Succession - Season 4

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Anonymous wrote:The letter was brilliant--a device to keep the power of Logan alive and well and now everyone's kissing the letter's ass. Greg's buffoon response to it was a perfect caricature to show how everyone else does the same. Karl, Frank, and Gerri stole this show throughout but really came in their own here. Brilliant. “Oh, you're sick with grief? You might want to put down that fish taco, you're getting your melancholy everywhere.”

Their characters really shone in this episode, so sharp and funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why did Shiv need an amino? I don’t think she miscarried but that fall feels out of place otherwise.

To gauge whether or not she should get an abortion. She may have conflicting views on it, and if the child had birth defects, may have been an easy decision for her.

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I get those 2 old guys confused.

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Anonymous wrote:I get those 2 old guys confused.

Frank’s the nicer one who is close to Kendall (he’s ken’s godfather). Looks like a kindly uncle/grandpa. Very bald on top.

Karl is a vicious and openly sarcastic turd and all the kids hate him. Has more apparent hair but likely some kind of comb over situation.

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Anonymous wrote:I get those 2 old guys confused.

Frank’s the nicer one who is close to Kendall (he’s ken’s godfather). Looks like a kindly uncle/grandpa. Very bald on top.

Karl is a vicious and openly sarcastic turd and all the kids hate him. Has more apparent hair but likely some kind of comb over situation.

Karl, to me, is if Mattel had released a Dad doll for Ken.

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Anonymous wrote:I get those 2 old guys confused.

Frank’s the nicer one who is close to Kendall (he’s ken’s godfather). Looks like a kindly uncle/grandpa. Very bald on top.

Karl is a vicious and openly sarcastic turd and all the kids hate him. Has more apparent hair but likely some kind of comb over situation.

Karl, to me, is if Mattel had released a Dad doll for Ken.

Thank you. Yes! Lol!

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Anonymous wrote:Why did Shiv need an amino? I don’t think she miscarried but that fall feels out of place otherwise.

Because she is old.

More likely because she's rich.

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1000 this was a point the Nan storyline brilliantly underscored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The letter was brilliant--a device to keep the power of Logan alive and well and now everyone's kissing the letter's ass. Greg's buffoon response to it was a perfect caricature to show how everyone else does the same. Karl, Frank, and Gerri stole this show throughout but really came in their own here. Brilliant. “Oh, you're sick with grief? You might want to put down that fish taco, you're getting your melancholy everywhere.”

That was no fish taco. I doubt they'd have such "ethnic" food in the Roy household.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did Shiv need an amino? I don’t think she miscarried but that fall feels out of place otherwise.

To gauge whether or not she should get an abortion. She may have conflicting views on it, and if the child had birth defects, may have been an easy decision for her.

I think they wrote in the amnio because Hollywood constantly gets pregnancy and L&D wrong. See: every birth scene in a TV show or movie. Bringing up the amnio was a recognizable way for the audience (many who probably wouldn't recognize basic pregnancy terms) to pick up that she's pregnant. She's also very pregnant, the next sonogram is at 20 weeks, so she's at least 15 weeks along. The question is: who was she sleeping with 15 weeks ago?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh snap! PPs bet wrong- both Kerri and Marcia back!

That was brutal, not that I minded. But for a twist of fate, the $63 million apartment could have been Kerri's in a matter of months. I would also Marcia would have an ironclad prenup in place, will be interesting to see how that pans out.

They showed her negotiating her post-nup after Logan's affair with the Holly Hunter character. We know it was very generous to Marcia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

[Anonymous]

What was with Shiv falling on the stairs? Miscarriage? Or a complication that requires Tom to be in on it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh snap! PPs bet wrong- both Kerri and Marcia back!

That was brutal, not that I minded. But for a twist of fate, the $63 million apartment could have been Kerri's in a matter of months. I would also Marcia would have an ironclad prenup in place, will be interesting to see how that pans out.

They showed her negotiating her post-nup after Logan's affair with the Holly Hunter character. We know it was very generous to Marcia.

Do you think she was honest when she said that her and Logan talked every day?