Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Yes it will be interesting to see. She is clear in her amended complaint that someone else experienced similar behaviour and complained as well. It that is really a lie as most think it is given their belief that this was all a long con to get control of the movie and rights and all her allegations are lies to cover for her real reason…then it will become clear at the time of disposition that this second person doesn’t exist. I wonder if Baldoni’s response will outright deny this second complainant exists.

I really don't think it's a lie. Jennifer and Melissa thought he was a creep as well. The issue is being uncomfortable is not sexual harrassment. Justin can't deny because from the texts we know Jennifer talked about there being multiple complaints too.

Most people on here think it is a lie as her only goal was to take creative control of the movie and get her rights to the next movie and that none of this uncomfortable behaviour she alleges ever happened. That she made it up as a cover. That from day 1 she had created an evil scheme plot to take over the movie.

We don’t know what all happened on set so whether or not it was sexual harassment isn’t something I think anyone can speak to definitively. I tend to believe that there were a lot of things he did that made some on set uncomfortable and those may amount to sexual harassment (or not). I know I will get called all kinds of names for saying that but I just don’t see this as he did nothing wrong and she set out from day 1 to vindictively ruin him and take over the movie.

Well i agree with you so you're not the only one on this board with that opinion! It's a shame people are so black and white their thinking and aren't looking at it with a nuance POV. I don't think it's intentional but I think he's weird and has a lack different boundaries causing uncomfortable situations. However I do think she took advantage of his inappropriate behavior and thought of herself as a "savior" of some sorts for movie. I don't think she initially signed on to take the movie either. Justin had already given her a lot of creative control that it was easy to progress.

I feel terribly for these other women though. They reported him and tried to move on. They did not want this lawsuit and are going to be relentlessly dragged because blake went about this the wrong way.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes it will be interesting to see. She is clear in her amended complaint that someone else experienced similar behaviour and complained as well. It that is really a lie as most think it is given their belief that this was all a long con to get control of the movie and rights and all her allegations are lies to cover for her real reason…then it will become clear at the time of disposition that this second person doesn’t exist. I wonder if Baldoni’s response will outright deny this second complainant exists.

I really don't think it's a lie. Jennifer and Melissa thought he was a creep as well. The issue is being uncomfortable is not sexual harrassment. Justin can't deny because from the texts we know Jennifer talked about there being multiple complaints too.

Most people on here think it is a lie as her only goal was to take creative control of the movie and get her rights to the next movie and that none of this uncomfortable behaviour she alleges ever happened. That she made it up as a cover. That from day 1 she had created an evil scheme plot to take over the movie.

We don’t know what all happened on set so whether or not it was sexual harassment isn’t something I think anyone can speak to definitively. I tend to believe that there were a lot of things he did that made some on set uncomfortable and those may amount to sexual harassment (or not). I know I will get called all kinds of names for saying that but I just don’t see this as he did nothing wrong and she set out from day 1 to vindictively ruin him and take over the movie.

Well i agree with you so you're not the only one on this board with that opinion! It's a shame people are so black and white their thinking and aren't looking at it with a nuance POV. I don't think it's intentional but I think he's weird and has a lack different boundaries causing uncomfortable situations. However I do think she took advantage of his inappropriate behavior and thought of herself as a "savior" of some sorts for movie. I don't think she initially signed on to take the movie either. Justin had already given her a lot of creative control that it was easy to progress.

I feel terribly for these other women though. They reported him and tried to move on. They did not want this lawsuit and are going to be relentlessly dragged because blake went about this the wrong way.

I have no idea what those other women want or don't want. I don't think they have spoken publically yet. Blake seems to go about many things with a fire hose as a way to show she is an advocate or to make her point. I do agree there are a few other people who have a more nuanced look on here but they are drowned out by the Baldoni fan club who post incessantly. There are other boards who look at both sides in a more balanced way and the +s and -s of each.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

I agree with this. This is where I have a hard time with the very pro-Baldoni crowd. Even if you only read HIS complaint, there is stuff he admits to doing that I'm like "wtf." I don't consider myself pro-Lively so much as in favor of letting the litigation hopefully reveal the truth, which I think is likely somewhere between their two narratives. But I have some serious side eye for both of them on some of their behavior, including Baldoni and Heath for sure. And actually, that's why I feel like we need to wait for more info, hear from 3rd parties, etc. Because it's clear to me that they did some stuff that I personally think is inappropriate but are now trying to justify it. Even if what they did doesn't rise to the legal level of sexual harassment, I have questions.

