Taylor Swift album Tortured Poets Department leaked early?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like it's a psy op that this 34.5 year old woman remains this popular with this same blasé subject matter. This "new" material from a middle aged woman is so cringe, I'm sorry. How are people not tired of this recycled dating and breakup babble after 11 albums? It makes sense for teens and 20-something pop stars (see Olivia Rodrigo, age 21) to sing about dating and breakup subject matter, but at age 34.5 it is pure cringe.

You’re undermining your point with the weird “34 and a half” thing

I'm merely underscoring her literal age, which makes her far too old for this same arrested development dating and breakup babble. Yeah yeah it's making her a lot of money, so who cares. Okay, if it's just her being a shameless money grabber and trying to milk cash from her loyal fanatics, let's not pretend this cringy blasé material is so deep and profound. People are hyper-analyzing a 34.5 year old's dating life songs... come on.

Agree with all of this. How many different relationships of hers has she referred to in her music as “a masterpiece,” something she’s “willing to die for” or “life would lose all its meaning” without? She’s 34 and every few months she’s torn up about another boy. Really? It is cringe. At this point, it’s like we’re on season 25 of Greys Anatomy.

Every few months? Her last serious relationship lasted 6 years!

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like it's a psy op that this 34.5 year old woman remains this popular with this same blasé subject matter. This "new" material from a middle aged woman is so cringe, I'm sorry. How are people not tired of this recycled dating and breakup babble after 11 albums? It makes sense for teens and 20-something pop stars (see Olivia Rodrigo, age 21) to sing about dating and breakup subject matter, but at age 34.5 it is pure cringe.

How old are you using the phrase “pure cringe”? Come on pot kettle.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like it's a psy op that this 34.5 year old woman remains this popular with this same blasé subject matter. This "new" material from a middle aged woman is so cringe, I'm sorry. How are people not tired of this recycled dating and breakup babble after 11 albums? It makes sense for teens and 20-something pop stars (see Olivia Rodrigo, age 21) to sing about dating and breakup subject matter, but at age 34.5 it is pure cringe.

You’re undermining your point with the weird “34 and a half” thing

I'm merely underscoring her literal age, which makes her far too old for this same arrested development dating and breakup babble. Yeah yeah it's making her a lot of money, so who cares. Okay, if it's just her being a shameless money grabber and trying to milk cash from her loyal fanatics, let's not pretend this cringy blasé material is so deep and profound. People are hyper-analyzing a 34.5 year old's dating life songs... come on.

Agree with all of this. How many different relationships of hers has she referred to in her music as “a masterpiece,” something she’s “willing to die for” or “life would lose all its meaning” without? She’s 34 and every few months she’s torn up about another boy. Really? It is cringe. At this point, it’s like we’re on season 25 of Greys Anatomy.

Every few months? Her last serious relationship lasted 6 years!

And yet, her most recent album paints Marty Healy like a star crossed lover, and she’s been in another high profile relationship for the last 8-9 months or so.

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Anonymous wrote:^ And to add, this isn't only in the world of music. The most successful actors / movies aren't necessarily the most talented actors out there either. Nor are the most successful people the best and most talented either.

Taylor, Kardashians, Jerry Seinfeld, Elon Musk, Drake. Lots of ways to have great career success without being all that talented.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote one of the most successful sitcoms of all time. It was innovative and unique. Yes, he is talented, as is Taylor.

Seinfeld wasn’t popular until it was squeezed between Friends and ER. It was first on Tuesday night, then Wednesday and finally Thursday. I see Friends is on all day on TBS, The Big Bang at night and Friends on Nik at night. I barely see Seinfeld anywhere. Seinfeld is a clear example of being at the right place, the right time for success. It really isn’t that funny.

NP. I will vehemently disagree with you on this. Seinfeld took a while to find its rhythm, but became a smash hit that ended before the fans wanted it to. Seinfeld episodes are on every single day somewhere in syndication. It did benefit from right place/right time, but that doesn't explain it's high popularity then and since.

Now back to Taylor.

That’s why Seinfeld is on TV every day and good…LOL!

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Anonymous wrote:Adele is great. But she is low energy. She’s not trying to put out a double album every year.
And I’m sure she’s happier for it.

Adele’s Hello breakup album hits home for me more than Taylor’s, JMO.

Sure. I love Adele. Those two are just so different. I enjoy them both.

The difference between Adele and Taylor’s music is that Adele’s music has matured alongside her. Taylor and her music seem developmentally stuck at age 21 or so.

Is that a diss? Whatever she is putting out there breaks records every time. There's space in the industry for everyone. Who cares what another artist does.

