Woodward HS boundary study - BCC, Blair, Einstein, WJ, Kennedy, Northwood, Wheaton, Whitman impacts

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Similarly shocking is that MCPS, when faced with the cost of provisioning a new HS closer to downtown SS/Takoma Park, elected to turn their efforts towards relief of WJ, instead -- the Woodward solution was less expensive and posed far fewer problems, despite the community complaints (that happens no matter the location/configuration -- can't please 'em all). They had to sell that with the nod to some kind of relief for DCC -- more crowded, in general, than anything to the west of the tracks, with more coming from demographics and the differential effects of the noted development-friendly policies; however, the nature of that might be just from the marginal pull of a Woodward magnet.

Where? Don't just criticize. Suggest some options.

They had options. Not saying they were easy or mitigations were cheap. Some are water under the bridge.

Washington Adventist, Parkside (with the whole original property, including that occupied by the private preschool), redeveloping the old Blair property (redeveloping SSIMS & SCES elsewhere), an urban campus, the old Montgomery Hills JHS (occupied by another private) combined with Woodlin (which would have had to be relocated instead of rebuilt), the terribly underutilized Jessup Blair Park, probably more. Much of the documentation has been wiped from the facilities website. May be available on archive.org's wayback machine.

It's surprising how many people think you can just generally turn park land owned by M-NCPPC into something else you might happen to like better. You can't, except under certain exceptional circumstances like Rock Creek Hills Local Park (now Silver Creek MS), or maybe Parkside. And you especially can't for Jesup Blair Park. I don't know why MCPS puts M-NCPPC park land on the site selection lists in the first place.

To say nothing of somehow building a high school around the Jesup Blair House.

Are you kidding? It may not be what should be done, but it is what almost always happens, especially because the county doesn't proactively purchase land for future need and developers typically jump when they can make more money from temporary relief of set-aside requirements. That leaves little choice but parkland when it comes to back-filling for even moderately developed areas.

Meanwhile, historical sites have been relocated before, and the house could, alternately, be incorporated into a HS campus, continuing to serve a public purpose in line with its original donation. Not saying this is a preferred way to go, but the question had been what the options were.

I don't think MCPS has purchased land in more than 30 years. Haven't looked back farther than that. It's all been dedication by developers.

They definitely have - they bought the Phillips farm property in Germantown, via eminent domain.

What they have NOT done is bought park land from M-NCPPC.

Can't take gov't land via eminent domain. If mcps could...

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Anonymous wrote:Blair has two magnets. Why not move one of them to Northwood when it reopens with more space?

Northwood's expanded capacity is already going to be filled up with kids reassigned from Blair or other DCC schools.

They could move a magnet from Blair to Northwood, instead of reassigning kids from other DCC schools. Why should a super overcrowded school house 2 magnets? And that way, both schools would get the benefit of having a magnet.

The whole point of expanding capacity at Northwood was to add capacity to the DCC.

This would have the same impact on capacity without needing to redraw boundaries.

Moving one magnet program? No, it wouldn't. How big do you think the magnet programs are?

Someone can correct me, but I think the Blair magnets each have 75-100 kids per grade. That would probably fill the extra seats at Northwood. Having a magnet (especially if specialty classes are also offered to non-magnet students) could also make Northwood more appealing in the lottery.

But it would turn Blair into somewhere better Einstein and Kennedy. Not just similar to the current reality but on paper where most people take their satisfaction. Consider the school already has middle of the road rankings even with hundreds of the counties best students bussed in, without them it’s just eastern middle school with a few higher SES TP kids running scared.

I bet parents get real quiet about Overcrowding if that gets legitimately brought up as an opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:So much of this is because of poor planning. Some of that is on MCPS, but most of that is on the county (M-NCPPC/Planning Board/County Council).

The SSTP crowd has been cheering all of this along so I don’t see a problem with them getting stuck with the consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

Wootton is fine and the Blair magnet is not movable.

Everything is movable. If it means it's equitable bus ride for entire county, then it should move.

It's easy to determine.

Average bus ride time per students to Magnet if it's in Blair vs if it's in Woodward. That data should clearly show which is better for average students who have attended magnet in the last 2 years. For this calculation, 25 reserved seats shouldn't be counted because they are not county wide, that will anyway go to wherever magnet is.