I'm with you. I tend to think she is a diva, he did some inappropriate things that were not best practice but maybe not sexual harassment, she raised issues partially because she was uncomfortable and partially for leverage, he couldn't control her "creative input" so she just kept going and going and every time he thought he would finally get her to sign her damned contract by giving in to her crazy demands she was just like "no" and demanded more and more, and he was also legitimately concerned that some of the stuff on set that made her "uncomfortable" was going to cause very bad optics for him because while blown out of proportion it probably wasn't completely made up either. And then there were several instances of both of them upping the ante. If she hadn't cut him out of promotional stuff, he probably wouldn't have hired the crisis PR. If he hadn't hired the crisis PR, she probably wouldn't have gone to the NYT with her complaint. And if she hadn't done that, he wouldn't be counter-suing her and releasing all this tea that makes her look like a joke (the texts, the videos). And she's probably going to do something big next that will make it even worse for him (maybe there really are other complaints, who knows). There's so many twists and turns. I can't truly root for either of them, but there will be times when I feel compelled to defend one or the other on this thread.

+1 that's exactly my theory! You said it better then I did lol. She took advantage of the situation to in return get more creative decisions. From there it quickly spun out of control. Ryan's involvement? He's simply a terrible person. This will permanently stain all of whatever the careers they have left.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes it will be interesting to see. She is clear in her amended complaint that someone else experienced similar behaviour and complained as well. It that is really a lie as most think it is given their belief that this was all a long con to get control of the movie and rights and all her allegations are lies to cover for her real reason…then it will become clear at the time of disposition that this second person doesn’t exist. I wonder if Baldoni’s response will outright deny this second complainant exists.

I really don't think it's a lie. Jennifer and Melissa thought he was a creep as well. The issue is being uncomfortable is not sexual harrassment. Justin can't deny because from the texts we know Jennifer talked about there being multiple complaints too.

Most people on here think it is a lie as her only goal was to take creative control of the movie and get her rights to the next movie and that none of this uncomfortable behaviour she alleges ever happened. That she made it up as a cover. That from day 1 she had created an evil scheme plot to take over the movie.

We don’t know what all happened on set so whether or not it was sexual harassment isn’t something I think anyone can speak to definitively. I tend to believe that there were a lot of things he did that made some on set uncomfortable and those may amount to sexual harassment (or not). I know I will get called all kinds of names for saying that but I just don’t see this as he did nothing wrong and she set out from day 1 to vindictively ruin him and take over the movie.

Well i agree with you so you're not the only one on this board with that opinion! It's a shame people are so black and white their thinking and aren't looking at it with a nuance POV. I don't think it's intentional but I think he's weird and has a lack different boundaries causing uncomfortable situations. However I do think she took advantage of his inappropriate behavior and thought of herself as a "savior" of some sorts for movie. I don't think she initially signed on to take the movie either. Justin had already given her a lot of creative control that it was easy to progress.

I feel terribly for these other women though. They reported him and tried to move on. They did not want this lawsuit and are going to be relentlessly dragged because blake went about this the wrong way.

I have no idea what those other women want or don't want. I don't think they have spoken publically yet. Blake seems to go about many things with a fire hose as a way to show she is an advocate or to make her point. I do agree there are a few other people who have a more nuanced look on here but they are drowned out by the Baldoni fan club who post incessantly. There are other boards who look at both sides in a more balanced way and the +s and -s of each.

I am assuming they didn't want a lawsuit since they haven't been added on to Blake's. This was definitely a huge mistep on her side.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes it will be interesting to see. She is clear in her amended complaint that someone else experienced similar behaviour and complained as well. It that is really a lie as most think it is given their belief that this was all a long con to get control of the movie and rights and all her allegations are lies to cover for her real reason…then it will become clear at the time of disposition that this second person doesn’t exist. I wonder if Baldoni’s response will outright deny this second complainant exists.

I really don't think it's a lie. Jennifer and Melissa thought he was a creep as well. The issue is being uncomfortable is not sexual harrassment. Justin can't deny because from the texts we know Jennifer talked about there being multiple complaints too.

Most people on here think it is a lie as her only goal was to take creative control of the movie and get her rights to the next movie and that none of this uncomfortable behaviour she alleges ever happened. That she made it up as a cover. That from day 1 she had created an evil scheme plot to take over the movie.

