New Ward 3 Homeless Families Shelter Site

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really doubt the MPD has the manpower to assign a permanent 24/7 guard detail over that shelter. In fact that's more the jurisdiction of the Housing Police, but I've never seen those guys outside of the NE and SE.

The only time that I've ever seen a cop from 2D actually walking a beat is when the officer is killing time walking the aisles of Best Buy in Tenleytown! Normally these Krispy Kreme kops never leave their cruisers.

The city doesn't exactly encourage these cops to be proactive, I don't blame them for trying to avoid being thrown under the bus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BTW you keep asking for evidence of things - how about some evidence that a shelter drags down property values?

I just skimmed a bunch of articles exploring what brings down property values and found not a single one that referenced homeless shelters - lousy schools, vacant properties, too many rentals, crime and even strip clubs show up on the lists but I didn't find a single one that included a homeless shelter.

So the burden is on you at this point - your being fearful of something is not reason enough to oppose it.

The management company that runs Cathedral Commons is pretty upset about the homeless shelter. It's not what they signed up for when they bought in as investors. The shelter iikely will affect future leasing prices and the town houses directly across from the shelter, which C-C is trying to rent for $8000/month.

I'm totally sympathetic to them. The way DC treats investors in the city--as if they are here to simply subsidize every madcap San Franciscan social scheme--is pretty deplorable. Unless you are a crony, you are treated with what seems to me airy condescension and assumption that you are simply here out of altruism, rather than to run the businesses a thriving city needs. And then we wonder why we have supermarket deserts etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really doubt the MPD has the manpower to assign a permanent 24/7 guard detail over that shelter. In fact that's more the jurisdiction of the Housing Police, but I've never seen those guys outside of the NE and SE.

The only time that I've ever seen a cop from 2D actually walking a beat is when the officer is killing time walking the aisles of Best Buy in Tenleytown! Normally these Krispy Kreme kops never leave their cruisers.

The city doesn't exactly encourage these cops to be proactive, I don't blame them for trying to avoid being thrown under the bus.

I asked a police officer to check on a homeless person who was creaming obscenities and death threats in front of CVS in Tenleytown, and the police officer became totally agitated and distraught. He tried to convince 'freedom of speech" and told me how difficult it was to check on the mentally ill. He finally caved in and called some sort of wellness van to check on the man, as he should have done in the first place, while he stood at a 20 foot distance. I have the greatest respect for police officers, but clearly they are terrified of being caught on tape intervening with our most highly fetishized citizens. With homeless encouraged to be on the streets rather than in a hospital (DC General, ahem) they are expected to be social workers and now shelter workers on top of their regular duties. I loved the suggestions that they take 'metro' to alleviate current parking difficulties as if they are somehow lesser entitled to choose whatever commute works best for them coming to their difficult jobs. I'm guessing in San Diego they are handing out hepatitis vaccines and we may not be far off that in DC, as we offer all kind of shelter privileges with no long term requirements or plan to move people to stability.

[Anonymous]

We as a society have dumped the responsibility of dealing with the homeless and mentally ill onto our justice system with predictable results. Most Police Departments in the nation give the bare minimum of training for handling the mentally ill. We could mandate much more training but that would require more money, something most Americans whether they admit it or not loathe to give more tax funding to help a segment of society that's well...despised.

It's why I'm incredulous at all the suggestions around here that putting a homeless shelter in the back of a Police station is going to magically solve everything; that argument completely ignores the myriad of mental health issues the homeless are prone to having, something the police are not really equipped to deal with long term.

[Anonymous]

I don't think homeless are in any way despised. I think people are frustrated by the fact that homeless never seem to move towards homes, better health etc.. And are called names when they suggest solutions that might break the cycle, like. Involuntary commitment and treatment. Or strict work, study and savings requirements. You're basically considered a horrible person if you don't just want to pass out free sandwiches to desperately I'll people lying in your bushes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think homeless are in any way despised. I think people are frustrated by the fact that homeless never seem to move towards homes, better health etc.. And are called names when they suggest solutions that might break the cycle, like. Involuntary commitment and treatment. Or strict work, study and savings requirements. You're basically considered a horrible person if you don't just want to pass out free sandwiches to desperately I'll people lying in your bushes.

