Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Name a country that is not partially on "stolen land"

Sweden, Norway, Russia, Indonesia, Britain, Ireland: the list goes on

Yes, countries have been conquered and invaded in the centuries before modern time. But that age is over

Russia? What about Ukraine?

Britain? You’re kidding right? Look up the phrase “the sun rises and sets on the British empire.”

Ireland fought wars for their land with Britain

There’s nothing new or different here with Palestine.

What century are you living in?
Why the sudden need to empty Gaza?

The people without a land need to finish ensuring the land without a people is depopulated

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Palestinian victims will reach 50 thousands or more before Biden threatens to slow the supply of weapons.

Biden will never slow the supply of weapons. Biden is at war with the Palestinians civilians. This war has shown what a fake he is. He pushes out how his family was taken away from him and how hard it is on the survivors…less you are a Palestinian. Palestinians and others just are not considered human by Biden.

I agree. Biden needs to resign -- for everyone's sake. He represents a paradigm that recently died.

Not only he won't resign but he'll be reelected so you'll get five full years to keep whinning.

My fear is he'll open the door for Trump.

The far left is about to elect Trump in order to save Palestinians.

Trump will help Israel destroy Palestine.

Trump will do irreparable damage to the most vulnerable populations in America.

Trump will do irreparable damage to America itself.

It's truly idiotic on every level.

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Biden is doing a mighty fine job destroying Palestine as well. Biden has done irreparable damage to the vulnerable populations in this country as well. Tell me three things where Biden has helped vulnerable populations. He’s a senile old man who can’t keep his sentences straight. Our votes can no longer be bought. Can’t wait to vote for the Green Party! And don’t complain because the democrats should have put forward a better candidate to generate excitement amongst the far left.

Domestically, he’s pursued nothing less than a transformation of the American social safety net, with an agenda comprising a dizzying number of progressive policy goals. Biden has accomplished quite a lot of them—perhaps more than most political observers expected with such narrow Democratic majorities on Capitol Hill. Some of his legislative moves, on infrastructure and clean-energy manufacturing, for example, have even been bipartisan victories.

Read about them yourself: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/11/biden-2022-midterms-policy-record-approval/671941/

But let's not turn this into a thread about Biden.

You either vote for Biden or you've voted for Trump. You choose for yourself, but I will NEVER forgive the far left if they help elect Trump.

All true and Biden deserves great credit for his accomplishments, but many on the left will see his support for Israel as a dealbreaker and feel strongly enough that they don't care about your forgiveness. Biden has done an excellent job in many areas, but he now has this albatross around his neck. Another Trump presidency would be an absolute disaster, and we can't risk that possibility by not retiring Biden. He has lost support among a crucial demographic -- young voters. That said, it's only January and the election is in November. Many things could change by then, including Trump's support collapsing and Biden rehabilitating himself with young people. As it looks at the moment, though, supporting Biden may help elect Trump.

I agree with everything except the last sentence.

I can think of exactly zero electable alternative candidates available this cycle. All of them need until 2028.

If young people don’t want Biden, then they’ll get Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel in talks concerning "voluntary" resettlement of Gazans

On Tuesday, during a conference held in the Knesset to examine possibilities for postwar Gaza, Gamliel said: “At the end of the war, Hamas rule will collapse. There are no municipal authorities; the civilian population will be entirely dependent on humanitarian aid. There will be no work, and 60% of Gaza’s agricultural land will become security buffer zones.”

“The Gaza problem is not just our problem,” Gamliel said. “The world should support humanitarian emigration, because that’s the only solution I know.”

So we're back to ethnic cleansing? Israel being deplorable, as usual.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel in talks concerning "voluntary" resettlement of Gazans

On Tuesday, during a conference held in the Knesset to examine possibilities for postwar Gaza, Gamliel said: “At the end of the war, Hamas rule will collapse. There are no municipal authorities; the civilian population will be entirely dependent on humanitarian aid. There will be no work, and 60% of Gaza’s agricultural land will become security buffer zones.”

“The Gaza problem is not just our problem,” Gamliel said. “The world should support humanitarian emigration, because that’s the only solution I know.”

