APS Elementary Location Working Group 4/12

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

Haha, no what is happening is Cherrydale contingent *which are *NOT* current ASFS parents by and large*, want to make ASFS their neighborhood school, and the way they saw that was to force Key to become a neighborhood school (b/c none of the Key parents want to move), and then basically boot immersion elsewhere in the county.

So the current parents at ASFS in general don't want to move to key, but if they are made to move (and the change in neighborhood preference for immersion may force the issue), they want to bring the staff and equipment which they hold in high value.

That doesn't make sense. ASFS is a neighborhood school now. If ASFS is in the Cherrydale neighborhood, why shouldn't it be Cherrydale's neighborhood school? No one is making the current parents at ASFS move. If current parents at ASFS are closer to the Key school because of the current haphazard boundary lines, then they should go to Key School if it becomes a neighborhood school.

Almost all the families at ASFS live closer to Key because 500+ of the students at ASFS are from the Key zone.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

Haha, no what is happening is Cherrydale contingent *which are *NOT* current ASFS parents by and large*, want to make ASFS their neighborhood school, and the way they saw that was to force Key to become a neighborhood school (b/c none of the Key parents want to move), and then basically boot immersion elsewhere in the county.

So the current parents at ASFS in general don't want to move to key, but if they are made to move (and the change in neighborhood preference for immersion may force the issue), they want to bring the staff and equipment which they hold in high value.

"bring the staff and equipment which they hold in high value" I see. Because the staff and equipment are your property and you don't want to share with other kids. Got it!

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

Haha, no what is happening is Cherrydale contingent *which are *NOT* current ASFS parents by and large*, want to make ASFS their neighborhood school, and the way they saw that was to force Key to become a neighborhood school (b/c none of the Key parents want to move), and then basically boot immersion elsewhere in the county.

So the current parents at ASFS in general don't want to move to key, but if they are made to move (and the change in neighborhood preference for immersion may force the issue), they want to bring the staff and equipment which they hold in high value.

That doesn't make sense. ASFS is a neighborhood school now. If ASFS is in the Cherrydale neighborhood, why shouldn't it be Cherrydale's neighborhood school? No one is making the current parents at ASFS move. If current parents at ASFS are closer to the Key school because of the current haphazard boundary lines, then they should go to Key School if it becomes a neighborhood school.

DP. My understanding is that the current ASFS families are not so much opposed to moving to Key as they are opposed to losing their curriculum. They don't feel a burning need to relocate from ASFS to Key because it's close enough, but if APS is going to make them move, they at least want to bring their equipment and staff with them as a compromise for consistency in curriculum.

[Anonymous]

The headache it would create for APS to kick the Key students out of their building just doesn’t seem worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

Haha, no what is happening is Cherrydale contingent *which are *NOT* current ASFS parents by and large*, want to make ASFS their neighborhood school, and the way they saw that was to force Key to become a neighborhood school (b/c none of the Key parents want to move), and then basically boot immersion elsewhere in the county.

So the current parents at ASFS in general don't want to move to key, but if they are made to move (and the change in neighborhood preference for immersion may force the issue), they want to bring the staff and equipment which they hold in high value.

That doesn't make sense. ASFS is a neighborhood school now. If ASFS is in the Cherrydale neighborhood, why shouldn't it be Cherrydale's neighborhood school? No one is making the current parents at ASFS move. If current parents at ASFS are closer to the Key school because of the current haphazard boundary lines, then they should go to Key School if it becomes a neighborhood school.

DP. My understanding is that the current ASFS families are not so much opposed to moving to Key as they are opposed to losing their curriculum. They don't feel a burning need to relocate from ASFS to Key because it's close enough, but if APS is going to make them move, they at least want to bring their equipment and staff with them as a compromise for consistency in curriculum.

I can understand the loss of curriculum, but aren't all schools in APS supposed to have some aspect of STEM or STEAM to them? To switch school sites, does not seem worth it as it doesn't solve any problems in number of seats. It just makes it easier for ASFS parents to stay ASFS.

[Anonymous]

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I can understand the loss of curriculum, but aren't all schools in APS supposed to have some aspect of STEM or STEAM to them? To switch school sites, does not seem worth it as it doesn't solve any problems in number of seats. It just makes it easier for ASFS parents to stay ASFS.

Which is why immersion needs to move west.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

That's not true. All staff/teachers I've talked to have been supportive. Some of them have been teaching this community for 20+ years, so they really see it as staying with the group of kids that they currently teach. If they redraw boundaries around ASFS, the overwhelming majority of the school will no longer be zoned for it. That's sad. Because then the overwhelming majority of Taylor will have to be rezoned to make room for the Key kids, and then those kids will have to go to other schools too.

[Anonymous]

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I can understand the loss of curriculum, but aren't all schools in APS supposed to have some aspect of STEM or STEAM to them? To switch school sites, does not seem worth it as it doesn't solve any problems in number of seats. It just makes it easier for ASFS parents to stay ASFS.