Blair mostly serves students near it so it makes the most sense to keep it there.

It would be better to add a vocational magnet to Woodward or Wootton to help diversify that part of the county.

Agree, Blair magnet is situated ideally now, but West county really needs a vocational magnet to help diversify the segregated school.

Woodward should have a vocational magnet? Have you been by the Woodward site lately? The building project is well underway. It has to be ready for Northwood in 14 months. Whatever you might think should happen, it's not going to happen.

+1 and the vocational magnet is currently at Wheaton which is pretty close to Woodward.

It would be best if it were at one of the least diverse schools like Churchill or Whitman because they have so many chronic issues with racism. Greater diversity would greatly help improve the climate in that community.

Yes, vocational magnets at the segregated schools would be one way to help shore up the lack of diversity there.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

Wootton is fine and the Blair magnet is not movable.

Everything is movable. If it means it's equitable bus ride for entire county, then it should move.

It's easy to determine.

Average bus ride time per students to Magnet if it's in Blair vs if it's in Woodward. That data should clearly show which is better for average students who have attended magnet in the last 2 years. For this calculation, 25 reserved seats shouldn't be counted because they are not county wide, that will anyway go to wherever magnet is.

Blair mostly serves students near it so it makes the most sense to keep it there.

It would be better to add a vocational magnet to Woodward or Wootton to help diversify that part of the county.

Agree, Blair magnet is situated ideally now, but West county really needs a vocational magnet to help diversify the segregated school.

Woodward should have a vocational magnet? Have you been by the Woodward site lately? The building project is well underway. It has to be ready for Northwood in 14 months. Whatever you might think should happen, it's not going to happen.

+1 and the vocational magnet is currently at Wheaton which is pretty close to Woodward.

It would be best if it were at one of the least diverse schools like Churchill or Whitman because they have so many chronic issues with racism. Greater diversity would greatly help improve the climate in that community.

Yes, vocational magnets at the segregated schools would be one way to help shore up the lack of diversity there.

"the segregated schools" - cute.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

All red herrings, there. The point was that Silver Spring isn't getting the dough any more than other places. The Potomac example, and others, were thown in for color. Wooton might not be having their problems addressed, either, but significant $ differentials going to less-well-off communities to provide reasonably equivalent educational experiences just isn't happening.

The magnet doesn't need to be at Blair, but what makes more sense than moving it or Poolesville is to create many more. There's a higher number of kids than when the magnets were created, and the seats were too few back then. A Whitman magnet of another sort. -- one that would tend to draw more from overcrowded DCC than other, less crowded schools -- also makes sense. Stopping the gravy train for developers by re-establishing burdens to fund, fully, proper school and other infrastructure makes even more sense.

As for naivete, I'd place that squarely on the one(s) suggesting that politicians (and others with authority) don't end up nodding to wealth more often than to poverty.

"but significant $ differentials going to less-well-off communities to provide reasonably equivalent educational experiences just isn't happening"

This is false. Schools in poor neighborhoods receive millions more per year than schools in welfare neighborhoods. This was per a report from the county council several years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

All red herrings, there. The point was that Silver Spring isn't getting the dough any more than other places. The Potomac example, and others, were thown in for color. Wooton might not be having their problems addressed, either, but significant $ differentials going to less-well-off communities to provide reasonably equivalent educational experiences just isn't happening.

The magnet doesn't need to be at Blair, but what makes more sense than moving it or Poolesville is to create many more. There's a higher number of kids than when the magnets were created, and the seats were too few back then. A Whitman magnet of another sort. -- one that would tend to draw more from overcrowded DCC than other, less crowded schools -- also makes sense. Stopping the gravy train for developers by re-establishing burdens to fund, fully, proper school and other infrastructure makes even more sense.

As for naivete, I'd place that squarely on the one(s) suggesting that politicians (and others with authority) don't end up nodding to wealth more often than to poverty.

"but significant $ differentials going to less-well-off communities to provide reasonably equivalent educational experiences just isn't happening"

This is false. Schools in poor neighborhoods receive millions more per year than schools in welfare neighborhoods. This was per a report from the county council several years ago.

