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Anonymous wrote:I call this BS. If he cooks, clean, and does his laundry, he is basically a simp.

I’m 42 and I’ve been married 15 years and together for 20.

I guess I’ve reached the age of fatherly wisdom so here goes…

Son, if you think a man who cooks, cleans, and does his own laundry is a “simp” you have no business being a part of society. Where did your parents fail you? If you can’t be self sufficient you have nothing and you are nothing. I was raised by men who could basically do any task they needed to from sewing on a button to field dressing a deer. Clean up your act. You’re a f’ing joke.

Basically you're a "simp".

My father is Chinese, and my mother is Vietnamese, and they have been married for over 50 years. My father never had to cook, clean, or do his own laundry because my mother did everything around the house. My mother taught me how to cook, clean, and do my own laundry so that I know how to do it, but that does not mean I have to do it. I know how to change car tires, oil change, and fix cars, but that does not mean I have to do them. My mother taught me that I should learn the necessary skills (i.e. sports, music, working out), and make a lot of money if I wanted to attract women. My mother also told me that when I get married, my wife should do the cooking, cleaning, and laundry because I am making a lot more $$$ than she does. If she doesn't like it, do not let the door hit her on the way out. A woman will put up with a lot of things with a guy if that guy is way out of her league. That was advices from my mother to me when I was 22 years old. I am now married with a wife and two kids, and I neither cook, clean, nor do laundry because my wife does that.

Any guys that cook, clean, and do laundry are simply simp.

Your mother was raised in a misogynistic culture, old world, and probably grew up post the war, which means she was poor or a refugee. She didn't have that many choices.

My mother also grew up in a poor Asian country, decimated by war, and she too had some misogynistic notions. They can't help it. That's the way they grew up.

I fought that culture tooth and nail. And I'm happy that my DD has more choices, and my DS will have his pick of women because not only is he good looking and very fit, but he earns good money, knows how to cook and keeps his place clean. He's a catch. My DH was like this, and he had no shortage of women.

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Anonymous wrote:I think our society is slowly realizing that serial dating (and sleeping around) to the edge of the fertility window is not working and it was better when started pairing off in the early to mid 20s and having babies in their late 20s.

Uh no not really. What alternate reality are you living in

+1 haha. Look at the fertility and marriage rate over the years. People are waiting longer to get married and have kids, if at all.

That's some Project 2025 Gilead wishful thinking there.

I didn’t say behavior was currently changing drastically. I said people are slowly realizing it’s a bad idea and it’s part of the reason the dating scene is such a mess right now.

People like me are outproducing and outperforming people like you so things will shift eventually, it really is just a matter of timing. If hearts and minds change, changes will be quick. If they don’t, we will get there eventually through trial and error and process of elimination.

? well, I'm 54 with two kids. So, sure, you will outperform me in having kids because I'm done. Thank god. I would not want more than two kids. I come from a family of 4 siblings. No way in h3ll would I have ever done that nor advocate for my DD to do that.

People who had a lot of kids back in the day did so because they were too poor to get birth control, like my parents, or due to religion (another form of being somewhat uneducated). Educated women don't want to just be baby making machines.

Perhaps if there was a paradigm shift in our culture where men were expected to be equal partners, women would be more willing to have more children at an earlier age. Alas, until that happens, the trend of not having kids or having a few later in life will continue.

That’s great but recognize you are increasingly part of a dwindling subculture, like a more moderate version of the Shakers.

There are plenty of people still having 3+ kids and most importantly, they and their kids think nothing like you.

I agree it can be difficult for women to have a kid of children if they are only capable of attracting a low quality mate. But women who attract high quality mates don’t have problems to the your family did.

(There are multiple posters on this thread and I enjoy cooking and actually enjoy cleaning too. Laundry is not my thing though and I do other things instead.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I call this BS. If he cooks, clean, and does his laundry, he is basically a simp.

I’m 42 and I’ve been married 15 years and together for 20.

