APS Elementary Location Working Group 4/12

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding the impetus for the apparent switches. I need the “why” question answered first. In other words, why would switching Key and AsF make sense? What’s the rationale?

Key is now an option school, so it doesn't necessarily have a neighborhood preference. ASFS is now a neighborhood school, but its not as centrally located in the current boundaries. So some people believe a switch makes the most sense, but there are a lot of reasons for why it doesn't make sense as well. It doesn't solve any problems about seats in the area. There are almost 1500 kids in the key zone and one school can not handle those kids. I still think making both a neighborhood school would be best, but then you boot the immersion program out. I don't understand why they had to remove the neighborhood preference from Key's option program to begin with. It's part of why people moved to the area.

It's not that it's not "centrally located", it's actually not in the boundary it serves at all! It's located in the Taylor boundary.

And maintaining the "status quo" actually requires a dramatic redraw of the boundary. Are you really going to send Rosslyn to Taylor? I don't even know if they have room.

They will when half of Taylor goes to Jamestown, half of Jamestown goes to Discovery . . . and so on as everything gets pushed West where the seats at Reed are opening up. Dramatic redraw is an understatement. Those are going to be some insane boundaries. I don't think Jamestown and Taylor have any idea how this impacts them. They think this is all about everyone else swapping schools. But, if things stay as they are, everyone will see a very different boundary map in the fall. Then, EVERYONE will freak out.

I hope they at least show a mock up of the new boundaries as part of the status quo option, just to show what the decision actually is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

Yes, it does seem selfish.

It makes sense long term. I realize you want to blame it on those selfish a-holes in Lyon Park or whoever, but having Key as a neighborhood school sets APS up to draw better boundaries and spend less on transportation.

It was a neighborhood school until about 2 minutes ago. Just restore the neighborhood admissions preference and problem solved.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure most people currently at Key would want that too.

It was a neighborhood/lottery hybrid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

Yes, it does seem selfish.

It makes sense long term. I realize you want to blame it on those selfish a-holes in Lyon Park or whoever, but having Key as a neighborhood school sets APS up to draw better boundaries and spend less on transportation.

They can make both Key and ASFS neighborhood schools. But, the only way that science equipment moves is if they swap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding the impetus for the apparent switches. I need the “why” question answered first. In other words, why would switching Key and AsF make sense? What’s the rationale?

Key is now an option school, so it doesn't necessarily have a neighborhood preference. ASFS is now a neighborhood school, but its not as centrally located in the current boundaries. So some people believe a switch makes the most sense, but there are a lot of reasons for why it doesn't make sense as well. It doesn't solve any problems about seats in the area. There are almost 1500 kids in the key zone and one school can not handle those kids. I still think making both a neighborhood school would be best, but then you boot the immersion program out. I don't understand why they had to remove the neighborhood preference from Key's option program to begin with. It's part of why people moved to the area.

It's not that it's not "centrally located", it's actually not in the boundary it serves at all! It's located in the Taylor boundary.

And maintaining the "status quo" actually requires a dramatic redraw of the boundary. Are you really going to send Rosslyn to Taylor? I don't even know if they have room.

They will when half of Taylor goes to Jamestown, half of Jamestown goes to Discovery . . . and so on as everything gets pushed West where the seats at Reed are opening up. Dramatic redraw is an understatement. Those are going to be some insane boundaries. I don't think Jamestown and Taylor have any idea how this impacts them. They think this is all about everyone else swapping schools. But, if things stay as they are, everyone will see a very different boundary map in the fall. Then, EVERYONE will freak out.

I hope they at least show a mock up of the new boundaries as part of the status quo option, just to show what the decision actually is.

Not happening. Would make way too much sense.

[Anonymous]

The dumbest “smart” people ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding the impetus for the apparent switches. I need the “why” question answered first. In other words, why would switching Key and AsF make sense? What’s the rationale?

Key is now an option school, so it doesn't necessarily have a neighborhood preference. ASFS is now a neighborhood school, but its not as centrally located in the current boundaries. So some people believe a switch makes the most sense, but there are a lot of reasons for why it doesn't make sense as well. It doesn't solve any problems about seats in the area. There are almost 1500 kids in the key zone and one school can not handle those kids. I still think making both a neighborhood school would be best, but then you boot the immersion program out. I don't understand why they had to remove the neighborhood preference from Key's option program to begin with. It's part of why people moved to the area.

It's not that it's not "centrally located", it's actually not in the boundary it serves at all! It's located in the Taylor boundary.

And maintaining the "status quo" actually requires a dramatic redraw of the boundary. Are you really going to send Rosslyn to Taylor? I don't even know if they have room.

They will when half of Taylor goes to Jamestown, half of Jamestown goes to Discovery . . . and so on as everything gets pushed West where the seats at Reed are opening up. Dramatic redraw is an understatement. Those are going to be some insane boundaries. I don't think Jamestown and Taylor have any idea how this impacts them. They think this is all about everyone else swapping schools. But, if things stay as they are, everyone will see a very different boundary map in the fall. Then, EVERYONE will freak out.

I hope they at least show a mock up of the new boundaries as part of the status quo option, just to show what the decision actually is.

Not happening. Would make way too much sense.

