Sidwell Paid a family $50K and agree to change grades??????????

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Anonymous wrote:Hope she could win the case. Our public school students will follow to sue MCPS, especially Blair and other magnet program.

Do they stiff students’ grades too and send out incorrect transcripts?[/quote
Teachers always mess up with tgrades by mistake. Don’t you know that? Never hear a mistake in one test will ruin the whole academic performance. If she was at top of her class, for example top 10%, they would have provided more concrete evidences in stead of these vague descriptions. Come on, use your common sense .

My dear, teachers do not always mess up with "Tgrades" by mistake. When they do though, the school would routinely send the corrected grades and transcripts and would not "mess up" someone's applications the way the math teachers at Sidwell seem to have done. Use your common sense.

Regardless of the merits of the lawsuit, what this case lets us see is the inner workings of Sidwell's grading and it leaves an uncomfortable taste in the mouth.

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Anonymous wrote:When I read the CNN article, my first thought was what f**king parents? Then I found this thread and discover that the student was a good student and have the score to enter any selective college as a black girl. One of the 14 NMSF in entire DC. How many students in sidwell or othe top private schools were accepted into the ivys? If she was in a public school, she will be the poster child student. Unfortunately, she parents made a BIG mistake sending her to Sidwell. She could be the largest fish in a smaller pond, but in Sidwell, as a child of an immigrant, she was nobody! The parents may think my daughter has better grade than the famous first daughter and they have the same skin color. If the first daughter could.get into Harvard, my daughter should have a chance. When thing didnt go their way, they sue. Watched too much American TV and movies! Her parents dont know how to mingle with the elite and thought they can sue their way into the upper class.
I see the whole episode as how new immigrants struggle to climb social ladder. The door towards the elite class is closed to outsider. Breaking the code is not easy. It takes more than SAT and GPA. I wish the girl learneda few thing in Penn and find her way to move up. I am also guessing the family must belong to elite class in their home country.

She was not one of NMSF If you have read the entire thread. Her award is not psat grade-based. I got confused at beginning and then somebody pointed out. Also she had a C in her transcript. So she could not be the real top student In her class in Sidwell.

She was a National Achievement semi finalist, which is part of the National Merit program. It is for the top-scoring PSAT students who are black. She was one of only 14 students in all of DC to earn the distinction. Given that and her other achievements (sports), it’s pretty inexplicable that she would be the only student in all of Sidwell not to gain unconditional admission.

So it means her score was not high enough to be NMSF. She was not one of the 14 NMSF in Sidwell that year. We don’t know her whole academic profile, but it is very likely she was not at the top 15% of her class. It is impossible to get admitted into any ivy if not at the top 5 in a public school. Someone who is familiar with DC private may tell college placement of the top 15-25% students. My common sense tells this is a ridiculous case.

No one said she was. She was a National Achievement Semifinalist. That is a program under the National Merit program that recognizes the top-scoring African Americans in the U.S. She had one of the 14 top scores (presumably this also has a cutoff score) in all of DC. So when factored against all the other African Americans at all the other top privates and publics in DC, she had one of the 14 best scores in all of DC. This absolutely should have made her a very competitive candidate. And, ultimately, she did graduate with a degree from Penn in Engineering. She was indeed qualified as evidenced by the final outcome.

When she applied for college, unfortunately she was compared with her peer students from Sidwell. For example, if other NMSF students or students ranked higher were applying the same ivy (very likely because her college list includes all best schools), she may be the bottom one in that particular applicant pool. The school has to offer the true information for AO to compare. You can’t blame the school to tell the truth. It could be totally different if she was in a different school with the same academic profile where she ranked at top 1.

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The only people who care about PSATs are people who did well but then bombed the test that really matters, the SAT.