He does have a point
Gaza cannot be rebuilt, there are many unexploded shells, and there is no economy. If they are not fed by aid they will all starve. They are starving now as it is
At the same time Israel doesn’t have a right to redraw the borders of Gaza, just like Putin does not have a right to redraw the border of Ukraine

Gazans are not going to emigrate, so the solution he is proposing is moot.
Israelis are free to emigrate

Until Hamas is gone, Gaza is going to continue to get wrecked. There are about 30,000-40,000 militants in Gaza. It would be very helpful for everyone if they laid down their weapons and surrendered. There is no hope for some kind of military victory for Hamas. It was an incredibly stupid decision to invade Israel and commit all those atrocities. One Saturday morning of terror and torture, and Palestinians will be paying for it for generations. I'm still baffled why Hamas chose to commit this barbarity. This is the most right wing government in the history of Israel. The massacres were a gift to Likud and the hard right.

But, yes. Hamas will not lay down their weapons. Gaza will be destroyed. It will be dependent on foreign aid for decades. Palestinians in Gaza will be living in tents for the foreseeable future. No country is taking in 2.2 million radicalized Palestinians. They have been a nightmare in Jordan, Lebanon, and Kuwait. And the Congo is certainly not taking them.

Palestinians make bad decisions. It's what they do. They've been given their own country a gazillion times. They refuse. They side with Nazis. They side with terrorism. They cause civil wars. They side with Saddam Hussein. They cheered on 9/11. And now they are allied with the theocracy in Iran and butchering women at music festivals.

Feel terrible about kids in Gaza. No child should experience any of this. But good lord, their parents and grandparents are not particularly bright.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel in talks concerning "voluntary" resettlement of Gazans

On Tuesday, during a conference held in the Knesset to examine possibilities for postwar Gaza, Gamliel said: “At the end of the war, Hamas rule will collapse. There are no municipal authorities; the civilian population will be entirely dependent on humanitarian aid. There will be no work, and 60% of Gaza’s agricultural land will become security buffer zones.”

“The Gaza problem is not just our problem,” Gamliel said. “The world should support humanitarian emigration, because that’s the only solution I know.”

He does have a point
Gaza cannot be rebuilt, there are many unexploded shells, and there is no economy. If they are not fed by aid they will all starve. They are starving now as it is
At the same time Israel doesn’t have a right to redraw the borders of Gaza, just like Putin does not have a right to redraw the border of Ukraine

Gazans are not going to emigrate, so the solution he is proposing is moot.
Israelis are free to emigrate

Until Hamas is gone, Gaza is going to continue to get wrecked. There are about 30,000-40,000 militants in Gaza. It would be very helpful for everyone if they laid down their weapons and surrendered. There is no hope for some kind of military victory for Hamas. It was an incredibly stupid decision to invade Israel and commit all those atrocities. One Saturday morning of terror and torture, and Palestinians will be paying for it for generations. I'm still baffled why Hamas chose to commit this barbarity. This is the most right wing government in the history of Israel. The massacres were a gift to Likud and the hard right.

But, yes. Hamas will not lay down their weapons. Gaza will be destroyed. It will be dependent on foreign aid for decades. Palestinians in Gaza will be living in tents for the foreseeable future. No country is taking in 2.2 million radicalized Palestinians. They have been a nightmare in Jordan, Lebanon, and Kuwait. And the Congo is certainly not taking them.

Palestinians make bad decisions. It's what they do. They've been given their own country a gazillion times. They refuse. They side with Nazis. They side with terrorism. They cause civil wars. They side with Saddam Hussein. They cheered on 9/11. And now they are allied with the theocracy in Iran and butchering women at music festivals.

Feel terrible about kids in Gaza. No child should experience any of this. But good lord, their parents and grandparents are not particularly bright.

If Hamas’ goal was to destroy Israel’s reputation and bog it down in a year long war , it won. If it was to destroy Netanyahu, it won.

Hamas knows the longer the war goes on the worse , it gets for Israel especially now that it is in Lebanon as well. Nobody wants their sons in the IDF to be in Gaza.

I don’t see a winner on both ends. Palestinians lose because they suffer more deaths. Israelis lose because the more Palestinians suffer more deaths, the more hated they become and the more forgotten 10/7 becomes. Hamas trolled Israel and fooled it into a long war on multiple fronts that won’t be easy.

If Israel stopped at say 3000 Palestinian deaths, they could’ve still won and 10/7 wouldn’t be forgotten and overshadowed by 30k Palestinian deaths.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel in talks concerning "voluntary" resettlement of Gazans

On Tuesday, during a conference held in the Knesset to examine possibilities for postwar Gaza, Gamliel said: “At the end of the war, Hamas rule will collapse. There are no municipal authorities; the civilian population will be entirely dependent on humanitarian aid. There will be no work, and 60% of Gaza’s agricultural land will become security buffer zones.”

