So it’s 22% tips now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back in the 1980s folks gave 15 to 20 percent. 15 percent mediocre service up to 20 percent great service. But that was CASH.
20 percent today on credit card is not anywhere near what it was.
It is minus
Credit card fee
Holding back portion bus boys and back of house
Unemployment insurance
Social security
Medicare tax
State tax
Fed tax
Plus if a student on financial aid or adult with subsidized Obama care it impacts their financial aid or health care premium.

So the $100 tip of 1989 in cash vs. $100 tip on credit card in 2023 is a massive difference.

And some restaurants if credit card fraud and charge reversed takes back the credit card tip.

So you are mad about actually having to pay taxes on your income, tipping out back of house staff, and not being able to hide your income from your university or the government in order to get more subsidies that are intended for people below a certain income?

So you're upset that servers have to play by the exact same rules as everyone else? The horrors.

[Anonymous]

Oh a lot of servers used to under-report their tips on purpose to avoid those taxes, now they are mad they can't easily commit tax fraud because very few people tip in cash anymore.

Too bad, not my problem. As it happens, I normally pay and tip in cash, but for my own benefit, not that of the restaurants and/or waiters.

[Anonymous]

I pay in cash when eating out. I don’t trust anyone taking my credit card out of my view. I do 15% pre-tax as a standard tip for expected service — either rounded up or down to the nearest dollar. I’ll go up to 20% if service was exceptional. I’ll go down to nothing if service was bad and the server didn’t care.

Tipping in general has gotten out of hand in the US. It’s shifted from an earned reward to an entitled demand. It’s gone from “tipping the server” to “fleecing the customer.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I pay in cash when eating out. I don’t trust anyone taking my credit card out of my view. I do 15% pre-tax as a standard tip for expected service — either rounded up or down to the nearest dollar. I’ll go up to 20% if service was exceptional. I’ll go down to nothing if service was bad and the server didn’t care.

Tipping in general has gotten out of hand in the US. It’s shifted from an earned reward to an entitled demand. It’s gone from “tipping the server” to “fleecing the customer.”

Agree on the general sentiments, but at 15% you’re cheating the server. It hasn’t been 15% for many many years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I pay in cash when eating out. I don’t trust anyone taking my credit card out of my view. I do 15% pre-tax as a standard tip for expected service — either rounded up or down to the nearest dollar. I’ll go up to 20% if service was exceptional. I’ll go down to nothing if service was bad and the server didn’t care.

Tipping in general has gotten out of hand in the US. It’s shifted from an earned reward to an entitled demand. It’s gone from “tipping the server” to “fleecing the customer.”

Agree on the general sentiments, but at 15% you’re cheating the server. It hasn’t been 15% for many many years.

Similarly, if you order just a kids macaroni and a plate of soup for yourself, then you are cheating the waiter because she could have gotten a table where someone orders steak and dessert and drinks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I pay in cash when eating out. I don’t trust anyone taking my credit card out of my view. I do 15% pre-tax as a standard tip for expected service — either rounded up or down to the nearest dollar. I’ll go up to 20% if service was exceptional. I’ll go down to nothing if service was bad and the server didn’t care.

Tipping in general has gotten out of hand in the US. It’s shifted from an earned reward to an entitled demand. It’s gone from “tipping the server” to “fleecing the customer.”

Agree on the general sentiments, but at 15% you’re cheating the server. It hasn’t been 15% for many many years.

I am cheating anybody. That’s what you will get.

-dp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I pay in cash when eating out. I don’t trust anyone taking my credit card out of my view. I do 15% pre-tax as a standard tip for expected service — either rounded up or down to the nearest dollar. I’ll go up to 20% if service was exceptional. I’ll go down to nothing if service was bad and the server didn’t care.

Tipping in general has gotten out of hand in the US. It’s shifted from an earned reward to an entitled demand. It’s gone from “tipping the server” to “fleecing the customer.”

Agree on the general sentiments, but at 15% you’re cheating the server. It hasn’t been 15% for many many years.

I am cheating anybody. That’s what you will get.

-dp

I am cheating even more by not eating at your diner

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in the 1980s folks gave 15 to 20 percent. 15 percent mediocre service up to 20 percent great service. But that was CASH.
20 percent today on credit card is not anywhere near what it was.
It is minus
Credit card fee
Holding back portion bus boys and back of house
Unemployment insurance
Social security
Medicare tax
State tax
Fed tax
Plus if a student on financial aid or adult with subsidized Obama care it impacts their financial aid or health care premium.

So the $100 tip of 1989 in cash vs. $100 tip on credit card in 2023 is a massive difference.

And some restaurants if credit card fraud and charge reversed takes back the credit card tip.

So you are mad about actually having to pay taxes on your income, tipping out back of house staff, and not being able to hide your income from your university or the government in order to get more subsidies that are intended for people below a certain income?

So you're upset that servers have to play by the exact same rules as everyone else? The horrors.

Because it is such low pay not worth it on card. Let’s say a baby sitter comes over and you say $10 an hour I ordered a pie. But you actually pay her $6 an hour do to “withholding. You just gave her a 40 percent pay cut.

You should pay her like $14.50 and hour if you are taking 40 percent to equal $10

[Anonymous]

I came to Chicago for work this week and have seen suggested tips here as high as 25% which I was surprised by given it’s the Midwest which is supposed to be more affordable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in the 1980s folks gave 15 to 20 percent. 15 percent mediocre service up to 20 percent great service. But that was CASH.
20 percent today on credit card is not anywhere near what it was.
It is minus
Credit card fee
Holding back portion bus boys and back of house
Unemployment insurance
Social security
Medicare tax
State tax
Fed tax
Plus if a student on financial aid or adult with subsidized Obama care it impacts their financial aid or health care premium.