I suspect you phrased that last sentence differently than you intended.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

All red herrings, there. The point was that Silver Spring isn't getting the dough any more than other places. The Potomac example, and others, were thown in for color. Wooton might not be having their problems addressed, either, but significant $ differentials going to less-well-off communities to provide reasonably equivalent educational experiences just isn't happening.

The magnet doesn't need to be at Blair, but what makes more sense than moving it or Poolesville is to create many more. There's a higher number of kids than when the magnets were created, and the seats were too few back then. A Whitman magnet of another sort. -- one that would tend to draw more from overcrowded DCC than other, less crowded schools -- also makes sense. Stopping the gravy train for developers by re-establishing burdens to fund, fully, proper school and other infrastructure makes even more sense.

As for naivete, I'd place that squarely on the one(s) suggesting that politicians (and others with authority) don't end up nodding to wealth more often than to poverty.

"but significant $ differentials going to less-well-off communities to provide reasonably equivalent educational experiences just isn't happening"

This is false. Schools in poor neighborhoods receive millions more per year than schools in welfare neighborhoods. This was per a report from the county council several years ago.

I suspect you phrased that last sentence differently than you intended.

Second to last. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

Wootton is fine and the Blair magnet is not movable.

Everything is movable. If it means it's equitable bus ride for entire county, then it should move.

It's easy to determine.

Average bus ride time per students to Magnet if it's in Blair vs if it's in Woodward. That data should clearly show which is better for average students who have attended magnet in the last 2 years. For this calculation, 25 reserved seats shouldn't be counted because they are not county wide, that will anyway go to wherever magnet is.

Blair mostly serves students near it so it makes the most sense to keep it there.

It would be better to add a vocational magnet to Woodward or Wootton to help diversify that part of the county.

Agree, Blair magnet is situated ideally now, but West county really needs a vocational magnet to help diversify the segregated school.

Woodward should have a vocational magnet? Have you been by the Woodward site lately? The building project is well underway. It has to be ready for Northwood in 14 months. Whatever you might think should happen, it's not going to happen.

+1 and the vocational magnet is currently at Wheaton which is pretty close to Woodward.

It would be best if it were at one of the least diverse schools like Churchill or Whitman because they have so many chronic issues with racism. Greater diversity would greatly help improve the climate in that community.

Yes, vocational magnets at the segregated schools would be one way to help shore up the lack of diversity there.

The boundary analysis showed that schools aren't segregated. People live where they want to live and 90-95% of them prefer sending their kids to a neighborhood school. "Segregated schools" is a progressive scare tactic used to dupe normal Democrats into accepting busing.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

Wootton is fine and the Blair magnet is not movable.

Everything is movable. If it means it's equitable bus ride for entire county, then it should move.

It's easy to determine.

Average bus ride time per students to Magnet if it's in Blair vs if it's in Woodward. That data should clearly show which is better for average students who have attended magnet in the last 2 years. For this calculation, 25 reserved seats shouldn't be counted because they are not county wide, that will anyway go to wherever magnet is.

Blair mostly serves students near it so it makes the most sense to keep it there.

It would be better to add a vocational magnet to Woodward or Wootton to help diversify that part of the county.

Agree, Blair magnet is situated ideally now, but West county really needs a vocational magnet to help diversify the segregated school.

Woodward should have a vocational magnet? Have you been by the Woodward site lately? The building project is well underway. It has to be ready for Northwood in 14 months. Whatever you might think should happen, it's not going to happen.

+1 and the vocational magnet is currently at Wheaton which is pretty close to Woodward.

It would be best if it were at one of the least diverse schools like Churchill or Whitman because they have so many chronic issues with racism. Greater diversity would greatly help improve the climate in that community.

Yes, vocational magnets at the segregated schools would be one way to help shore up the lack of diversity there.

The boundary analysis showed that schools aren't segregated. People live where they want to live and 90-95% of them prefer sending their kids to a neighborhood school. "Segregated schools" is a progressive scare tactic used to dupe normal Democrats into accepting busing.

True. MCPS schools are more diverse than most public schools in this country. Still, progressives are not satisfied.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

Wootton is fine and the Blair magnet is not movable.

Everything is movable. If it means it's equitable bus ride for entire county, then it should move.

It's easy to determine.

Average bus ride time per students to Magnet if it's in Blair vs if it's in Woodward. That data should clearly show which is better for average students who have attended magnet in the last 2 years. For this calculation, 25 reserved seats shouldn't be counted because they are not county wide, that will anyway go to wherever magnet is.