I guess I’ve reached the age of fatherly wisdom so here goes…

Son, if you think a man who cooks, cleans, and does his own laundry is a “simp” you have no business being a part of society. Where did your parents fail you? If you can’t be self sufficient you have nothing and you are nothing. I was raised by men who could basically do any task they needed to from sewing on a button to field dressing a deer. Clean up your act. You’re a f’ing joke.

Basically you're a "simp".

My father is Chinese, and my mother is Vietnamese, and they have been married for over 50 years. My father never had to cook, clean, or do his own laundry because my mother did everything around the house. My mother taught me how to cook, clean, and do my own laundry so that I know how to do it, but that does not mean I have to do it. I know how to change car tires, oil change, and fix cars, but that does not mean I have to do them. My mother taught me that I should learn the necessary skills (i.e. sports, music, working out), and make a lot of money if I wanted to attract women. My mother also told me that when I get married, my wife should do the cooking, cleaning, and laundry because I am making a lot more $$$ than she does. If she doesn't like it, do not let the door hit her on the way out. A woman will put up with a lot of things with a guy if that guy is way out of her league. That was advices from my mother to me when I was 22 years old. I am now married with a wife and two kids, and I neither cook, clean, nor do laundry because my wife does that.

Any guys that cook, clean, and do laundry are simply simp.

your mother like my parents are mired in old stereotypes and misogyny.

FWIW, I'm the PP with a son who cooks, cleans, he's a great catch for any girl. He's had two gf already by 20. I'm Korean American.

My parents said that no Korean man would probably want to marry me because I'm way too independent and head strong. And that was fine with me because I would not want to marry a man who's ego is so fragile that he could not handle a strong woman. So, win win.

My DH is from Europe, and he did most of the cooking when we got together. It was awesome. And yes, we made about the same. My korean sister was super jealous of the fact that my DH cooked; her Korean DH did not. My mother once told me not to tell my sister that I was watching tv while my DH cooked because she would get jealous. LOL I do cook, now.

My parents love my DH, sometimes I think more than me. They think he's great that he changed diapers, cooked, and made good money.

Your marriage is transactional, and that is sad. My mother and sister has this kind of marriage, and they were miserable. They only put up with a man like this because of money. That's sad.

Well, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree for a reason. In other words, a simp husband produces a simp kid, nothing new here.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never been overly attractive but before getting married I had very little trouble going on dates and meeting girls.

Maybe the real problem is that the kids all sit at home, never working from the office, popping gummies and scrolling on Instagram with a smug sense of superiority that they don’t poison themselves at happy hour and resisting ever sitting in an office?

My entire circle of friends 20 years ago were high school and college friends and friends of friends of friends and friends of friends of friends.

Have people ever considered not being social recluses and taking the lazy way out by swiping left and right? People must still have real live friends in person, right?

Sure, maybe I shouldn’t have had a few month long benders. But I sure didn’t lack for friends. Certainly never felt like I needed to go to Colombia for female attention.

Good point about getting off your ass but the reality is that it's very difficult to meet people in the US compared to other countries like Colombia. Most guys can get women here but why bother when you can do 10x better somewhere else? You should give it a shot. I've never met a guy who spent any time down there who prefers American women, but to each their own.

They go to Colombia and other 3rd world countries because they can't get women here. There are plenty of conservative women who also won't give you the time of day.

So what's your excuse for why they also shun you?

It's actually a lot easier to bang American women. Second or third date is pretty standard. Have you even been to any of these countries you old goat?

[Anonymous]

Cooking, cleaning, and laundry just isn't all that hard. The dudes caterwauling like their dicks will fall off if they have to put forth that level of effort are pretty weak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:? well, I'm 54 with two kids. So, sure, you will outperform me in having kids because I'm done. Thank god. I would not want more than two kids. I come from a family of 4 siblings. No way in h3ll would I have ever done that nor advocate for my DD to do that.

People who had a lot of kids back in the day did so because they were too poor to get birth control, like my parents, or due to religion (another form of being somewhat uneducated). Educated women don't want to just be baby making machines.