We don’t know what all happened on set so whether or not it was sexual harassment isn’t something I think anyone can speak to definitively. I tend to believe that there were a lot of things he did that made some on set uncomfortable and those may amount to sexual harassment (or not). I know I will get called all kinds of names for saying that but I just don’t see this as he did nothing wrong and she set out from day 1 to vindictively ruin him and take over the movie.

Well i agree with you so you're not the only one on this board with that opinion! It's a shame people are so black and white their thinking and aren't looking at it with a nuance POV. I don't think it's intentional but I think he's weird and has a lack different boundaries causing uncomfortable situations. However I do think she took advantage of his inappropriate behavior and thought of herself as a "savior" of some sorts for movie. I don't think she initially signed on to take the movie either. Justin had already given her a lot of creative control that it was easy to progress.

I feel terribly for these other women though. They reported him and tried to move on. They did not want this lawsuit and are going to be relentlessly dragged because blake went about this the wrong way.

I have no idea what those other women want or don't want. I don't think they have spoken publically yet. Blake seems to go about many things with a fire hose as a way to show she is an advocate or to make her point. I do agree there are a few other people who have a more nuanced look on here but they are drowned out by the Baldoni fan club who post incessantly. There are other boards who look at both sides in a more balanced way and the +s and -s of each.

I am assuming they didn't want a lawsuit since they haven't been added on to Blake's. This was definitely a huge mistep on her side.

Unfortunately any public attention on these kinds of things leads to lots of rape and death threats and threats against people's children and many other really horrible things that cause people to have to live in fear. I am pretty sure everyone on both sides of this suit has now been the target of that. I can absolutely see not wanting to bring that into my or my family's life no matter what happened on set.

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Anonymous wrote:Something seems fishy to me when the flood of negative Instagram comments on Lively's hair launch or whatever involved user accounts that had no followers or no prior posts.

I think Wallace flooded social media with negative commentary about Lively, in the same way Heard was flooded, and that it generally turned public opinion against Lively in the same way it worked for Heard. Both of these women had negative personality traits that could easily be used against them, both had stuff out there that could be posted and made fun of. Abel was out there doing some of this work on her own, i.e., having "our digital side boost this [TikTok of some woman defending Baldoni] in the am." So they were boosting stories and pumping negatives at Lively. Meanwhile Abel was also saying they were using far more sophisticated techniques on social media than just using bots.

I also saw the complaint alleges at paras. 280-81 that Lively or her PR rep were checking in with each other and making sure they weren't doing the same against Baldoni & co. at some point - i.e., making sure they were not retaliating/planting stories so that they would have clean hands when the time came etc. So basically the flood of negatives coming from Abel/Wallace and co. were undefended, and maybe in some ways still are because of the lawsuit. And after a certain point, it doesn't matter, because everyone has read all the negative stuff and believes it, and believes that's what defines the case.

I think a lot will depend on what discovery is obtained from Wallace. Precisely what was he doing to earn the $75-$175K that he proposed to be paid for this work, and how much was he ultimately paid etc?

I don't think Sarowitz comes off well.

Nah, Blair is very very good at making the public hate her all on her own.

Doesn’t seem to be what happened here from the events described in the complaint, and clearly Wallace was doing *something*. It will depend on discovery imho.

Yes, but I find the Complaint overwrought and not persuasive in the least.

Okay. I disagree. The Baldoni team social media campaign seems retaliatory and punitive and, frankly (since folks on Baldoni’s side have used the word repeatedly), evil. Sarowitz’s remarks about retaliation don’t seem like they’re coming from a good place. They wanted Lively to get the Amber Heard treatment and they got what they wanted. Don’t understand how some people are seeing Baldoni as some kind of hero here — but given the PR campaign, I guess I do. He went after her deliberately. That sucks.

Hot felon became famous. Lu-whatever his name is kills a dad in cold blood and groups support him. It’s a weird world.

Hit felon turned the tables on gun violence by actually attacking (arguably) bad people who were literally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people instead of attacking innocent children.

Here, Lively wasn’t killing anyone, whether you believe her SH complaints or not. According to her complaint, she and other women in the set did have complaints about Baldoni, and talked about them, and raised them under the understanding (and specific agreement from Baldoni and the production company) that there would be no retaliation. Maybe Baldoni looks back now and says hey those issues were not so bad. But he signed the doc saying they wouldn’t happen any more and there would be no retaliation. But the PR scheme cooked up by Abel and Wallace was vile. Maybe that part is so old that it doesn’t hit you anymore, or maybe because you only see Lively as a bad person who people would obviously say bad things about you think it was fine, but that deliberate campaign to encourage the public to focus on all of the worst parts of someone and all the gleeful commentary that accompanied it, is wrong and, yes, evil. Worse than anything Lively did, for sure.