“The Gaza problem is not just our problem,” Gamliel said. “The world should support humanitarian emigration, because that’s the only solution I know.”

He does have a point
Gaza cannot be rebuilt, there are many unexploded shells, and there is no economy. If they are not fed by aid they will all starve. They are starving now as it is
At the same time Israel doesn’t have a right to redraw the borders of Gaza, just like Putin does not have a right to redraw the border of Ukraine

Gazans are not going to emigrate, so the solution he is proposing is moot.
Israelis are free to emigrate

Until Hamas is gone, Gaza is going to continue to get wrecked. There are about 30,000-40,000 militants in Gaza. It would be very helpful for everyone if they laid down their weapons and surrendered. There is no hope for some kind of military victory for Hamas. It was an incredibly stupid decision to invade Israel and commit all those atrocities. One Saturday morning of terror and torture, and Palestinians will be paying for it for generations. I'm still baffled why Hamas chose to commit this barbarity. This is the most right wing government in the history of Israel. The massacres were a gift to Likud and the hard right.

But, yes. Hamas will not lay down their weapons. Gaza will be destroyed. It will be dependent on foreign aid for decades. Palestinians in Gaza will be living in tents for the foreseeable future. No country is taking in 2.2 million radicalized Palestinians. They have been a nightmare in Jordan, Lebanon, and Kuwait. And the Congo is certainly not taking them.

Palestinians make bad decisions. It's what they do. They've been given their own country a gazillion times. They refuse. They side with Nazis. They side with terrorism. They cause civil wars. They side with Saddam Hussein. They cheered on 9/11. And now they are allied with the theocracy in Iran and butchering women at music festivals.

Feel terrible about kids in Gaza. No child should experience any of this. But good lord, their parents and grandparents are not particularly bright.

The peace deal with the Saudis is dead. The unwavering support that Israel is used to receiving from the US is starting to waiver. In the long run, destroying Hamas may be the most Pyrrhic victory in recent history

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel in talks concerning "voluntary" resettlement of Gazans

On Tuesday, during a conference held in the Knesset to examine possibilities for postwar Gaza, Gamliel said: “At the end of the war, Hamas rule will collapse. There are no municipal authorities; the civilian population will be entirely dependent on humanitarian aid. There will be no work, and 60% of Gaza’s agricultural land will become security buffer zones.”

“The Gaza problem is not just our problem,” Gamliel said. “The world should support humanitarian emigration, because that’s the only solution I know.”

He does have a point
Gaza cannot be rebuilt, there are many unexploded shells, and there is no economy. If they are not fed by aid they will all starve. They are starving now as it is
At the same time Israel doesn’t have a right to redraw the borders of Gaza, just like Putin does not have a right to redraw the border of Ukraine

Gazans are not going to emigrate, so the solution he is proposing is moot.
Israelis are free to emigrate

Until Hamas is gone, Gaza is going to continue to get wrecked. There are about 30,000-40,000 militants in Gaza. It would be very helpful for everyone if they laid down their weapons and surrendered. There is no hope for some kind of military victory for Hamas. It was an incredibly stupid decision to invade Israel and commit all those atrocities. One Saturday morning of terror and torture, and Palestinians will be paying for it for generations. I'm still baffled why Hamas chose to commit this barbarity. This is the most right wing government in the history of Israel. The massacres were a gift to Likud and the hard right.

But, yes. Hamas will not lay down their weapons. Gaza will be destroyed. It will be dependent on foreign aid for decades. Palestinians in Gaza will be living in tents for the foreseeable future. No country is taking in 2.2 million radicalized Palestinians. They have been a nightmare in Jordan, Lebanon, and Kuwait. And the Congo is certainly not taking them.

Palestinians make bad decisions. It's what they do. They've been given their own country a gazillion times. They refuse. They side with Nazis. They side with terrorism. They cause civil wars. They side with Saddam Hussein. They cheered on 9/11. And now they are allied with the theocracy in Iran and butchering women at music festivals.

Feel terrible about kids in Gaza. No child should experience any of this. But good lord, their parents and grandparents are not particularly bright.

The peace deal with the Saudis is dead. The unwavering support that Israel is used to receiving from the US is starting to waiver. In the long run, destroying Hamas may be the most Pyrrhic victory in recent history

I don't think so.

Hamas and Palestinians are an annoyance. The Hamas massacres delayed formalities in the Middle East. But the trend is clear.