Homeless people in general are not despised but homeless INDIVIDUALS are very much despised. People are more likely to frown at some guy passed out and sprawled out on the pavement in tattered clothes than feel sorrow or heartache for his predicament. People are more likely to fear some lady staggering around on a street corner rambling ridiculous sermons and screaming outrageous expletives than feel any sympathy or have any empathy for her plight. Seeing a public service announcement on tv about homeless people in general evokes thoughts of sadness. Seeing an actual homeless individual live and in-person evokes thoughts of disgust.

[Anonymous]

When did Union Station become a de facto homeless shelter? I returned on the train the other evening, and there must have been 100-150 people on the floor in the corridors and sleeping on the front benches. It wasn't a cold night, either. I support shelters, but train stations and public libraries were not intended to be those shelters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BTW you keep asking for evidence of things - how about some evidence that a shelter drags down property values?

I just skimmed a bunch of articles exploring what brings down property values and found not a single one that referenced homeless shelters - lousy schools, vacant properties, too many rentals, crime and even strip clubs show up on the lists but I didn't find a single one that included a homeless shelter.

So the burden is on you at this point - your being fearful of something is not reason enough to oppose it.

The management company that runs Cathedral Commons is pretty upset about the homeless shelter. It's not what they signed up for when they bought in as investors. The shelter iikely will affect future leasing prices and the town houses directly across from the shelter, which C-C is trying to rent for $8000/month.

I'm totally sympathetic to them. The way DC treats investors in the city--as if they are here to simply subsidize every madcap San Franciscan social scheme--is pretty deplorable. Unless you are a crony, you are treated with what seems to me airy condescension and assumption that you are simply here out of altruism, rather than to run the businesses a thriving city needs. And then we wonder why we have supermarket deserts etc.

That people are calling it the "Cathedral Commons homeless shelter" probably drives the investor-operators crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well good news is construction of the shelter isn't anticipated to be complete until summer of 2019 so for all the posters freaking out about the Ward 3 homeless families shelter site you've got plenty of time to buy your guns or get your neighborhood watch militias organized or simply pack your shit and move elsewhere.

If you live next to the shelter, don't worry that you'll be taking a 20% hit to market value over what you could have sold for before the site was announced. Someone has to take one for the team, and people like the prior poster are quietly glad that it's not them and their neighbors. You know, "One DC," and all that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well good news is construction of the shelter isn't anticipated to be complete until summer of 2019 so for all the posters freaking out about the Ward 3 homeless families shelter site you've got plenty of time to buy your guns or get your neighborhood watch militias organized or simply pack your shit and move elsewhere.

If you live next to the shelter, don't worry that you'll be taking a 20% hit to market value over what you could have sold for before the site was announced. Someone has to take one for the team, and people like the prior poster are quietly glad that it's not them and their neighbors. You know, "One DC," and all that.

I'd rather have that problem (GASP!! - 20% hit to market value) than the problems that the people who live in the shelter have to deal with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well good news is construction of the shelter isn't anticipated to be complete until summer of 2019 so for all the posters freaking out about the Ward 3 homeless families shelter site you've got plenty of time to buy your guns or get your neighborhood watch militias organized or simply pack your shit and move elsewhere.

If you live next to the shelter, don't worry that you'll be taking a 20% hit to market value over what you could have sold for before the site was announced. Someone has to take one for the team, and people like the prior poster are quietly glad that it's not them and their neighbors. You know, "One DC," and all that.

I'd rather have that problem (GASP!! - 20% hit to market value) than the problems that the people who live in the shelter have to deal with.[/quote

Do tell us about your effort to house a homeless family and rallying your neighbors to do the same. Do you have an English basement or spare room to let? I'm sure you'd invite them in with no concerns or preconditions because they are homeless?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well good news is construction of the shelter isn't anticipated to be complete until summer of 2019 so for all the posters freaking out about the Ward 3 homeless families shelter site you've got plenty of time to buy your guns or get your neighborhood watch militias organized or simply pack your shit and move elsewhere.