My post was in response to the question in post above it that said “Don’t understand how some people are seeing Baldoni as some kind of hero here.” The point is, can be arrested/charged with all kinds of crimes and there will be an audience to defend and support the person. That such an audience exists doesn’t mean I agree with them.

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Well well well. The SNL “joke” was all Ryan’s idea (and presumably facilitated by Ari thru Lorne)…

https://pagesix.com/2025/02/19/entertainment/ryan-reynolds-pitched-snl-50-joke-about-justin-baldoni-legal-drama-staffer-claims/

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Your wife claims she was brutally sexually harassed & the first thing you do when you make your first public appearance together in a while is... orchestrate a joke about it? Fraudster psychopaths.

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Anonymous wrote:Well well well. The SNL “joke” was all Ryan’s idea (and presumably facilitated by Ari thru Lorne)…

https://pagesix.com/2025/02/19/entertainment/ryan-reynolds-pitched-snl-50-joke-about-justin-baldoni-legal-drama-staffer-claims/

That doesn't say the banter was his idea. After rehearsals he pitched to change what he would answer. We don't know what the original line would have been.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

NP. Obviously she didn’t mean literally but we all get it, and agree. Ryan and Blake went nuclear and then BL ran to play the victim. No one’s buying it

See, I feel JB is playing the victim. He makes it sound like he had no agency in any of this. That anything he might have done wrong was just a misunderstanding, and that everything bad that happened was the result if malice on the other side. I don't buy it.

I wonder if all of us who can “buy it”have had firsthand experiences with narcissistic people. I’m not saying she’s a narcissist or that he is innocent —I’m just wondering where the deep divide stems from. I have been on the wrong end of offending a narcissist (or some similar personality disorder), and it’s truly terrifying how they can turn on you and actually believe they are the victim. It takes a minute for you to catch up! Your first instinct is that you are misunderstood, so you try even harder, but they just feed off of it and then they think you are weak. And then while they’re busy being evil to you, they will work that much harder to make others love them. I can imagine that happened here. It’s possible it didn’t.

I'm PP and I find them both to have narcissistic tendencies. I think Baldoni has a tendency towards vulnerable narcissism (where he is constantly sympathy seeking and using his supposed deficiencies or challenges as an excuse for never being accountable and always being the center of attention). Lively strikes me as someone with Main Character Syndrome, though I suspect that's very common in Hollywood.

This makes a lot of sense.

I especially see this with his health issues. I used to work for a vulnerable narcissist and she was like this. She always has an ailment she was nursing, she over shared a lot about it, and it was a frequently used excuse for her bad behavior. Baldoni is like this with his back issues, which seems to flare up when he is feeling threatened or stressed. Now, I do believe in the mind-body connection and i believe he has back issues, but narcissists will lean into it for sympathy any time they are getting criticism -- it detracts from valid criticism and changes the subject.

He also does this in his communications a lot -- very sympathy seeking and woe is me in his texts and emails to both fellow producers and to Blake. He likes being the victim.

It can be a really tough personality because it's very hard to ever have a direct conversation about Amy if their flaws or mistakes. They are brilliant at twisting it around. The focus is always on how your criticism hurt them, and never on whatever it was you were criticizing them for.

Interesting you mention his health issues but not hers. Lots of podcasts I’m listening to have picked up on how many times she was sick throughout the production. I think she had strep throat five times? And I think Covid and other things. Ryan even joked that Blake and his girls may have an immune system, but it’s beta testing in one of his texts to Justin.

She did a movie called the rhythm section and it was shut down for six months because Blake broke a knuckle. I just quickly googled how long it takes a broken knuckle to heal. It’s about 4 to 6 weeks. Complete mystery as to why she needed six months off. Interestingly, that movie has the distinction of being the biggest bomb of a theatrical release in cinematic history.

I don’t think it’s fair to pick on his health issues and not point out that she has been sick on multiple movies multiple times.

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Anonymous wrote:Well well well. The SNL “joke” was all Ryan’s idea (and presumably facilitated by Ari thru Lorne)…

https://pagesix.com/2025/02/19/entertainment/ryan-reynolds-pitched-snl-50-joke-about-justin-baldoni-legal-drama-staffer-claims/

We called that lol.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

NP. Obviously she didn’t mean literally but we all get it, and agree. Ryan and Blake went nuclear and then BL ran to play the victim. No one’s buying it

See, I feel JB is playing the victim. He makes it sound like he had no agency in any of this. That anything he might have done wrong was just a misunderstanding, and that everything bad that happened was the result if malice on the other side. I don't buy it.