And you can see that with how absolutely no country is stepping in to help Palestinians. Hezbollah is playing on the margins. But I don't think they're going to do anything significant. It's a proxy for Iran, and they are just playing on the edge. They don't want a genuine war.

Palestinians made a terrible decision. They are isolated.

In the end, the money in Tel Aviv and Riyadh will get beyond this distraction.

And the aid flows to Israel all stem from Camp David. Egypt gets a big chunk too. No one is going to interfere with that.

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Israeli authorities have reportedly been engaged in secret talks with Congo to “resettle” Palestinians from Gaza in the Central African country. That’s according to The Times of Israel, which cites its Hebrew-language sister site Zman Israel to report that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition is looking at the Democratic Republic of the Congo as well as other countries for the “voluntary” resettlement plan. “Congo will be willing to take in migrants, and we’re in talks with others,” an unnamed source in the security cabinet is quoted as saying. Saudi Arabia has also reportedly been floated as an option. The news comes after the U.S. State Department on Tuesday singled out two far-right Israeli ministers who’ve been pushing to resettle Palestinians outside Gaza, blasting their “inflammatory and irresponsible” rhetoric. While Netanyahu’s office has not officially said it had plans to “resettle” Palestinians, the prime minister reportedly told a meeting last Monday that work is underway to facilitate “voluntary migration” of Palestinians to other countries

https://www.thedailybeast.com/israel-in-secret-talks-to-resettle-palestinians-in-congo-report-says

Facilitate voluntary migration…leave or we kill you!

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Anonymous wrote:Israel in talks concerning "voluntary" resettlement of Gazans

On Tuesday, during a conference held in the Knesset to examine possibilities for postwar Gaza, Gamliel said: “At the end of the war, Hamas rule will collapse. There are no municipal authorities; the civilian population will be entirely dependent on humanitarian aid. There will be no work, and 60% of Gaza’s agricultural land will become security buffer zones.”

“The Gaza problem is not just our problem,” Gamliel said. “The world should support humanitarian emigration, because that’s the only solution I know.”

He does have a point
Gaza cannot be rebuilt, there are many unexploded shells, and there is no economy. If they are not fed by aid they will all starve. They are starving now as it is
At the same time Israel doesn’t have a right to redraw the borders of Gaza, just like Putin does not have a right to redraw the border of Ukraine

Gazans are not going to emigrate, so the solution he is proposing is moot.
Israelis are free to emigrate

Until Hamas is gone, Gaza is going to continue to get wrecked. There are about 30,000-40,000 militants in Gaza. It would be very helpful for everyone if they laid down their weapons and surrendered. There is no hope for some kind of military victory for Hamas. It was an incredibly stupid decision to invade Israel and commit all those atrocities. One Saturday morning of terror and torture, and Palestinians will be paying for it for generations. I'm still baffled why Hamas chose to commit this barbarity. This is the most right wing government in the history of Israel. The massacres were a gift to Likud and the hard right.

But, yes. Hamas will not lay down their weapons. Gaza will be destroyed. It will be dependent on foreign aid for decades. Palestinians in Gaza will be living in tents for the foreseeable future. No country is taking in 2.2 million radicalized Palestinians. They have been a nightmare in Jordan, Lebanon, and Kuwait. And the Congo is certainly not taking them.

Palestinians make bad decisions. It's what they do. They've been given their own country a gazillion times. They refuse. They side with Nazis. They side with terrorism. They cause civil wars. They side with Saddam Hussein. They cheered on 9/11. And now they are allied with the theocracy in Iran and butchering women at music festivals.

Feel terrible about kids in Gaza. No child should experience any of this. But good lord, their parents and grandparents are not particularly bright.

If Hamas’ goal was to destroy Israel’s reputation and bog it down in a year long war , it won. If it was to destroy Netanyahu, it won.

Hamas knows the longer the war goes on the worse , it gets for Israel especially now that it is in Lebanon as well. Nobody wants their sons in the IDF to be in Gaza.

I don’t see a winner on both ends. Palestinians lose because they suffer more deaths. Israelis lose because the more Palestinians suffer more deaths, the more hated they become and the more forgotten 10/7 becomes. Hamas trolled Israel and fooled it into a long war on multiple fronts that won’t be easy.

If Israel stopped at say 3000 Palestinian deaths, they could’ve still won and 10/7 wouldn’t be forgotten and overshadowed by 30k Palestinian deaths.