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Anonymous wrote:When I read the CNN article, my first thought was what f**king parents? Then I found this thread and discover that the student was a good student and have the score to enter any selective college as a black girl. One of the 14 NMSF in entire DC. How many students in sidwell or othe top private schools were accepted into the ivys? If she was in a public school, she will be the poster child student. Unfortunately, she parents made a BIG mistake sending her to Sidwell. She could be the largest fish in a smaller pond, but in Sidwell, as a child of an immigrant, she was nobody! The parents may think my daughter has better grade than the famous first daughter and they have the same skin color. If the first daughter could.get into Harvard, my daughter should have a chance. When thing didnt go their way, they sue. Watched too much American TV and movies! Her parents dont know how to mingle with the elite and thought they can sue their way into the upper class.
I see the whole episode as how new immigrants struggle to climb social ladder. The door towards the elite class is closed to outsider. Breaking the code is not easy. It takes more than SAT and GPA. I wish the girl learneda few thing in Penn and find her way to move up. I am also guessing the family must belong to elite class in their home country.

She was not one of NMSF If you have read the entire thread. Her award is not psat grade-based. I got confused at beginning and then somebody pointed out. Also she had a C in her transcript. So she could not be the real top student In her class in Sidwell.

She was a National Achievement semi finalist, which is part of the National Merit program. It is for the top-scoring PSAT students who are black. She was one of only 14 students in all of DC to earn the distinction. Given that and her other achievements (sports), it’s pretty inexplicable that she would be the only student in all of Sidwell not to gain unconditional admission.

Inexplicable to you perhaps, but she only applied to highly selective colleges and submitted her only safety application late....poor judgement all around.

No way. Let’s remember that she just graduated from Penn, after all. High-test entrance exam scores, African American woman from a prestigious school and an strong athlete. And not getting into McGill, UVA. Please.

Eh. I graduated from an Ivy. It's not that hard to graduate.

In engineering?

Not engineering but STEM.

Penn SEAS isn't the best engineering school either. It's good at some things but not others.

Plenty of dull engineers around. It's not an amazing or special talent. Just grind work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hope she could win the case. Our public school students will follow to sue MCPS, especially Blair and other magnet program.

Do they stiff students’ grades too and send out incorrect transcripts?[/quote
Teachers always mess up with tgrades by mistake. Don’t you know that? Never hear a mistake in one test will ruin the whole academic performance. If she was at top of her class, for example top 10%, they would have provided more concrete evidences in stead of these vague descriptions. Come on, use your common sense .

My dear, teachers do not always mess up with "Tgrades" by mistake. When they do though, the school would routinely send the corrected grades and transcripts and would not "mess up" someone's applications the way the math teachers at Sidwell seem to have done. Use your common sense.

Regardless of the merits of the lawsuit, what this case lets us see is the inner workings of Sidwell's grading and it leaves an uncomfortable taste in the mouth.

Maybe Sidwell corrected her grades not because she deserved the higher grade but because they were tired of arguing with her. Perhaps the classes were graded to a curve.

Plenty of AA and URM students have graduated from Sidwell and gone on to the best universities in this country. Somehow they managed. This girl's case that her treatment was based on racism is quite weak and insufficient.

My dear, common sense is quite clear here. The family and their daughter were pushy, obnoxious and demanding and ruined any relationship with the school and caused the school faculty to write mediocre recommendations because the colleges ask the teachers to be frank and honest in the recommendations, and she was rejected at almost all the colleges she applied to, which were also among the most competitive schools in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I read the CNN article, my first thought was what f**king parents? Then I found this thread and discover that the student was a good student and have the score to enter any selective college as a black girl. One of the 14 NMSF in entire DC. How many students in sidwell or othe top private schools were accepted into the ivys? If she was in a public school, she will be the poster child student. Unfortunately, she parents made a BIG mistake sending her to Sidwell. She could be the largest fish in a smaller pond, but in Sidwell, as a child of an immigrant, she was nobody! The parents may think my daughter has better grade than the famous first daughter and they have the same skin color. If the first daughter could.get into Harvard, my daughter should have a chance. When thing didnt go their way, they sue. Watched too much American TV and movies! Her parents dont know how to mingle with the elite and thought they can sue their way into the upper class.
I see the whole episode as how new immigrants struggle to climb social ladder. The door towards the elite class is closed to outsider. Breaking the code is not easy. It takes more than SAT and GPA. I wish the girl learneda few thing in Penn and find her way to move up. I am also guessing the family must belong to elite class in their home country.