I wonder if all of us who can “buy it”have had firsthand experiences with narcissistic people. I’m not saying she’s a narcissist or that he is innocent —I’m just wondering where the deep divide stems from. I have been on the wrong end of offending a narcissist (or some similar personality disorder), and it’s truly terrifying how they can turn on you and actually believe they are the victim. It takes a minute for you to catch up! Your first instinct is that you are misunderstood, so you try even harder, but they just feed off of it and then they think you are weak. And then while they’re busy being evil to you, they will work that much harder to make others love them. I can imagine that happened here. It’s possible it didn’t.

I'm PP and I find them both to have narcissistic tendencies. I think Baldoni has a tendency towards vulnerable narcissism (where he is constantly sympathy seeking and using his supposed deficiencies or challenges as an excuse for never being accountable and always being the center of attention). Lively strikes me as someone with Main Character Syndrome, though I suspect that's very common in Hollywood.

This makes a lot of sense.

I especially see this with his health issues. I used to work for a vulnerable narcissist and she was like this. She always has an ailment she was nursing, she over shared a lot about it, and it was a frequently used excuse for her bad behavior. Baldoni is like this with his back issues, which seems to flare up when he is feeling threatened or stressed. Now, I do believe in the mind-body connection and i believe he has back issues, but narcissists will lean into it for sympathy any time they are getting criticism -- it detracts from valid criticism and changes the subject.

He also does this in his communications a lot -- very sympathy seeking and woe is me in his texts and emails to both fellow producers and to Blake. He likes being the victim.

It can be a really tough personality because it's very hard to ever have a direct conversation about Amy if their flaws or mistakes. They are brilliant at twisting it around. The focus is always on how your criticism hurt them, and never on whatever it was you were criticizing them for.

Interesting you mention his health issues but not hers. Lots of podcasts I’m listening to have picked up on how many times she was sick throughout the production. I think she had strep throat five times? And I think Covid and other things. Ryan even joked that Blake and his girls may have an immune system, but it’s beta testing in one of his texts to Justin.

She did a movie called the rhythm section and it was shut down for six months because Blake broke a knuckle. I just quickly googled how long it takes a broken knuckle to heal. It’s about 4 to 6 weeks. Complete mystery as to why she needed six months off. Interestingly, that movie has the distinction of being the biggest bomb of a theatrical release in cinematic history.

I don’t think it’s fair to pick on his health issues and not point out that she has been sick on multiple movies multiple times.

A movie was shut down because Blake broke a knuckle?!?! Omg.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

NP. Obviously she didn’t mean literally but we all get it, and agree. Ryan and Blake went nuclear and then BL ran to play the victim. No one’s buying it

See, I feel JB is playing the victim. He makes it sound like he had no agency in any of this. That anything he might have done wrong was just a misunderstanding, and that everything bad that happened was the result if malice on the other side. I don't buy it.

I wonder if all of us who can “buy it”have had firsthand experiences with narcissistic people. I’m not saying she’s a narcissist or that he is innocent —I’m just wondering where the deep divide stems from. I have been on the wrong end of offending a narcissist (or some similar personality disorder), and it’s truly terrifying how they can turn on you and actually believe they are the victim. It takes a minute for you to catch up! Your first instinct is that you are misunderstood, so you try even harder, but they just feed off of it and then they think you are weak. And then while they’re busy being evil to you, they will work that much harder to make others love them. I can imagine that happened here. It’s possible it didn’t.

I'm PP and I find them both to have narcissistic tendencies. I think Baldoni has a tendency towards vulnerable narcissism (where he is constantly sympathy seeking and using his supposed deficiencies or challenges as an excuse for never being accountable and always being the center of attention). Lively strikes me as someone with Main Character Syndrome, though I suspect that's very common in Hollywood.

This makes a lot of sense.

I especially see this with his health issues. I used to work for a vulnerable narcissist and she was like this. She always has an ailment she was nursing, she over shared a lot about it, and it was a frequently used excuse for her bad behavior. Baldoni is like this with his back issues, which seems to flare up when he is feeling threatened or stressed. Now, I do believe in the mind-body connection and i believe he has back issues, but narcissists will lean into it for sympathy any time they are getting criticism -- it detracts from valid criticism and changes the subject.