Perhaps if there was a paradigm shift in our culture where men were expected to be equal partners, women would be more willing to have more children at an earlier age. Alas, until that happens, the trend of not having kids or having a few later in life will continue.

Tell that to Supreme Court Amy Coney Barrett, and how many children she gave birth to? Last time I check, she is highly educated.

[Anonymous]

Any guys that cook, clean, and do laundry are simply simp.

This poster is a riot! The only way he is going to find a woman who will cook and clean like dear old mom did is if he can import one from the old country.

She will stay with him until one of the following happens: 1) She sees a real man and wants to know what it is like to be with one, 2) She learns enough English to understand that she can leave his house without being arrested, or 3) He refuses to bring her family over to live with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I call this BS. If he cooks, clean, and does his laundry, he is basically a simp.

I’m 42 and I’ve been married 15 years and together for 20.

I guess I’ve reached the age of fatherly wisdom so here goes…

Son, if you think a man who cooks, cleans, and does his own laundry is a “simp” you have no business being a part of society. Where did your parents fail you? If you can’t be self sufficient you have nothing and you are nothing. I was raised by men who could basically do any task they needed to from sewing on a button to field dressing a deer. Clean up your act. You’re a f’ing joke.

Basically you're a "simp".

My father is Chinese, and my mother is Vietnamese, and they have been married for over 50 years. My father never had to cook, clean, or do his own laundry because my mother did everything around the house. My mother taught me how to cook, clean, and do my own laundry so that I know how to do it, but that does not mean I have to do it. I know how to change car tires, oil change, and fix cars, but that does not mean I have to do them. My mother taught me that I should learn the necessary skills (i.e. sports, music, working out), and make a lot of money if I wanted to attract women. My mother also told me that when I get married, my wife should do the cooking, cleaning, and laundry because I am making a lot more $$$ than she does. If she doesn't like it, do not let the door hit her on the way out. A woman will put up with a lot of things with a guy if that guy is way out of her league. That was advices from my mother to me when I was 22 years old. I am now married with a wife and two kids, and I neither cook, clean, nor do laundry because my wife does that.

Any guys that cook, clean, and do laundry are simply simp.

your mother like my parents are mired in old stereotypes and misogyny.

FWIW, I'm the PP with a son who cooks, cleans, he's a great catch for any girl. He's had two gf already by 20. I'm Korean American.

My parents said that no Korean man would probably want to marry me because I'm way too independent and head strong. And that was fine with me because I would not want to marry a man who's ego is so fragile that he could not handle a strong woman. So, win win.

My DH is from Europe, and he did most of the cooking when we got together. It was awesome. And yes, we made about the same. My korean sister was super jealous of the fact that my DH cooked; her Korean DH did not. My mother once told me not to tell my sister that I was watching tv while my DH cooked because she would get jealous. LOL I do cook, now.

My parents love my DH, sometimes I think more than me. They think he's great that he changed diapers, cooked, and made good money.

Your marriage is transactional, and that is sad. My mother and sister has this kind of marriage, and they were miserable. They only put up with a man like this because of money. That's sad.

Well, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree for a reason. In other words, a simp husband produces a simp kid, nothing new here.

well, the "simp" DH had plenty of women to choose from, unlike incels.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:? well, I'm 54 with two kids. So, sure, you will outperform me in having kids because I'm done. Thank god. I would not want more than two kids. I come from a family of 4 siblings. No way in h3ll would I have ever done that nor advocate for my DD to do that.

People who had a lot of kids back in the day did so because they were too poor to get birth control, like my parents, or due to religion (another form of being somewhat uneducated). Educated women don't want to just be baby making machines.

Perhaps if there was a paradigm shift in our culture where men were expected to be equal partners, women would be more willing to have more children at an earlier age. Alas, until that happens, the trend of not having kids or having a few later in life will continue.

Tell that to Supreme Court Amy Coney Barrett, and how many children she gave birth to? Last time I check, she is highly educated.