If you live next to the shelter, don't worry that you'll be taking a 20% hit to market value over what you could have sold for before the site was announced. Someone has to take one for the team, and people like the prior poster are quietly glad that it's not them and their neighbors. You know, "One DC," and all that.

I'd rather have that problem (GASP!! - 20% hit to market value) than the problems that the people who live in the shelter have to deal with.[/quote

Do tell us about your effort to house a homeless family and rallying your neighbors to do the same. Do you have an English basement or spare room to let? I'm sure you'd invite them in with no concerns or preconditions because they are homeless?

Can you read? I simply said I'd rather have one problem over the other, that I'd rather be faced with one predicament over the other. I didn't say I was Mother Theresa and truth be told I have no aspirations to be - I'm happy with who I am and believe me, I'm happy with the problems that I have because they pale in comparison to the problems that others have to face in their lives particularly homeless people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When did Union Station become a de facto homeless shelter? I returned on the train the other evening, and there must have been 100-150 people on the floor in the corridors and sleeping on the front benches. It wasn't a cold night, either. I support shelters, but train stations and public libraries were not intended to be those shelters.

They should've just converted Tenley Library into a shelter, it's already one practically right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well good news is construction of the shelter isn't anticipated to be complete until summer of 2019 so for all the posters freaking out about the Ward 3 homeless families shelter site you've got plenty of time to buy your guns or get your neighborhood watch militias organized or simply pack your shit and move elsewhere.

If you live next to the shelter, don't worry that you'll be taking a 20% hit to market value over what you could have sold for before the site was announced. Someone has to take one for the team, and people like the prior poster are quietly glad that it's not them and their neighbors. You know, "One DC," and all that.

I'd rather have that problem (GASP!! - 20% hit to market value) than the problems that the people who live in the shelter have to deal with.[/quote

Do tell us about your effort to house a homeless family and rallying your neighbors to do the same. Do you have an English basement or spare room to let? I'm sure you'd invite them in with no concerns or preconditions because they are homeless?

Can you read? I simply said I'd rather have one problem over the other, that I'd rather be faced with one predicament over the other. I didn't say I was Mother Theresa and truth be told I have no aspirations to be - I'm happy with who I am and believe me, I'm happy with the problems that I have because they pale in comparison to the problems that others have to face in their lives particularly homeless people.

Or people whose property value plummets 20%. You do know that going underwater leads to homelessness. I'm curious why you have zero sympathy for them? Who is helping them or giving them a handout? Do you think they somehow gamed the system to buy their homes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well good news is construction of the shelter isn't anticipated to be complete until summer of 2019 so for all the posters freaking out about the Ward 3 homeless families shelter site you've got plenty of time to buy your guns or get your neighborhood watch militias organized or simply pack your shit and move elsewhere.

If you live next to the shelter, don't worry that you'll be taking a 20% hit to market value over what you could have sold for before the site was announced. Someone has to take one for the team, and people like the prior poster are quietly glad that it's not them and their neighbors. You know, "One DC," and all that.

I'd rather have that problem (GASP!! - 20% hit to market value) than the problems that the people who live in the shelter have to deal with.[/quote

Do tell us about your effort to house a homeless family and rallying your neighbors to do the same. Do you have an English basement or spare room to let? I'm sure you'd invite them in with no concerns or preconditions because they are homeless?

Can you read? I simply said I'd rather have one problem over the other, that I'd rather be faced with one predicament over the other. I didn't say I was Mother Theresa and truth be told I have no aspirations to be - I'm happy with who I am and believe me, I'm happy with the problems that I have because they pale in comparison to the problems that others have to face in their lives particularly homeless people.

Or people whose property value plummets 20%. You do know that going underwater leads to homelessness. I'm curious why you have zero sympathy for them? Who is helping them or giving them a handout? Do you think they somehow gamed the system to buy their homes?

Yeah you definitely have reading comprehension issues. Either that or you're a jackass looking for a fight. Well, I may not be Mother Theresa but I'm all for giving needy people a hug...
I sympathize so, so very much for people who's property values will plummet as a result of the planned shelter that will be erected in their neighborhood for people who have no such advantage of home equity.
You okay now? Feel better? Am I allowed to hold the opinion that I'd rather be in one person's shoes than the other now?