Which is why immersion needs to move west.

No, because there is already a W immersion. If the have to move its going to be a swap and they'll have to pay to move all the things like the lab equipment and art.

[Anonymous]

Other than cost, what is the issue with moving the lab stuff to Key? Or is it just money?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

That's not true. All staff/teachers I've talked to have been supportive. Some of them have been teaching this community for 20+ years, so they really see it as staying with the group of kids that they currently teach. If they redraw boundaries around ASFS, the overwhelming majority of the school will no longer be zoned for it. That's sad. Because then the overwhelming majority of Taylor will have to be rezoned to make room for the Key kids, and then those kids will have to go to other schools too.

I think the new ASFS will have to make room for lots and lots of Key kids. I think the demographics of the new ASFS are going to look quite different from how they look now.

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I can understand the loss of curriculum, but aren't all schools in APS supposed to have some aspect of STEM or STEAM to them? To switch school sites, does not seem worth it as it doesn't solve any problems in number of seats. It just makes it easier for ASFS parents to stay ASFS.

Which is why immersion needs to move west.

No, because there is already a W immersion. If the have to move its going to be a swap and they'll have to pay to move all the things like the lab equipment and art.

That does nothing for the seats problem. Key to ATS, ATS to whatever sacrificial lamb we come up with in the west. Ashlawn is looking pretty good.

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I can understand the loss of curriculum, but aren't all schools in APS supposed to have some aspect of STEM or STEAM to them? To switch school sites, does not seem worth it as it doesn't solve any problems in number of seats. It just makes it easier for ASFS parents to stay ASFS.

Which is why immersion needs to move west.

No, because there is already a W immersion. If the have to move its going to be a swap and they'll have to pay to move all the things like the lab equipment and art.

That does nothing for the seats problem. Key to ATS, ATS to whatever sacrificial lamb we come up with in the west. Ashlawn is looking pretty good.

The sacrificial lamb will be whichever school is paying the least attention. In a way the staff did Nottingham a favor by calling it out early, their PTA will stay on this even with the revised list and the staff will look for another site rather than take them on.

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I can understand the loss of curriculum, but aren't all schools in APS supposed to have some aspect of STEM or STEAM to them? To switch school sites, does not seem worth it as it doesn't solve any problems in number of seats. It just makes it easier for ASFS parents to stay ASFS.

Which is why immersion needs to move west.

No, because there is already a W immersion. If the have to move its going to be a swap and they'll have to pay to move all the things like the lab equipment and art.

That does nothing for the seats problem. Key to ATS, ATS to whatever sacrificial lamb we come up with in the west. Ashlawn is looking pretty good.

You guys, they aren't doing a three school swap to take the only E option school further west. Especially not if they have to do that 3-step process for all the C schools in the SW. How do you not understand this? It will be a one-for-one swap between Key and ASFS, if they move anyone at all. But they still need a fifth site because Montessori is getting moved off the Career Center site.

[Anonymous]

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I can understand the loss of curriculum, but aren't all schools in APS supposed to have some aspect of STEM or STEAM to them? To switch school sites, does not seem worth it as it doesn't solve any problems in number of seats. It just makes it easier for ASFS parents to stay ASFS.

Which is why immersion needs to move west.

No, because there is already a W immersion. If the have to move its going to be a swap and they'll have to pay to move all the things like the lab equipment and art.

That does nothing for the seats problem. Key to ATS, ATS to whatever sacrificial lamb we come up with in the west. Ashlawn is looking pretty good.

You guys, they aren't doing a three school swap to take the only E option school further west. Especially not if they have to do that 3-step process for all the C schools in the SW. How do you not understand this? It will be a one-for-one swap between Key and ASFS, if they move anyone at all. But they still need a fifth site because Montessori is getting moved off the Career Center site.

It's been pretty clear that the staff want to 1.) turn Key into a neighborhood school and 2.) get an option school in the west when Reed opens. At no point did they talk about even geographical distribution of option schools as a goal. It's not practical because there isn't an even geographical distribution of elementary school buildings to choose from.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

That's not true. All staff/teachers I've talked to have been supportive. Some of them have been teaching this community for 20+ years, so they really see it as staying with the group of kids that they currently teach. If they redraw boundaries around ASFS, the overwhelming majority of the school will no longer be zoned for it. That's sad. Because then the overwhelming majority of Taylor will have to be rezoned to make room for the Key kids, and then those kids will have to go to other schools too.

Why are the staff/teachers supportive of a move? What benefit is it to them if they change buildings?

Also, "that's sad" is an emotion and emotions aren't a part of the calculation.

As far as I know, unless ASFS teachers stay with their cohorts from Kindergarten on, each year kids change teachers. So why would it matter if teachers wanted to stay with a group of kids? Just so they can high five them in the hallway?