She's also very religious... "due to religion "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cooking, cleaning, and laundry just isn't all that hard. The dudes caterwauling like their dicks will fall off if they have to put forth that level of effort are pretty weak.

I think it's that they have self inflated egos, and think "that's women's work". Very unattractive quality. Only desperate women go for these types.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve never been overly attractive but before getting married I had very little trouble going on dates and meeting girls.

Maybe the real problem is that the kids all sit at home, never working from the office, popping gummies and scrolling on Instagram with a smug sense of superiority that they don’t poison themselves at happy hour and resisting ever sitting in an office?

My entire circle of friends 20 years ago were high school and college friends and friends of friends of friends and friends of friends of friends.

Have people ever considered not being social recluses and taking the lazy way out by swiping left and right? People must still have real live friends in person, right?

Sure, maybe I shouldn’t have had a few month long benders. But I sure didn’t lack for friends. Certainly never felt like I needed to go to Colombia for female attention.

Good point about getting off your ass but the reality is that it's very difficult to meet people in the US compared to other countries like Colombia. Most guys can get women here but why bother when you can do 10x better somewhere else? You should give it a shot. I've never met a guy who spent any time down there who prefers American women, but to each their own.

They go to Colombia and other 3rd world countries because they can't get women here. There are plenty of conservative women who also won't give you the time of day.

So what's your excuse for why they also shun you?

It's actually a lot easier to bang American women. Second or third date is pretty standard. Have you even been to any of these countries you old goat?

So…now it’s easy to bang American women when before it’s I have to hire 3rd world prostitutes because I can’t bang any American women.

Love how the story changes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cooking, cleaning, and laundry just isn't all that hard. The dudes caterwauling like their dicks will fall off if they have to put forth that level of effort are pretty weak.

I think it's that they have self inflated egos, and think "that's women's work". Very unattractive quality. Only desperate women go for these types.

I don't know. I work in tech, and am married to a wife who graduated from Harvard. I neither cook nor clean because my wife takes care of those things. I do, however, bring home 2M/yr in salary + bonus. All of my colleagues do the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cooking, cleaning, and laundry just isn't all that hard. The dudes caterwauling like their dicks will fall off if they have to put forth that level of effort are pretty weak.

I think it's that they have self inflated egos, and think "that's women's work". Very unattractive quality. Only desperate women go for these types.

I don't know. I work in tech, and am married to a wife who graduated from Harvard. I neither cook nor clean because my wife takes care of those things. I do, however, bring home 2M/yr in salary + bonus. All of my colleagues do the same.

Safe to say that anyone of means outsources domestic work. We also hire Nannies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think our society is slowly realizing that serial dating (and sleeping around) to the edge of the fertility window is not working and it was better when started pairing off in the early to mid 20s and having babies in their late 20s.

Bingo.

Whore culture hopefully is on the way out.

I have had younger men tell me the women are out banging 100s because there are so many more on the dating apps and men will bang anything. This gives the women a false idea of their “actual worth” in the marriage potential market. A girl to pump and dump is different than one you marry and the good guys don’t pump and dump and certainly don’t want to date much less marry a Ho.

If a man has sex with 100s of women, he's a god. If a women does it, she's a whore.

Who said we don't still live in a misogynistic world.

FWIW, I'm 54 DW and have only had sex with one man, my DH.

Nah we live in a world where women have decided to take on masculine traits and then can't figure why men aren't attracted to them

So are they whores for banging so many guys, or are they unattractive to men? Make up your mind

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cooking, cleaning, and laundry just isn't all that hard. The dudes caterwauling like their dicks will fall off if they have to put forth that level of effort are pretty weak.

I think it's that they have self inflated egos, and think "that's women's work". Very unattractive quality. Only desperate women go for these types.

I don't know. I work in tech, and am married to a wife who graduated from Harvard. I neither cook nor clean because my wife takes care of those things. I do, however, bring home 2M/yr in salary + bonus. All of my colleagues do the same.

Safe to say that anyone of means outsources domestic work. We also hire Nannies.

Sure, for some. Others enjoy raising their kids and prefer being self sufficient.