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Anonymous wrote:Did people read the NYT article yesterday? I understand there were many things that went wrong that night, including understaffing in the tower, but why the hell was a pilot with inferior flying skills in the area that night? I was struck by the description of her lack of talent as a pilot. I’m sorry if that is hurtful to her family.

Can someone paste the relevant part, or post a link to the article?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/01/us/politics/dc-plane-helicopter-crash.html

....That same week, Mr. Eaves, assigned to give her the annual flight exam, told his girlfriend that he feared Captain Lobach was unprepared for the flight, according to an N.T.S.B. interview document.

Completely unrelated to the point of this article but I noticed they reference his girlfriend...but his obituaries mentioned his widow and children. So, is this just an error and they interviewed his wife? Or like...what cause the alternative is this is how his wife finds out he had an affair.

Really, man/woman? This is what you are wondering ?

Yes, that is my only concern in all of this. (I'll note that was sarcasm for you.)

I immediately said "Completely not the point of this article," implying I understand the point of the article. I am simply confused how this man's gf was interviewed by NTSB when he was married. Did the NTSB identify her as his gf incorrectly? I would hope that they are being very detail oriented in the investigation, so that wouldn't be great.

Are you suggesting that the report is a fabrication?

This is clearly going over your head, so let me be very, very explicit for you:

Misidentifying someone as a "girlfriend" when they were a wife is a mistake that may not seem like much, but to me, it indicates that the NTSB is not paying much attention to details. They interviewed this woman themselves, according to the report, so it's not like they're relying on information from a third party who got it wrong. It is concerning that in the investigation of a passenger jet crash they would get something so blatantly wrong.

It is not a misidentification. There was a wife and a (separate) girlfriend. It is in the next-of-kin interview transcripts in the NTSB docket.

There is also a suggestion that the female pilot might have had undiagnosed ADHD. Again, it is in the next-of-kin interviews.

Just read it. The wife says they were reconciling (they were separated because he'd had an affair in the past) and lived together part time, but the girlfriend says they had been together for two years and were moving to Alabama together after his assignment at Ft. Belvoir was up. Sounds like the wife was unaware of that.

Look, I know this is not the point but my god I feel bad for the wife.

So, Eaves was a scumbag and wife suffers, and both girlfriend( is this even the right term here) and wife got played?

Evidently. The wife said they were “reconciling” and had just bought a home together and the girlfriend said he was separated. I feel bad so bad for the wife. She thought things were getting better and the whole time was getting played.

Or the girlfriend was being played. Eaves didn't need to decide anything for two years (when his tdy in Fort Belvoir was done) and the girlfriend was in California.

I mean, I think the wife was being played too if she just bought a house with him and meanwhile he was promising some skank in California they could run off to Alabama together.

In two years. Plenty of time to worry about that problem later.

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Yeah, pretty interesting that no one is discussing that this guy had something stressful going on in his personal life (covering up affair #2) and immediately left to "It must be the student pilot."

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, pretty interesting that no one is discussing that this guy had something stressful going on in his personal life (covering up affair #2) and immediately left to "It must be the student pilot."

Based on the timeline it was still the same affair partner. Wife told investigators she caught him cheating in Spring '23; girlfriend told investigators they'd been together for two years. So, that lines up. I suspect he told the wife it was over with the girlfriend but it wasn't really over.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read an article that said it was the fault of the air traffic control man who was doing two jobs and did not confirm things with the helicopter pilot. Why isn't anyone talking about that? Is it because he is a white male? He admitted it.

Good for you, now read the nTSB report recently released in full. To get real facts and the whole picture. This was a nightmare unskilled pilot and error-riddled ride.

It’s really mystifying why after so many mistakes he left her in control in probably the most dangerous air space in the country. I don’t know if the rank thing makes a difference…is it more awkward to do that to someone that outranks you? There were lots of things that went wrong that day but his failure to take controls for the DCA cross over seems like one of them.
But no one should have ever allowed such an insanely dangerous aviation intersection.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read an article that said it was the fault of the air traffic control man who was doing two jobs and did not confirm things with the helicopter pilot. Why isn't anyone talking about that? Is it because he is a white male? He admitted it.

Good for you, now read the nTSB report recently released in full. To get real facts and the whole picture. This was a nightmare unskilled pilot and error-riddled ride.

It’s really mystifying why after so many mistakes he left her in control in probably the most dangerous air space in the country. I don’t know if the rank thing makes a difference…is it more awkward to do that to someone that outranks you? There were lots of things that went wrong that day but his failure to take controls for the DCA cross over seems like one of them.
But no one should have ever allowed such an insanely dangerous aviation intersection.

Have you ever told a woman, "No."?

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Anonymous wrote:I just read an article that said it was the fault of the air traffic control man who was doing two jobs and did not confirm things with the helicopter pilot. Why isn't anyone talking about that? Is it because he is a white male? He admitted it.