[Anonymous]

Will the new occupants of Key want to keep the beautiful Hispanic themed art there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will the new occupants of Key want to keep the beautiful Hispanic themed art there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the new occupants of Key want to keep the beautiful Hispanic themed art there?

I am against colonialism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

Yes, it does seem selfish.

It makes sense long term. I realize you want to blame it on those selfish a-holes in Lyon Park or whoever, but having Key as a neighborhood school sets APS up to draw better boundaries and spend less on transportation.

It was a neighborhood school until about 2 minutes ago. Just restore the neighborhood admissions preference and problem solved.

But, not solved. It is just a preference. Kids in the neighborhood can't be forced into immersion. You still have to find an elementary school for a large concentrated population.

And the problem is really with buses, which is why this all got started. It doesn't make sense to have all those kids in walking distance to a school but not walking there. And that area is only growing and will need seats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

Yes, it does seem selfish.

It makes sense long term. I realize you want to blame it on those selfish a-holes in Lyon Park or whoever, but having Key as a neighborhood school sets APS up to draw better boundaries and spend less on transportation.

It was a neighborhood school until about 2 minutes ago. Just restore the neighborhood admissions preference and problem solved.

That doesn't solve anything. That just means that people who can afford to buy there way into the Key school district get to choose between 2 schools, that they are guaranteed admission, while the rest of the county has to compete for immersion slots. It was to restore equity to the lottery system that made choice schools choice without neighborhood preference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

Yes, it does seem selfish.

It makes sense long term. I realize you want to blame it on those selfish a-holes in Lyon Park or whoever, but having Key as a neighborhood school sets APS up to draw better boundaries and spend less on transportation.

It was a neighborhood school until about 2 minutes ago. Just restore the neighborhood admissions preference and problem solved.

But, not solved. It is just a preference. Kids in the neighborhood can't be forced into immersion. You still have to find an elementary school for a large concentrated population.

And the problem is really with buses, which is why this all got started. It doesn't make sense to have all those kids in walking distance to a school but not walking there. And that area is only growing and will need seats.

Why can’t kids be forced into immersion? What’s the policy reason for that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

But, not solved. It is just a preference. Kids in the neighborhood can't be forced into immersion. You still have to find an elementary school for a large concentrated population.

And the problem is really with buses, which is why this all got started. It doesn't make sense to have all those kids in walking distance to a school but not walking there. And that area is only growing and will need seats.

Check out this development report for the major corridors in Arlington: https://projects.arlingtonva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/31/2017/08/Development-Summary-2017-8-7-17-FINAL.pdf

As of 7/1/17 there were 6000 housing units approved or under construction in the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor, 2300 of them in Rosslyn. I suspect there will be some kids living in a few of those.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

Haha, no what is happening is Cherrydale contingent *which are *NOT* current ASFS parents by and large*, want to make ASFS their neighborhood school, and the way they saw that was to force Key to become a neighborhood school (b/c none of the Key parents want to move), and then basically boot immersion elsewhere in the county.

So the current parents at ASFS in general don't want to move to key, but if they are made to move (and the change in neighborhood preference for immersion may force the issue), they want to bring the staff and equipment which they hold in high value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the school board won’t cave to the ASF parents. Key has been in its current building forever, and it’s location has helped the program flourish. It is also a large and growing program, and it would be nearly impossible to find another location where it would fit. ASF suffers overcrowding like all APS schools, but they shouldn’t be allowed to just pick and choose their building and all others be damned.

Seems like the most vocal people at ASFS don’t want to move at all. Many people would be fine either way (stay or move). But ASFS certainly isn’t PUSHING for a swap. What on earth gave you that idea?

Um, quite a lot of the people at ASFS who would be in the walk zone for Key or think they would be in the attendance zone for Key want a swap. A swap put them at Key with all of the science equipment the PTA apparently has bought over the years. So, yes, a majority (really, overwhelming majority) want a swap. If they both become a neighborhood school, the science stuff stays where it is and they are in the Key building without it.

So for their own selfish benefit...

Look, I live on the southern side of Rosslyn and just want to have my neighborhood school reasonably close to my house. They can leave the science lab for all I care.

All of us want that. Not all of us are going to get it.

It just seems selfish that there is a vocal group of people at ASFS who want this swap to happen on the premise that they may get to take the science stuff with them. I don't think the staff at ASFS are in favor of moving, so it's like parents against the school, yet they still want the staff to teach their kids?

Haha, no what is happening is Cherrydale contingent *which are *NOT* current ASFS parents by and large*, want to make ASFS their neighborhood school, and the way they saw that was to force Key to become a neighborhood school (b/c none of the Key parents want to move), and then basically boot immersion elsewhere in the county.

So the current parents at ASFS in general don't want to move to key, but if they are made to move (and the change in neighborhood preference for immersion may force the issue), they want to bring the staff and equipment which they hold in high value.

That doesn't make sense. ASFS is a neighborhood school now. If ASFS is in the Cherrydale neighborhood, why shouldn't it be Cherrydale's neighborhood school? No one is making the current parents at ASFS move. If current parents at ASFS are closer to the Key school because of the current haphazard boundary lines, then they should go to Key School if it becomes a neighborhood school.