She was not one of NMSF If you have read the entire thread. Her award is not psat grade-based. I got confused at beginning and then somebody pointed out. Also she had a C in her transcript. So she could not be the real top student In her class in Sidwell.

She was a National Achievement semi finalist, which is part of the National Merit program. It is for the top-scoring PSAT students who are black. She was one of only 14 students in all of DC to earn the distinction. Given that and her other achievements (sports), it’s pretty inexplicable that she would be the only student in all of Sidwell not to gain unconditional admission.

Inexplicable to you perhaps, but she only applied to highly selective colleges and submitted her only safety application late....poor judgement all around.

No way. Let’s remember that she just graduated from Penn, after all. High-test entrance exam scores, African American woman from a prestigious school and an strong athlete. And not getting into McGill, UVA. Please.

Eh. I graduated from an Ivy. It's not that hard to graduate.

In engineering?

Not engineering but STEM.

Penn SEAS isn't the best engineering school either. It's good at some things but not others.

Plenty of dull engineers around. It's not an amazing or special talent. Just grind work.

Grind work = not easy for someone who isn't qualified

[Anonymous]

To the PP repeating "read the filing" -- why is this being appealed to the Supreme Court if facts haven't materially changed from when this was in the lower courts where the judges likely read the same filings and ruled against the family nonetheless? Litigation 101.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hope she could win the case. Our public school students will follow to sue MCPS, especially Blair and other magnet program.

Do they stiff students’ grades too and send out incorrect transcripts?[/quote
Teachers always mess up with tgrades by mistake. Don’t you know that? Never hear a mistake in one test will ruin the whole academic performance. If she was at top of her class, for example top 10%, they would have provided more concrete evidences in stead of these vague descriptions. Come on, use your common sense .

My dear, teachers do not always mess up with "Tgrades" by mistake. When they do though, the school would routinely send the corrected grades and transcripts and would not "mess up" someone's applications the way the math teachers at Sidwell seem to have done. Use your common sense.

Regardless of the merits of the lawsuit, what this case lets us see is the inner workings of Sidwell's grading and it leaves an uncomfortable taste in the mouth.

Not everyone is in your DC private world. People discuss this case not because they are interested in Sidwell or its grading system. The key point is whether or not a student like her fails to be admitted to Ivies should sue the school It is well known ivy admission is so competitive nowadays. To blame the school for her failing to get into Ives due to a grading mistake like this sound ridiculous even though the one-side story about grading mistake is true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I read the CNN article, my first thought was what f**king parents? Then I found this thread and discover that the student was a good student and have the score to enter any selective college as a black girl. One of the 14 NMSF in entire DC. How many students in sidwell or othe top private schools were accepted into the ivys? If she was in a public school, she will be the poster child student. Unfortunately, she parents made a BIG mistake sending her to Sidwell. She could be the largest fish in a smaller pond, but in Sidwell, as a child of an immigrant, she was nobody! The parents may think my daughter has better grade than the famous first daughter and they have the same skin color. If the first daughter could.get into Harvard, my daughter should have a chance. When thing didnt go their way, they sue. Watched too much American TV and movies! Her parents dont know how to mingle with the elite and thought they can sue their way into the upper class.
I see the whole episode as how new immigrants struggle to climb social ladder. The door towards the elite class is closed to outsider. Breaking the code is not easy. It takes more than SAT and GPA. I wish the girl learneda few thing in Penn and find her way to move up. I am also guessing the family must belong to elite class in their home country.

She was not one of NMSF If you have read the entire thread. Her award is not psat grade-based. I got confused at beginning and then somebody pointed out. Also she had a C in her transcript. So she could not be the real top student In her class in Sidwell.

She was a National Achievement semi finalist, which is part of the National Merit program. It is for the top-scoring PSAT students who are black. She was one of only 14 students in all of DC to earn the distinction. Given that and her other achievements (sports), it’s pretty inexplicable that she would be the only student in all of Sidwell not to gain unconditional admission.