So the $100 tip of 1989 in cash vs. $100 tip on credit card in 2023 is a massive difference.

And some restaurants if credit card fraud and charge reversed takes back the credit card tip.

So you are mad about actually having to pay taxes on your income, tipping out back of house staff, and not being able to hide your income from your university or the government in order to get more subsidies that are intended for people below a certain income?

So you're upset that servers have to play by the exact same rules as everyone else? The horrors.

Because it is such low pay not worth it on card. Let’s say a baby sitter comes over and you say $10 an hour I ordered a pie. But you actually pay her $6 an hour do to “withholding. You just gave her a 40 percent pay cut.

You should pay her like $14.50 and hour if you are taking 40 percent to equal $10

Stop trying to justify your tax fraud. You are supposed to have taxes, social security, etc taken out of your earnings like everyone else. We have no sympathy for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in the 1980s folks gave 15 to 20 percent. 15 percent mediocre service up to 20 percent great service. But that was CASH.
20 percent today on credit card is not anywhere near what it was.
It is minus
Credit card fee
Holding back portion bus boys and back of house
Unemployment insurance
Social security
Medicare tax
State tax
Fed tax
Plus if a student on financial aid or adult with subsidized Obama care it impacts their financial aid or health care premium.

So the $100 tip of 1989 in cash vs. $100 tip on credit card in 2023 is a massive difference.

And some restaurants if credit card fraud and charge reversed takes back the credit card tip.

So you are mad about actually having to pay taxes on your income, tipping out back of house staff, and not being able to hide your income from your university or the government in order to get more subsidies that are intended for people below a certain income?

So you're upset that servers have to play by the exact same rules as everyone else? The horrors.

Because it is such low pay not worth it on card. Let’s say a baby sitter comes over and you say $10 an hour I ordered a pie. But you actually pay her $6 an hour do to “withholding. You just gave her a 40 percent pay cut.

You should pay her like $14.50 and hour if you are taking 40 percent to equal $10

Stop trying to justify your tax fraud. You are supposed to have taxes, social security, etc taken out of your earnings like everyone else. We have no sympathy for you.

Do you feel the same way about undocumented workers paid cash?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Minimum wage is not enough to compensate a server in a restaurant.

The same argument can be made for every single minimum wage job, including those where tips are not customary. What’s the solution for those jobs?

Solution to this in the US always had been "lifting yourself up by the bootstraps" and seeking better opportunities where these low wage jobs are a means to an end. Many in service jobs have other occupations or dreams or ideas, often stuff that doesn't pay or may pay in the future. They are banking on it while working low wage jobs. Some work them while they are in college or between other jobs. For those from generational poverty or recent immigrants it's a way to make the ends meet and if they aren't young enough and/or with promises of getting better prospects, they are often stuck there. I don't think in the USA these jobs are regarded as something people do their entire lives or a career of sorts. It's just something you have to do if you aren't born into money just to not end up on the skid row. Been there done that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I came to Chicago for work this week and have seen suggested tips here as high as 25% which I was surprised by given it’s the Midwest which is supposed to be more affordable.

Ridiculous! Just returned from Japan. Burger, fries and drinks at the Tokyo airport cost about $10. No tips. Very friendly service staff. Flight lands in Seattle and just burger and fries costs $21 at the airport! Grumpy service and they want a 20% tip! No fuc*ing way! I gave zero. Need more money? Don't aggressive-beg, ask your boss or quit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I pay in cash when eating out. I don’t trust anyone taking my credit card out of my view. I do 15% pre-tax as a standard tip for expected service — either rounded up or down to the nearest dollar. I’ll go up to 20% if service was exceptional. I’ll go down to nothing if service was bad and the server didn’t care.

Tipping in general has gotten out of hand in the US. It’s shifted from an earned reward to an entitled demand. It’s gone from “tipping the server” to “fleecing the customer.”

Agree on the general sentiments, but at 15% you’re cheating the server. It hasn’t been 15% for many many years.

Similarly, if you order just a kids macaroni and a plate of soup for yourself, then you are cheating the waiter because she could have gotten a table where someone orders steak and dessert and drinks

We woudn't be in this 'quagmire' if the diner paid her a fair wage, would we?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Minimum wage is not enough to compensate a server in a restaurant.

The same argument can be made for every single minimum wage job, including those where tips are not customary. What’s the solution for those jobs?

Solution to this in the US always had been "lifting yourself up by the bootstraps" and seeking better opportunities where these low wage jobs are a means to an end. Many in service jobs have other occupations or dreams or ideas, often stuff that doesn't pay or may pay in the future. They are banking on it while working low wage jobs. Some work them while they are in college or between other jobs. For those from generational poverty or recent immigrants it's a way to make the ends meet and if they aren't young enough and/or with promises of getting better prospects, they are often stuck there. I don't think in the USA these jobs are regarded as something people do their entire lives or a career of sorts. It's just something you have to do if you aren't born into money just to not end up on the skid row. Been there done that.

But now, it seems like many people in these jobs do not see them as a means to an end, they want to no go to back to school, not get training, but jus go from job to job chasing a higher hourly wage, asking society to pay more and more in tips