He also does this in his communications a lot -- very sympathy seeking and woe is me in his texts and emails to both fellow producers and to Blake. He likes being the victim.

It can be a really tough personality because it's very hard to ever have a direct conversation about Amy if their flaws or mistakes. They are brilliant at twisting it around. The focus is always on how your criticism hurt them, and never on whatever it was you were criticizing them for.

Interesting you mention his health issues but not hers. Lots of podcasts I’m listening to have picked up on how many times she was sick throughout the production. I think she had strep throat five times? And I think Covid and other things. Ryan even joked that Blake and his girls may have an immune system, but it’s beta testing in one of his texts to Justin.

She did a movie called the rhythm section and it was shut down for six months because Blake broke a knuckle. I just quickly googled how long it takes a broken knuckle to heal. It’s about 4 to 6 weeks. Complete mystery as to why she needed six months off. Interestingly, that movie has the distinction of being the biggest bomb of a theatrical release in cinematic history.

I don’t think it’s fair to pick on his health issues and not point out that she has been sick on multiple movies multiple times.

A movie was shut down because Blake broke a knuckle?!?! Omg.

I know nothing about it except a quick google search says she had torn ligaments, a dislocation, and a 'few' breaks and that she had two surgeries and months of physio to regain full use of her hand.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

NP. Obviously she didn’t mean literally but we all get it, and agree. Ryan and Blake went nuclear and then BL ran to play the victim. No one’s buying it

See, I feel JB is playing the victim. He makes it sound like he had no agency in any of this. That anything he might have done wrong was just a misunderstanding, and that everything bad that happened was the result if malice on the other side. I don't buy it.

I wonder if all of us who can “buy it”have had firsthand experiences with narcissistic people. I’m not saying she’s a narcissist or that he is innocent —I’m just wondering where the deep divide stems from. I have been on the wrong end of offending a narcissist (or some similar personality disorder), and it’s truly terrifying how they can turn on you and actually believe they are the victim. It takes a minute for you to catch up! Your first instinct is that you are misunderstood, so you try even harder, but they just feed off of it and then they think you are weak. And then while they’re busy being evil to you, they will work that much harder to make others love them. I can imagine that happened here. It’s possible it didn’t.

I'm PP and I find them both to have narcissistic tendencies. I think Baldoni has a tendency towards vulnerable narcissism (where he is constantly sympathy seeking and using his supposed deficiencies or challenges as an excuse for never being accountable and always being the center of attention). Lively strikes me as someone with Main Character Syndrome, though I suspect that's very common in Hollywood.

This makes a lot of sense.

I especially see this with his health issues. I used to work for a vulnerable narcissist and she was like this. She always has an ailment she was nursing, she over shared a lot about it, and it was a frequently used excuse for her bad behavior. Baldoni is like this with his back issues, which seems to flare up when he is feeling threatened or stressed. Now, I do believe in the mind-body connection and i believe he has back issues, but narcissists will lean into it for sympathy any time they are getting criticism -- it detracts from valid criticism and changes the subject.

He also does this in his communications a lot -- very sympathy seeking and woe is me in his texts and emails to both fellow producers and to Blake. He likes being the victim.

It can be a really tough personality because it's very hard to ever have a direct conversation about Amy if their flaws or mistakes. They are brilliant at twisting it around. The focus is always on how your criticism hurt them, and never on whatever it was you were criticizing them for.

Interesting you mention his health issues but not hers. Lots of podcasts I’m listening to have picked up on how many times she was sick throughout the production. I think she had strep throat five times? And I think Covid and other things. Ryan even joked that Blake and his girls may have an immune system, but it’s beta testing in one of his texts to Justin.

She did a movie called the rhythm section and it was shut down for six months because Blake broke a knuckle. I just quickly googled how long it takes a broken knuckle to heal. It’s about 4 to 6 weeks. Complete mystery as to why she needed six months off. Interestingly, that movie has the distinction of being the biggest bomb of a theatrical release in cinematic history.

I don’t think it’s fair to pick on his health issues and not point out that she has been sick on multiple movies multiple times.

A movie was shut down because Blake broke a knuckle?!?! Omg.

I know nothing about it except a quick google search says she had torn ligaments, a dislocation, and a 'few' breaks and that she had two surgeries and months of physio to regain full use of her hand.

Ah ok, that makes more sense. The Wikipedia page for rhythm section just said that Blake lively, broken knuckle and production was shut down for six months.