Blair mostly serves students near it so it makes the most sense to keep it there.

It would be better to add a vocational magnet to Woodward or Wootton to help diversify that part of the county.

Agree, Blair magnet is situated ideally now, but West county really needs a vocational magnet to help diversify the segregated school.

Woodward should have a vocational magnet? Have you been by the Woodward site lately? The building project is well underway. It has to be ready for Northwood in 14 months. Whatever you might think should happen, it's not going to happen.

+1 and the vocational magnet is currently at Wheaton which is pretty close to Woodward.

It would be best if it were at one of the least diverse schools like Churchill or Whitman because they have so many chronic issues with racism. Greater diversity would greatly help improve the climate in that community.

Yes, vocational magnets at the segregated schools would be one way to help shore up the lack of diversity there.

The boundary analysis showed that schools aren't segregated. People live where they want to live and 90-95% of them prefer sending their kids to a neighborhood school. "Segregated schools" is a progressive scare tactic used to dupe normal Democrats into accepting busing.

True. MCPS schools are more diverse than most public schools in this country. Still, progressives are not satisfied.

I don’t know a ton about this as I’m fairly new to the county but I don’t think it’s about diversity as in “there are students of color who go here” so much as it is about public education needing to serve all students equally, and the fact that some districts are clearly much richer than others. Some schools have a better reputation than others and the biggest difference is the wealth and racial makeup of the student population. I’m not advocating for complicated busing but I’m guessing some boundaries could be re-examined.

My kids are zoned for East Silver Spring elementary and the ES boundaries here are weird. ESS is fairly intuitive, a neighborhood school, but it is the highest FARMS school in the region, and all the other elementary schools have weird boundaries. We are less than a mile from Sligo Creek which is extremely white and wealthy for the area. And for some reason it hosts and immersion program, making it even wealthier. This does not seem good to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

Wootton is fine and the Blair magnet is not movable.

Everything is movable. If it means it's equitable bus ride for entire county, then it should move.

It's easy to determine.

Average bus ride time per students to Magnet if it's in Blair vs if it's in Woodward. That data should clearly show which is better for average students who have attended magnet in the last 2 years. For this calculation, 25 reserved seats shouldn't be counted because they are not county wide, that will anyway go to wherever magnet is.

Blair mostly serves students near it so it makes the most sense to keep it there.

It would be better to add a vocational magnet to Woodward or Wootton to help diversify that part of the county.

Agree, Blair magnet is situated ideally now, but West county really needs a vocational magnet to help diversify the segregated school.

Woodward should have a vocational magnet? Have you been by the Woodward site lately? The building project is well underway. It has to be ready for Northwood in 14 months. Whatever you might think should happen, it's not going to happen.

+1 and the vocational magnet is currently at Wheaton which is pretty close to Woodward.

It would be best if it were at one of the least diverse schools like Churchill or Whitman because they have so many chronic issues with racism. Greater diversity would greatly help improve the climate in that community.

Yes, vocational magnets at the segregated schools would be one way to help shore up the lack of diversity there.

The boundary analysis showed that schools aren't segregated. People live where they want to live and 90-95% of them prefer sending their kids to a neighborhood school. "Segregated schools" is a progressive scare tactic used to dupe normal Democrats into accepting busing.

True. MCPS schools are more diverse than most public schools in this country. Still, progressives are not satisfied.

I don’t know a ton about this as I’m fairly new to the county but I don’t think it’s about diversity as in “there are students of color who go here” so much as it is about public education needing to serve all students equally, and the fact that some districts are clearly much richer than others. Some schools have a better reputation than others and the biggest difference is the wealth and racial makeup of the student population. I’m not advocating for complicated busing but I’m guessing some boundaries could be re-examined.

My kids are zoned for East Silver Spring elementary and the ES boundaries here are weird. ESS is fairly intuitive, a neighborhood school, but it is the highest FARMS school in the region, and all the other elementary schools have weird boundaries. We are less than a mile from Sligo Creek which is extremely white and wealthy for the area. And for some reason it hosts and immersion program, making it even wealthier. This does not seem good to me.