The longer it goes on the less anyone will care. Hamas's only move was to flood Israel, kill, kidnap, and rape as many people as possible - then cry cry cry when they got bombed in return, and have others join them QUICKLY in whatever they wanted their next move to be.

Three weeks from now this thread will be dead, no matter what is going on there. When is the last time you thought about Ukraine?

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It's fascinating to see how the blm/ antifa coalition dissapears into empty space when Biden/ Harris tells them to simply stfu.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel in talks concerning "voluntary" resettlement of Gazans

On Tuesday, during a conference held in the Knesset to examine possibilities for postwar Gaza, Gamliel said: “At the end of the war, Hamas rule will collapse. There are no municipal authorities; the civilian population will be entirely dependent on humanitarian aid. There will be no work, and 60% of Gaza’s agricultural land will become security buffer zones.”

“The Gaza problem is not just our problem,” Gamliel said. “The world should support humanitarian emigration, because that’s the only solution I know.”

He does have a point
Gaza cannot be rebuilt, there are many unexploded shells, and there is no economy. If they are not fed by aid they will all starve. They are starving now as it is
At the same time Israel doesn’t have a right to redraw the borders of Gaza, just like Putin does not have a right to redraw the border of Ukraine

Gazans are not going to emigrate, so the solution he is proposing is moot.
Israelis are free to emigrate

Until Hamas is gone, Gaza is going to continue to get wrecked. There are about 30,000-40,000 militants in Gaza. It would be very helpful for everyone if they laid down their weapons and surrendered. There is no hope for some kind of military victory for Hamas. It was an incredibly stupid decision to invade Israel and commit all those atrocities. One Saturday morning of terror and torture, and Palestinians will be paying for it for generations. I'm still baffled why Hamas chose to commit this barbarity. This is the most right wing government in the history of Israel. The massacres were a gift to Likud and the hard right.

But, yes. Hamas will not lay down their weapons. Gaza will be destroyed. It will be dependent on foreign aid for decades. Palestinians in Gaza will be living in tents for the foreseeable future. No country is taking in 2.2 million radicalized Palestinians. They have been a nightmare in Jordan, Lebanon, and Kuwait. And the Congo is certainly not taking them.

Palestinians make bad decisions. It's what they do. They've been given their own country a gazillion times. They refuse. They side with Nazis. They side with terrorism. They cause civil wars. They side with Saddam Hussein. They cheered on 9/11. And now they are allied with the theocracy in Iran and butchering women at music festivals.

Feel terrible about kids in Gaza. No child should experience any of this. But good lord, their parents and grandparents are not particularly bright.

The peace deal with the Saudis is dead. The unwavering support that Israel is used to receiving from the US is starting to waiver. In the long run, destroying Hamas may be the most Pyrrhic victory in recent history

I don't think so.

Hamas and Palestinians are an annoyance. The Hamas massacres delayed formalities in the Middle East. But the trend is clear.

And you can see that with how absolutely no country is stepping in to help Palestinians. Hezbollah is playing on the margins. But I don't think they're going to do anything significant. It's a proxy for Iran, and they are just playing on the edge. They don't want a genuine war.

Palestinians made a terrible decision. They are isolated.

In the end, the money in Tel Aviv and Riyadh will get beyond this distraction.

And the aid flows to Israel all stem from Camp David. Egypt gets a big chunk too. No one is going to interfere with that.

You people are unreal! No this is not a forever payment plan. The two countries are at peace time to cut the funding. It has been close to 50 years. At what point do we stop paying these people? If Egypt and Israel want to go to war let them.

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Anonymous wrote:It's fascinating to see how the blm/ antifa coalition dissapears into empty space when Biden/ Harris tells them to simply stfu.

No. Biden is done. First US President to lose because of his support of Israel. Just a matter of time till US pulls funding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I support our commander in chief. Funny how you all rip Israel apart, but not even a peep lately about Russia. Says a lot about posters here who were quick to judge what/whom they hate.

You may want to check the title of this thread? It's about the Gaza War. You could always start another discussion about Russia.

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Haniyeh is now reaching out to Fatah for a power sharing arrangement in Gaza. What a moron. If this isn’t an act of a desperate man knowing his days are numbered, I don’t know what is.

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US confirms hospital used by Hamas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/politics/gaza-hospital-hamas.html

What, no WMD? No glass vial to shake?

Not a subscriber to NY times, but I can tell you that neither side is squeaky clean or spotless and the first casualty in war is the truth.
Right now it is the Palestinians who are doing the dying and suffering in very large numbers.
The end does not justify the means, not anymore

The bolded- it has ALWAYS been Palestinians being murdered and otherwise killed in very large numbers since the late 1940s, and 10/7/23 is the sole exception. When you frame the conflict as you do, it’s dishonest.

