MOCO - County Wide Upzoning, Everywhere

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Anonymous wrote:Remember that the Planning Board is supposed to brief the Attainable Housing Report to the County Council PHP Committee at 1:30 PM today. One of the last opportunities, along with the committee working sessions in July, before the rubbber stamp that tends to be given when in front of the full Council, whatever grandstanding they might do prior to a vote.

3rd Floor Council Hearing Room (3CHR)
100 Maryland Avenue, Rockville

https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=169&event_id=16197

The report to be briefed:
https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/2024--AHS-Final-Report.pdf

Info website:
https://montgomeryplanning.org/planning/housing/attainable-housing-strategies-initiative/attainable-housing-strategies-initiative-resources/

The map (once one adds the layers for AHOM & PHD; those properties along corridors would allow densities up to apartment buildings) is informative, as is the recommendations matrix. The first entry, there, that the planned Zoning Text Amendments will not be part of the transmitted report indicates that there will not be full discussion of the combined effects, while the report, itself, indicates that Planning also has not evaluated the stacked impact of the recent state legislation, so that, too, will not be part of the discussion.

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https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/2024-AHS-Final-Report.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember that the Planning Board is supposed to brief the Attainable Housing Report to the County Council PHP Committee at 1:30 PM today. One of the last opportunities, along with the committee working sessions in July, before the rubbber stamp that tends to be given when in front of the full Council, whatever grandstanding they might do prior to a vote.

3rd Floor Council Hearing Room (3CHR)
100 Maryland Avenue, Rockville

https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=169&event_id=16197

The report to be briefed:
https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/2024--AHS-Final-Report.pdf

Info website:
https://montgomeryplanning.org/planning/housing/attainable-housing-strategies-initiative/attainable-housing-strategies-initiative-resources/

The map (once one adds the layers for AHOM & PHD; those properties along corridors would allow densities up to apartment buildings) is informative, as is the recommendations matrix. The first entry, there, that the planned Zoning Text Amendments will not be part of the transmitted report indicates that there will not be full discussion of the combined effects, while the report, itself, indicates that Planning also has not evaluated the stacked impact of the recent state legislation, so that, too, will not be part of the discussion.

Report does not load—just Error

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/2024-AHS-Final-Report.pdf

People used to think that I was strange for buying a vacation house elsewhere that cost as much as our house in MOCO (instead of building a much bigger house here) but I’m feeling pretty smug about it right now.

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Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

What a weird thing to say. Buses actually are mass transit, and lots of people ride buses, right now. There were over 14 million trips just on RideOn, last year, and that doesn't include Metrobus ridership. And also with bus service that still isn't as good, overall, as it was before covid. Maybe you don't ride buses, but that's a you issue.

Glad you agree that having just 19,000 round trips a day in a county of more than a million people makes the bus a fringe transportation solution.

Good grief. Imagine calling buses a fringe transportation solution.

I've lived in Bethesda for 40 years and never taken the bus (RideOn or Metro Bus). There are stations all over and I think I've seen one person, max, at most of them at any point.

It's Fringe.

[Anonymous]

WTF... The Planning Board recommends creating a new type of Minor Subdivision to allow for the subdivision of existing platted lots for duplex and multiplex building types under the standard method (small scale) of development, and a new Administrative Subdivision for creating lots for 19 or fewer dwelling units as either standard method (small scale) or smaller AHOM developments (medium scale)...This is absurd. They are recommending a development loophole that will allow by right subdivisions with less than 20 unit developments.

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It actually will cover the Agricultural and rural residential area too. They a proposing a change the the zoning text that will allow quadplexes in in all of these areas was well. It is actually an 4x minimum upzoning change for the entire county!! This is a total handout to developers and without any concern for school capacity or the environment.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s sadly way too much “community involvement” and “environmental studies”. Anybody can make a fuss and block a project, it’s crazy! With these, there’s no way the county can grow to the level it needs to be competitive to NOVA. Maryland is a bunch of busybodies that love to shuffle money around without anything getting done. Let people build, let businesses come and make money. It’s not that hard.