Yes, there are many issues with the ES boundaries. However, the Woodward study will not be redrawing any ES boundary lines.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

Wootton is fine and the Blair magnet is not movable.

Everything is movable. If it means it's equitable bus ride for entire county, then it should move.

It's easy to determine.

Average bus ride time per students to Magnet if it's in Blair vs if it's in Woodward. That data should clearly show which is better for average students who have attended magnet in the last 2 years. For this calculation, 25 reserved seats shouldn't be counted because they are not county wide, that will anyway go to wherever magnet is.

Blair mostly serves students near it so it makes the most sense to keep it there.

It would be better to add a vocational magnet to Woodward or Wootton to help diversify that part of the county.

Agree, Blair magnet is situated ideally now, but West county really needs a vocational magnet to help diversify the segregated school.

Woodward should have a vocational magnet? Have you been by the Woodward site lately? The building project is well underway. It has to be ready for Northwood in 14 months. Whatever you might think should happen, it's not going to happen.

+1 and the vocational magnet is currently at Wheaton which is pretty close to Woodward.

It would be best if it were at one of the least diverse schools like Churchill or Whitman because they have so many chronic issues with racism. Greater diversity would greatly help improve the climate in that community.

Yes, vocational magnets at the segregated schools would be one way to help shore up the lack of diversity there.

The boundary analysis showed that schools aren't segregated. People live where they want to live and 90-95% of them prefer sending their kids to a neighborhood school. "Segregated schools" is a progressive scare tactic used to dupe normal Democrats into accepting busing.

True. MCPS schools are more diverse than most public schools in this country. Still, progressives are not satisfied.

I don’t know a ton about this as I’m fairly new to the county but I don’t think it’s about diversity as in “there are students of color who go here” so much as it is about public education needing to serve all students equally, and the fact that some districts are clearly much richer than others. Some schools have a better reputation than others and the biggest difference is the wealth and racial makeup of the student population. I’m not advocating for complicated busing but I’m guessing some boundaries could be re-examined.

My kids are zoned for East Silver Spring elementary and the ES boundaries here are weird. ESS is fairly intuitive, a neighborhood school, but it is the highest FARMS school in the region, and all the other elementary schools have weird boundaries. We are less than a mile from Sligo Creek which is extremely white and wealthy for the area. And for some reason it hosts and immersion program, making it even wealthier. This does not seem good to me.

Yes, there are many issues with the ES boundaries. However, the Woodward study will not be redrawing any ES boundary lines.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

Wootton is fine and the Blair magnet is not movable.

Everything is movable. If it means it's equitable bus ride for entire county, then it should move.

It's easy to determine.

Average bus ride time per students to Magnet if it's in Blair vs if it's in Woodward. That data should clearly show which is better for average students who have attended magnet in the last 2 years. For this calculation, 25 reserved seats shouldn't be counted because they are not county wide, that will anyway go to wherever magnet is.

Blair mostly serves students near it so it makes the most sense to keep it there.

It would be better to add a vocational magnet to Woodward or Wootton to help diversify that part of the county.

Agree, Blair magnet is situated ideally now, but West county really needs a vocational magnet to help diversify the segregated school.

Woodward should have a vocational magnet? Have you been by the Woodward site lately? The building project is well underway. It has to be ready for Northwood in 14 months. Whatever you might think should happen, it's not going to happen.

+1 and the vocational magnet is currently at Wheaton which is pretty close to Woodward.

It would be best if it were at one of the least diverse schools like Churchill or Whitman because they have so many chronic issues with racism. Greater diversity would greatly help improve the climate in that community.

Yes, vocational magnets at the segregated schools would be one way to help shore up the lack of diversity there.

The boundary analysis showed that schools aren't segregated. People live where they want to live and 90-95% of them prefer sending their kids to a neighborhood school. "Segregated schools" is a progressive scare tactic used to dupe normal Democrats into accepting busing.

True. MCPS schools are more diverse than most public schools in this country. Still, progressives are not satisfied.

I don’t know a ton about this as I’m fairly new to the county but I don’t think it’s about diversity as in “there are students of color who go here” so much as it is about public education needing to serve all students equally, and the fact that some districts are clearly much richer than others. Some schools have a better reputation than others and the biggest difference is the wealth and racial makeup of the student population. I’m not advocating for complicated busing but I’m guessing some boundaries could be re-examined.