Her business / marketing team has done a great job of selling her brand. Her fans will buy anything - they don't even assess quality. If its connected to Taylor, they love it. Kylie Jenner's lipstick also broke records and made her rich. Do I think that is because of her incredible talent in creating make-up and her genius intelligence - no. To me, they are similar. Both have great teams around them who created a brand that sells and a fan base who will buy anything related to the brand.

One point in Taylor's favor is that she doesn't just slap her name on crap - makeup, shoes, liquor/wine, etc.

Taylor at least creates her own product.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire album is about Matty. I know I am in the minority, but I loved them together. They are so similar - tortured poets, musicians who enjoy their booze and are a little chaotic at times but brilliant too. And it’s well known she loves a Brit.

It’s such a tragic album really. It’s clear they both were hot for each other for a long time. They have the same producer and close friend, Jack Antonoff, who helped them stay in touch or reconnect. It is likely she left Joe who she was bored with to be with Matty. Then the fans went feral about Matty being “problematic” and also her tour had just started, so it was probably too much strain on him and the relationship. But yah, those two were pining for each other for over a decade (so many clues!) and would have made the cutest babies…unlike the current jock.

The lyric “I would have died for your sins, instead I just died inside…” She was ready to stick by him regardless of public opinion and her dad’s advice (though was she really going to throw so much away?), but he was probably spooked and wanted out.

Yes she wrote and produced the album in less than a year.

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Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire album is about Matty. I know I am in the minority, but I loved them together. They are so similar - tortured poets, musicians who enjoy their booze and are a little chaotic at times but brilliant too. And it’s well known she loves a Brit.

It’s such a tragic album really. It’s clear they both were hot for each other for a long time. They have the same producer and close friend, Jack Antonoff, who helped them stay in touch or reconnect. It is likely she left Joe who she was bored with to be with Matty. Then the fans went feral about Matty being “problematic” and also her tour had just started, so it was probably too much strain on him and the relationship. But yah, those two were pining for each other for over a decade (so many clues!) and would have made the cutest babies…unlike the current jock.

The lyric “I would have died for your sins, instead I just died inside…” She was ready to stick by him regardless of public opinion and her dad’s advice (though was she really going to throw so much away?), but he was probably spooked and wanted out.

Yes she wrote and produced the album in less than a year.

These two have been together for a lot longer than the public knows about. She sang at his band’s concert last January. And they were hanging out together with their mutual friends at parties and dinners back in 2022.
This album is definitely about Matty, except for So Long, London.

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

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So Matty and Taylor have been friends for years, maybe had a brief flirtation sometime pre-Joe, and then reconnected during her breakup with Joe. And Matty swooped in, took advantage of her vulnerability, said all the things she'd been wanting to hear from Joe - basically love-bombed her.

And then he ghosted her. So she lost not only a romantic partner, but a long-term, trusted friend. On top of the end of a 6-year relationship.

She lays it all out in the songs. She admits her foolishness, her mistakes. There are some brutally honest songs, in the best tradition of Joni Mitchell, Stevie Nicks, Linda Thompson, Beyonce.

I think she just wanted to get it all out because she's ready to turn the page and move on. Thanks to Travis Kelce, who is of the "glass half-full," IDGAF school. And who openly adores her and is willing to put up with all that comes with being her bf.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.

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I love it. Her new album is lyrically fantastic.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are some of you perhaps reading too much into the songs? There's no rule that says every song is a gospel retelling of a specific relationship.

Yes but they will read between every line to try to put her down.

It’s weird.

People did that Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears when they were at the top of their game.

People love to be haters.

The haters seem keenly aware of her lyrics, relationships, age, and other facts about her. It's a bit odd to be so invested in something that's not their cup of tea. Supposedly.

That’s because we’re not haters. We like(d) her music enough and own some of it, but also think the themes and slander of her recent exes on each album is juvenile and has gotten old. It’s like a comedian telling the same joke for 20 years - there’s no range.

I guess you're no longer the target demographic. She's got a fan base and some stick with her, some move on, and some girls may be aging into the angst as tweens who haven't been following her for 18 years. Maybe the music is just not for you anymore.

Yes, I think that’s fair. I just find it interesting that neither Taylor nor her music have really evolved, especially when her whole thing is writing songs like a diary. She definitely has a market and she’s a phenomenon, but I don’t know- I’m her age and I compare her to someone like Billy Joel, who has albums and albums of diverse songs and themes, and I’m just kind of “meh” about TS now. I liked her early stuff but yes, it seems ive outgrown her music, which to me, has gotten stale - and also kind of sad to be trashing your exes so publicly.