So it means her score was not high enough to be NMSF. She was not one of the 14 NMSF in Sidwell that year. We don’t know her whole academic profile, but it is very likely she was not at the top 15% of her class. It is impossible to get admitted into any ivy if not at the top 5 in a public school. Someone who is familiar with DC private may tell college placement of the top 15-25% students. My common sense tells this is a ridiculous case.

No one said she was. She was a National Achievement Semifinalist. That is a program under the National Merit program that recognizes the top-scoring African Americans in the U.S. She had one of the 14 top scores (presumably this also has a cutoff score) in all of DC. So when factored against all the other African Americans at all the other top privates and publics in DC, she had one of the 14 best scores in all of DC. This absolutely should have made her a very competitive candidate. And, ultimately, she did graduate with a degree from Penn in Engineering. She was indeed qualified as evidenced by the final outcome.

When she applied for college, unfortunately she was compared with her peer students from Sidwell. For example, if other NMSF students or students ranked higher were applying the same ivy (very likely because her college list includes all best schools), she may be the bottom one in that particular applicant pool. The school has to offer the true information for AO to compare. You can’t blame the school to tell the truth. It could be totally different if she was in a different school with the same academic profile where she ranked at top 1.

She went to an IVY a year later!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hope she could win the case. Our public school students will follow to sue MCPS, especially Blair and other magnet program.

Do they stiff students’ grades too and send out incorrect transcripts?[/quote
Teachers always mess up with tgrades by mistake. Don’t you know that? Never hear a mistake in one test will ruin the whole academic performance. If she was at top of her class, for example top 10%, they would have provided more concrete evidences in stead of these vague descriptions. Come on, use your common sense .

My dear, teachers do not always mess up with "Tgrades" by mistake. When they do though, the school would routinely send the corrected grades and transcripts and would not "mess up" someone's applications the way the math teachers at Sidwell seem to have done. Use your common sense.

Regardless of the merits of the lawsuit, what this case lets us see is the inner workings of Sidwell's grading and it leaves an uncomfortable taste in the mouth.

Maybe Sidwell corrected her grades not because she deserved the higher grade but because they were tired of arguing with her. Perhaps the classes were graded to a curve.

Plenty of AA and URM students have graduated from Sidwell and gone on to the best universities in this country. Somehow they managed. This girl's case that her treatment was based on racism is quite weak and insufficient.

My dear, common sense is quite clear here. The family and their daughter were pushy, obnoxious and demanding and ruined any relationship with the school and caused the school faculty to write mediocre recommendations because the colleges ask the teachers to be frank and honest in the recommendations, and she was rejected at almost all the colleges she applied to, which were also among the most competitive schools in the country.

In a word, yes, the school retaliated! The parents have a cause.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP repeating "read the filing" -- why is this being appealed to the Supreme Court if facts haven't materially changed from when this was in the lower courts where the judges likely read the same filings and ruled against the family nonetheless? Litigation 101.

This is such a frivolous case the Supreme Court will not bother spending 30 seconds deciding whether to take it.

[Anonymous]

The family believed that Sidwell offered some sort of guaranteed admission to the Ivy League. It does not. While a great number of Sidwell graduates matriculate to Ivy League institutions, it is not even 50% of the class. Her college list suggests to me that she failed to take the advice of applying to a mix of reach, target, and likely schools. As college admissions get more and more competitive, it is crucial to follow that advice. I do not think she has a case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hope she could win the case. Our public school students will follow to sue MCPS, especially Blair and other magnet program.

Do they stiff students’ grades too and send out incorrect transcripts?[/quote
Teachers always mess up with tgrades by mistake. Don’t you know that? Never hear a mistake in one test will ruin the whole academic performance. If she was at top of her class, for example top 10%, they would have provided more concrete evidences in stead of these vague descriptions. Come on, use your common sense .

My dear, teachers do not always mess up with "Tgrades" by mistake. When they do though, the school would routinely send the corrected grades and transcripts and would not "mess up" someone's applications the way the math teachers at Sidwell seem to have done. Use your common sense.

Regardless of the merits of the lawsuit, what this case lets us see is the inner workings of Sidwell's grading and it leaves an uncomfortable taste in the mouth.