Good for you, now read the nTSB report recently released in full. To get real facts and the whole picture. This was a nightmare unskilled pilot and error-riddled ride.

It’s really mystifying why after so many mistakes he left her in control in probably the most dangerous air space in the country. I don’t know if the rank thing makes a difference…is it more awkward to do that to someone that outranks you? There were lots of things that went wrong that day but his failure to take controls for the DCA cross over seems like one of them.
But no one should have ever allowed such an insanely dangerous aviation intersection.

This. There are so many people I blame before Andrew Eaves and Rebecca Lobach. Namely, the powers that be that increased flight traffic for such a small airport and then allowed army training exercises to occur nearby (so Congress. I'm blaming Congress before I blame Eaves and Lobach).

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Anonymous wrote:I just read an article that said it was the fault of the air traffic control man who was doing two jobs and did not confirm things with the helicopter pilot. Why isn't anyone talking about that? Is it because he is a white male? He admitted it.

Good for you, now read the nTSB report recently released in full. To get real facts and the whole picture. This was a nightmare unskilled pilot and error-riddled ride.

It’s really mystifying why after so many mistakes he left her in control in probably the most dangerous air space in the country. I don’t know if the rank thing makes a difference…is it more awkward to do that to someone that outranks you? There were lots of things that went wrong that day but his failure to take controls for the DCA cross over seems like one of them.
But no one should have ever allowed such an insanely dangerous aviation intersection.

Have you ever told a woman, "No."?

No, it's kind of hard to talk when you're texting your sidechick.

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Anonymous wrote:Did people read the NYT article yesterday? I understand there were many things that went wrong that night, including understaffing in the tower, but why the hell was a pilot with inferior flying skills in the area that night? I was struck by the description of her lack of talent as a pilot. I’m sorry if that is hurtful to her family.

Can someone paste the relevant part, or post a link to the article?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/01/us/politics/dc-plane-helicopter-crash.html

....That same week, Mr. Eaves, assigned to give her the annual flight exam, told his girlfriend that he feared Captain Lobach was unprepared for the flight, according to an N.T.S.B. interview document.

Completely unrelated to the point of this article but I noticed they reference his girlfriend...but his obituaries mentioned his widow and children. So, is this just an error and they interviewed his wife? Or like...what cause the alternative is this is how his wife finds out he had an affair.

Really, man/woman? This is what you are wondering ?

Yes, that is my only concern in all of this. (I'll note that was sarcasm for you.)

I immediately said "Completely not the point of this article," implying I understand the point of the article. I am simply confused how this man's gf was interviewed by NTSB when he was married. Did the NTSB identify her as his gf incorrectly? I would hope that they are being very detail oriented in the investigation, so that wouldn't be great.

Are you suggesting that the report is a fabrication?

This is clearly going over your head, so let me be very, very explicit for you:

Misidentifying someone as a "girlfriend" when they were a wife is a mistake that may not seem like much, but to me, it indicates that the NTSB is not paying much attention to details. They interviewed this woman themselves, according to the report, so it's not like they're relying on information from a third party who got it wrong. It is concerning that in the investigation of a passenger jet crash they would get something so blatantly wrong.

It is not a misidentification. There was a wife and a (separate) girlfriend. It is in the next-of-kin interview transcripts in the NTSB docket.

There is also a suggestion that the female pilot might have had undiagnosed ADHD. Again, it is in the next-of-kin interviews.

Just read it. The wife says they were reconciling (they were separated because he'd had an affair in the past) and lived together part time, but the girlfriend says they had been together for two years and were moving to Alabama together after his assignment at Ft. Belvoir was up. Sounds like the wife was unaware of that.

Look, I know this is not the point but my god I feel bad for the wife.

So, I can trust the NTSB today?

Sigh.
What do you think? Could this be a wake up call to change aviation??

I think their work is sloppy. I have no idea what technology was used to conduct these interviews. Was it Zoom? It's clear some were telephonic and their could have been someone coaching them on their answers.

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Anonymous wrote:Did people read the NYT article yesterday? I understand there were many things that went wrong that night, including understaffing in the tower, but why the hell was a pilot with inferior flying skills in the area that night? I was struck by the description of her lack of talent as a pilot. I’m sorry if that is hurtful to her family.

Can someone paste the relevant part, or post a link to the article?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/01/us/politics/dc-plane-helicopter-crash.html

....That same week, Mr. Eaves, assigned to give her the annual flight exam, told his girlfriend that he feared Captain Lobach was unprepared for the flight, according to an N.T.S.B. interview document.

Completely unrelated to the point of this article but I noticed they reference his girlfriend...but his obituaries mentioned his widow and children. So, is this just an error and they interviewed his wife? Or like...what cause the alternative is this is how his wife finds out he had an affair.

Really, man/woman? This is what you are wondering ?