My kids are zoned for East Silver Spring elementary and the ES boundaries here are weird. ESS is fairly intuitive, a neighborhood school, but it is the highest FARMS school in the region, and all the other elementary schools have weird boundaries. We are less than a mile from Sligo Creek which is extremely white and wealthy for the area. And for some reason it hosts and immersion program, making it even wealthier. This does not seem good to me.

Yes, there are many issues with the ES boundaries. However, the Woodward study will not be redrawing any ES boundary lines.*

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Anonymous wrote:Strange take about the system catering to Silver Spring. If that were the case, you'd see resources going there instead of, say, to the brand new elementary in Potomac and the upcoming brand new high school in Bethesda, the subject of this thread.

Instead, we see no high school options pursued inside the beltway where one is desperately needed, SSIMS/SCES treated like a redheaded stepchild, HVES given the three-card Monty and Eastern downright ignored. TPMS, Pinecrest and Woodlin, you say? Well, shucks, it helps to have some wealthy folks in certain catchments...

Hey, waaaaaiit a minute...could it be that politicians pay lip service to the bulk of the electorate to garner the popular vote but bend to monied interests when it comes to brass tacks? Nah, couldn't be!

Then you don't have a problem moving the Blair magnet closer to mid-county where all students can access them? Same distance from every corner of MC?

And schools like Wootton crumbing? Schools with asbestos? You don't care about them?

Please. Save it for someone who's a bit more naive.

Wootton is fine and the Blair magnet is not movable.

Everything is movable. If it means it's equitable bus ride for entire county, then it should move.

It's easy to determine.

Average bus ride time per students to Magnet if it's in Blair vs if it's in Woodward. That data should clearly show which is better for average students who have attended magnet in the last 2 years. For this calculation, 25 reserved seats shouldn't be counted because they are not county wide, that will anyway go to wherever magnet is.

Blair mostly serves students near it so it makes the most sense to keep it there.

It would be better to add a vocational magnet to Woodward or Wootton to help diversify that part of the county.

Agree, Blair magnet is situated ideally now, but West county really needs a vocational magnet to help diversify the segregated school.

Woodward should have a vocational magnet? Have you been by the Woodward site lately? The building project is well underway. It has to be ready for Northwood in 14 months. Whatever you might think should happen, it's not going to happen.

+1 and the vocational magnet is currently at Wheaton which is pretty close to Woodward.

It would be best if it were at one of the least diverse schools like Churchill or Whitman because they have so many chronic issues with racism. Greater diversity would greatly help improve the climate in that community.

Yes, vocational magnets at the segregated schools would be one way to help shore up the lack of diversity there.

The boundary analysis showed that schools aren't segregated. People live where they want to live and 90-95% of them prefer sending their kids to a neighborhood school. "Segregated schools" is a progressive scare tactic used to dupe normal Democrats into accepting busing.

True. MCPS schools are more diverse than most public schools in this country. Still, progressives are not satisfied.

I don’t know a ton about this as I’m fairly new to the county but I don’t think it’s about diversity as in “there are students of color who go here” so much as it is about public education needing to serve all students equally, and the fact that some districts are clearly much richer than others. Some schools have a better reputation than others and the biggest difference is the wealth and racial makeup of the student population. I’m not advocating for complicated busing but I’m guessing some boundaries could be re-examined.

My kids are zoned for East Silver Spring elementary and the ES boundaries here are weird. ESS is fairly intuitive, a neighborhood school, but it is the highest FARMS school in the region, and all the other elementary schools have weird boundaries. We are less than a mile from Sligo Creek which is extremely white and wealthy for the area. And for some reason it hosts and immersion program, making it even wealthier. This does not seem good to me.

Highland View is only slightly lower FARMS than ESS. ESS is also very close to Rolling Terrace which has a significantly higher FARMS rate than ESS. I agree that they could probably balance out FARMS a little by looking at ES boundaries but I also think it is probably more complicated than it may seem at first glance. A lot of times the FARMS population is all concentrated in certain apartment buildings that are all very close to one another and also undeniably closer to their zoned elementary than to other elementaries. So sure you can split them up I guess and make weirder boundaries, but you're placing the burden on the lowest income families to travel further to the ES. As far as moving the magnet program there are obviously going to be space constraints with that.