Let developers come and make money to the detriment of current residents, who not only will have more crowded environs, but will end up footing the bill for the failure of the proposed changes to address associated additional burdens on schools, public facilities & infrastructure, which already are inadequate/underfunded?

As long as growth is immediately fiscally neutral (if not positive) then what’s the problem with it?

Attracting more lower income residents through these proposed changes is not fiscally neutral. They are net tax losses to the County. They will not pay enough in taxes of any kind to offset the services being provided them. Simple fact.

[Anonymous]

Well I think that we already know what the YImBYs think of people that oppose this plan, but they normally try to hide it. However, I pulled these fascinating quotes from some prolific posters over on YIMBY MoCo:

“Property values will be fine.

It would be fine if they went down some”

“These new homes are really expensive, but ones that exist are even more expensive because sure they are sitting on more land, so obviously we’ve made the neighborhood cost less by building denser housing and we haven’t even started talking about about the new supply’s effect on the prices of existing home prices yet.”

Always remember, part of their plan is bringing down your property value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well I think that we already know what the YImBYs think of people that oppose this plan, but they normally try to hide it. However, I pulled these fascinating quotes from some prolific posters over on YIMBY MoCo:

“Property values will be fine.

It would be fine if they went down some”

“These new homes are really expensive, but ones that exist are even more expensive because sure they are sitting on more land, so obviously we’ve made the neighborhood cost less by building denser housing and we haven’t even started talking about about the new supply’s effect on the prices of existing home prices yet.”

Always remember, part of their plan is bringing down your property value.

The TE agents will love it, too. There is a certain real estate agency owner that sells a lot of houses in Silver Spring that is a very vocal YIMBY supporter. I would never give her or any of her agents my business. She publicly talks about it but I don’t know the rules here about naming people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WTF... The Planning Board recommends creating a new type of Minor Subdivision to allow for the subdivision of existing platted lots for duplex and multiplex building types under the standard method (small scale) of development, and a new Administrative Subdivision for creating lots for 19 or fewer dwelling units as either standard method (small scale) or smaller AHOM developments (medium scale)...This is absurd. They are recommending a development loophole that will allow by right subdivisions with less than 20 unit developments.

It appears so. Anywhere within 500 feet of one of the corridors, so pretty much 1 block left or right of Georgia, Connecticut, University, River, Wisconsin, Colesville, New Hampshire, Randolph/Montrose, etc.

Agenda item just started. 240-773-3333 to listen in.

"Were going to move forward with policy changes"

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Also YouTube livestream:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=55h90lVpZJI

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WTF do they mean by housing that "adds value" to neighborhoods. How will they do that by adding traffic congestion, overflow parking into the street, increasing water runoff. Also apparently increasing the density of neighborhood by 2-4x will have a "de minimus" impact on school overcrowding.

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They are also trying to set this as a homeownership opportunity, when they will be mostly rentals.

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Anonymous wrote:They are also trying to set this as a homeownership opportunity, when they will be mostly rentals.

Maryland HOA laws will make it almost impossible that these will be anything but rentals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WTF... The Planning Board recommends creating a new type of Minor Subdivision to allow for the subdivision of existing platted lots for duplex and multiplex building types under the standard method (small scale) of development, and a new Administrative Subdivision for creating lots for 19 or fewer dwelling units as either standard method (small scale) or smaller AHOM developments (medium scale)...This is absurd. They are recommending a development loophole that will allow by right subdivisions with less than 20 unit developments.

It appears so. Anywhere within 500 feet of one of the corridors, so pretty much 1 block left or right of Georgia, Connecticut, University, River, Wisconsin, Colesville, New Hampshire, Randolph/Montrose, etc.

Agenda item just started. 240-773-3333 to listen in.

"Were going to move forward with policy changes"

500 feet is like 3 blocks.

[Anonymous]

They also were very condescending to resident concerns by referring to them as "misconceptions". Many residents disagree with this proposal and think it goes too far. They don't misunderstand it, they just think it is a bad policy decision.