Maybe Sidwell corrected her grades not because she deserved the higher grade but because they were tired of arguing with her. Perhaps the classes were graded to a curve.

Plenty of AA and URM students have graduated from Sidwell and gone on to the best universities in this country. Somehow they managed. This girl's case that her treatment was based on racism is quite weak and insufficient.

My dear, common sense is quite clear here. The family and their daughter were pushy, obnoxious and demanding and ruined any relationship with the school and caused the school faculty to write mediocre recommendations because the colleges ask the teachers to be frank and honest in the recommendations, and she was rejected at almost all the colleges she applied to, which were also among the most competitive schools in the country.

In a word, yes, the school retaliated! The parents have a cause.

Writing a mediocre recommendation in which you hinted the student was pushy and obnoxious because, well, the student was pushy and obnoxious isn't retaliation. It's the truth. And that's what colleges expect in the recommendations, not blatant lies.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t get into the colleges I wanted to go to and that everyone around me thought I would get in — many students have this experience.

Did I sue? No. I went to my safety school, studied hard, and later transferred to my top-choice school.

There are no guarantees. It is a subjective process and luck plays a big role.

You were not wronged in the process. That is the point of the case. Not knows what your academic profile looks like

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I read the CNN article, my first thought was what f**king parents? Then I found this thread and discover that the student was a good student and have the score to enter any selective college as a black girl. One of the 14 NMSF in entire DC. How many students in sidwell or othe top private schools were accepted into the ivys? If she was in a public school, she will be the poster child student. Unfortunately, she parents made a BIG mistake sending her to Sidwell. She could be the largest fish in a smaller pond, but in Sidwell, as a child of an immigrant, she was nobody! The parents may think my daughter has better grade than the famous first daughter and they have the same skin color. If the first daughter could.get into Harvard, my daughter should have a chance. When thing didnt go their way, they sue. Watched too much American TV and movies! Her parents dont know how to mingle with the elite and thought they can sue their way into the upper class.
I see the whole episode as how new immigrants struggle to climb social ladder. The door towards the elite class is closed to outsider. Breaking the code is not easy. It takes more than SAT and GPA. I wish the girl learneda few thing in Penn and find her way to move up. I am also guessing the family must belong to elite class in their home country.

She was not one of NMSF If you have read the entire thread. Her award is not psat grade-based. I got confused at beginning and then somebody pointed out. Also she had a C in her transcript. So she could not be the real top student In her class in Sidwell.

She was a National Achievement semi finalist, which is part of the National Merit program. It is for the top-scoring PSAT students who are black. She was one of only 14 students in all of DC to earn the distinction. Given that and her other achievements (sports), it’s pretty inexplicable that she would be the only student in all of Sidwell not to gain unconditional admission.

So it means her score was not high enough to be NMSF. She was not one of the 14 NMSF in Sidwell that year. We don’t know her whole academic profile, but it is very likely she was not at the top 15% of her class. It is impossible to get admitted into any ivy if not at the top 5 in a public school. Someone who is familiar with DC private may tell college placement of the top 15-25% students. My common sense tells this is a ridiculous case.

No one said she was. She was a National Achievement Semifinalist. That is a program under the National Merit program that recognizes the top-scoring African Americans in the U.S. She had one of the 14 top scores (presumably this also has a cutoff score) in all of DC. So when factored against all the other African Americans at all the other top privates and publics in DC, she had one of the 14 best scores in all of DC. This absolutely should have made her a very competitive candidate. And, ultimately, she did graduate with a degree from Penn in Engineering. She was indeed qualified as evidenced by the final outcome.

When she applied for college, unfortunately she was compared with her peer students from Sidwell. For example, if other NMSF students or students ranked higher were applying the same ivy (very likely because her college list includes all best schools), she may be the bottom one in that particular applicant pool. The school has to offer the true information for AO to compare. You can’t blame the school to tell the truth. It could be totally different if she was in a different school with the same academic profile where she ranked at top 1.

You can blame a school for incorrectly grading you and saying retaliation is off the table.