Yes, they have a lot of casualties because they start wars and can't finish them. They are not the victims.

“They”? Do you think all Palestinians are to blame? Such a lack of compassion.

My understanding from reading history is that Zionists were the original provocateurs. Palestinians responded. Violence escalated with each and every back and forth. Vastly more Palestinians have died (and kidnapped, ie held without charges) than Israeli over the years. The suffering that the escalation has now reached is terrible. And has just created a new generation of people who hate Israel.

I hope the US begins to link support to Israel to changes in how they treat Palestinians. I believe this will happen in the next 20-30 years.

It doesn’t matter what you want to think or what thoughts give you comfort. The truth is, the Palestinians start conflicts, the people they started conflicts with fight back, the Palestinians can't match the fighting, then cry victim. If you want to think, think about this, after all these years of fighting, why do the Palestinians have NOTHING they want? No accomplishments?

They do. You just can't see it. Israelis and Palestinians have an unspoken contract as so many do in the Middle East. Here are the terms:

Israelis: Palestinians, I will take your land.

Palestinians: you will, but you will never feel safe in it.

Listen, if your one accomplishment is your embrace of terrorism, you might aim a little higher...

From the knees to the crotch.

Oh they got the crotch, didn't they? Hamas terrorists broke pelvises, shot/stabbed/drove nails into crotches. Swell bunch of guys you folks admire.

I see we still have someone who thinks ZAKA reports are trustworthy despite ample evidence of lies and incompetence . Okay.

Wait, wtf? There are people who deny that horrific rape and sexual abuse happened? The animals video'd themselves.

Yes Virginia, there are people who don’t believe ZAKA, an organization repeatedly caught in lies and incompetence, an organization that works in cahoots with Bibi. That’s what happens when you lie: people stop believing you.

^ This is the far left version of qanon. You're just as sick and morally bankrupt as those evil clowns.

The head of ZAKA was Jeffrey Epstein on steroids. That’s irrefutable. But you do you, I guess, child molester weirdo.

I don't understand why the NYT article on Hamas' rapes quotes Yossi Landau of ZAKA. Landau is a documented liar who was behind the fake atrocity stories that have been debunked by now, but not before making it around the world.

Landau is personally responsible for “confirming” the bogus tale of Hamas beheading babies in kibbutz Kfar Aza – a contrivance which President Joseph Biden promoted against the advice of his aides. As CBS News reported on October 11, Landau said he “saw with his own eyes children and babies who had been beheaded.”

An Israeli army spokesperson took Landau’s claim and ran with it, declaring that “a senior official in the Israeli coronary service” had confirmed the allegation of beheaded babies. In fact, ZAKA is a religious service with no coronary qualifications.

The claim then made its way to CNN, which dedicated almost an entire hour of a primetime broadcast to the imagined atrocity based on “confirmation” from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. US President Joe Biden echoed the allegation next, sleepily proclaiming during a press conference that he had seen “pictures of terrorists beheading children.” The president thus ignored the record of confirmed deaths from October 7, which showed that only one baby, a 10-month-old named Mila Cohen, had been killed.

Landau was also behind the story of a pregnant woman with her stomach cut open (false), and of a pile of burned children ("at least 20!"). Official records show there were 13 children killed total, and the most found in one location was three. The pregnant victim story was so compelling that the first lady of Israel tweeted it out - except the footage included as proof came from Mexico in 2017, and the "medic" quoted (Landau) has no medical qualifications.

All this information is freely available. So why is NYT quoting a known liar?

The sister of the woman profiled in NYT apparently has some issues with how her sister was covered.

This is why I feel Biden is damaged. Whether he believed Netanyahu's lies about beheaded babies or he lied himself and just pretended to believe Netanyahu, he spread false propaganda that aided and abetted Israel's killing machine. Anthony Blinken did the same with some of his stories. Both helped to green light Israel's brutal and indiscriminate slaughter.

We need to hear the truth from our leaders. We also need to have some faith in their ability to discern the truth. Biden should have listened to his advisers. He should also not have been so naive as to allow Netanyahu to deceive him, if he was indeed deceived. Netanyahu's character flaws are well-documented.

With respect to the alleged rapes, the NYT's story is partially based on testimony from a Raz Cohen, who appears to have altered his story repeatedly: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1740641517847335009.html