IB and language transfers are a high school thing.

Exactly. That’s why the “300 transfers out” argument is weak and silly. You should be focused on ES boundaries and their impact on HS attendance.

The number of transfers out of IB high schools is the first issue that should be solved, by eliminating IB and closing that transfer loophole.

Your rant about some random elementary school has nothing to do with finding a solution to keep the 250-300 students transferring out of the IB schools.

Fix that problem by eliminating IB, and suddenly there is no need to rezone.

It works in reverse, as well. Kids leaving a school for IB.

A cursory check of transfers in and out shows which schools have issues. Most schools lose a handful. A couple of school lose hundreds.

There is only one school where kids leave for IB.

Herndon? Annandale? Lewis?

I smell a pattern.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many students are leaving Armstrong for IB/AP placements? For a foreign language? Any? Are all those elementary school kids transferring out?

Huh?

AP, IB and language transfers are a high school thing.

Exactly. That’s why the “300 transfers out” argument is weak and silly. You should be focused on ES boundaries and their impact on HS attendance.

The number of transfers out of IB high schools is the first issue that should be solved, by eliminating IB and closing that transfer loophole.

Your rant about some random elementary school has nothing to do with finding a solution to keep the 250-300 students transferring out of the IB schools.

Fix that problem by eliminating IB, and suddenly there is no need to rezone.

You forgot to say “Full Stop.” You usually say “Full Stop.” Did someone finally pull you aside and say “Stop, fool, you sound like a tool.”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many students are leaving Armstrong for IB/AP placements? For a foreign language? Any? Are all those elementary school kids transferring out?

Huh?

AP, IB and language transfers are a high school thing.

Exactly. That’s why the “300 transfers out” argument is weak and silly. You should be focused on ES boundaries and their impact on HS attendance.

The number of transfers out of IB high schools is the first issue that should be solved, by eliminating IB and closing that transfer loophole.

Your rant about some random elementary school has nothing to do with finding a solution to keep the 250-300 students transferring out of the IB schools.

Fix that problem by eliminating IB, and suddenly there is no need to rezone.

You forgot to say “Full Stop.” You usually say “Full Stop.” Did someone finally pull you aside and say “Stop, fool, you sound like a tool.”?

What are you talking about??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many students are leaving Armstrong for IB/AP placements? For a foreign language? Any? Are all those elementary school kids transferring out?

Huh?

AP, IB and language transfers are a high school thing.

Exactly. That’s why the “300 transfers out” argument is weak and silly. You should be focused on ES boundaries and their impact on HS attendance.

The number of transfers out of IB high schools is the first issue that should be solved, by eliminating IB and closing that transfer loophole.

Your rant about some random elementary school has nothing to do with finding a solution to keep the 250-300 students transferring out of the IB schools.

Fix that problem by eliminating IB, and suddenly there is no need to rezone.

You forgot to say “Full Stop.” You usually say “Full Stop.” Did someone finally pull you aside and say “Stop, fool, you sound like a tool.”?

What an odd post.