Yes, that is my only concern in all of this. (I'll note that was sarcasm for you.)

I immediately said "Completely not the point of this article," implying I understand the point of the article. I am simply confused how this man's gf was interviewed by NTSB when he was married. Did the NTSB identify her as his gf incorrectly? I would hope that they are being very detail oriented in the investigation, so that wouldn't be great.

Are you suggesting that the report is a fabrication?

This is clearly going over your head, so let me be very, very explicit for you:

Misidentifying someone as a "girlfriend" when they were a wife is a mistake that may not seem like much, but to me, it indicates that the NTSB is not paying much attention to details. They interviewed this woman themselves, according to the report, so it's not like they're relying on information from a third party who got it wrong. It is concerning that in the investigation of a passenger jet crash they would get something so blatantly wrong.

It is not a misidentification. There was a wife and a (separate) girlfriend. It is in the next-of-kin interview transcripts in the NTSB docket.

There is also a suggestion that the female pilot might have had undiagnosed ADHD. Again, it is in the next-of-kin interviews.

Just read it. The wife says they were reconciling (they were separated because he'd had an affair in the past) and lived together part time, but the girlfriend says they had been together for two years and were moving to Alabama together after his assignment at Ft. Belvoir was up. Sounds like the wife was unaware of that.

Look, I know this is not the point but my god I feel bad for the wife.

So, I can trust the NTSB today?

Sigh.
What do you think? Could this be a wake up call to change aviation??

I think their work is sloppy. I have no idea what technology was used to conduct these interviews. Was it Zoom? It's clear some were telephonic and their could have been someone coaching them on their answers.

Well, they called the gf bc they were going through his phone and noticed "multiple lengthy calls to and from that number in the days leading up to the accident." They do note that she had the opportunity to contact an attorney and she declined and agreed to proceed immediately. So, I don't think she was being coached. I think she's just your typical mistress who can't help herself and gabs to anyone who will listen about the affair.

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Anonymous wrote:Did people read the NYT article yesterday? I understand there were many things that went wrong that night, including understaffing in the tower, but why the hell was a pilot with inferior flying skills in the area that night? I was struck by the description of her lack of talent as a pilot. I’m sorry if that is hurtful to her family.

Can someone paste the relevant part, or post a link to the article?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/01/us/politics/dc-plane-helicopter-crash.html

....That same week, Mr. Eaves, assigned to give her the annual flight exam, told his girlfriend that he feared Captain Lobach was unprepared for the flight, according to an N.T.S.B. interview document.

Completely unrelated to the point of this article but I noticed they reference his girlfriend...but his obituaries mentioned his widow and children. So, is this just an error and they interviewed his wife? Or like...what cause the alternative is this is how his wife finds out he had an affair.

Really, man/woman? This is what you are wondering ?

Yes, that is my only concern in all of this. (I'll note that was sarcasm for you.)

I immediately said "Completely not the point of this article," implying I understand the point of the article. I am simply confused how this man's gf was interviewed by NTSB when he was married. Did the NTSB identify her as his gf incorrectly? I would hope that they are being very detail oriented in the investigation, so that wouldn't be great.

Are you suggesting that the report is a fabrication?

This is clearly going over your head, so let me be very, very explicit for you:

Misidentifying someone as a "girlfriend" when they were a wife is a mistake that may not seem like much, but to me, it indicates that the NTSB is not paying much attention to details. They interviewed this woman themselves, according to the report, so it's not like they're relying on information from a third party who got it wrong. It is concerning that in the investigation of a passenger jet crash they would get something so blatantly wrong.

It is not a misidentification. There was a wife and a (separate) girlfriend. It is in the next-of-kin interview transcripts in the NTSB docket.

There is also a suggestion that the female pilot might have had undiagnosed ADHD. Again, it is in the next-of-kin interviews.

Just read it. The wife says they were reconciling (they were separated because he'd had an affair in the past) and lived together part time, but the girlfriend says they had been together for two years and were moving to Alabama together after his assignment at Ft. Belvoir was up. Sounds like the wife was unaware of that.

Look, I know this is not the point but my god I feel bad for the wife.

So, I can trust the NTSB today?

Sigh.
What do you think? Could this be a wake up call to change aviation??

I think their work is sloppy. I have no idea what technology was used to conduct these interviews. Was it Zoom? It's clear some were telephonic and their could have been someone coaching them on their answers.

Well, they called the gf bc they were going through his phone and noticed "multiple lengthy calls to and from that number in the days leading up to the accident." They do note that she had the opportunity to contact an attorney and she declined and agreed to proceed immediately. So, I don't think she was being coached. I think she's just your typical mistress who can't help herself and gabs to anyone who will listen about the affair.

I am not convinced she knew he was still with his wife. The wife says they were reconciling and lived together part-time but had just decided to move back in together and bought a new house for a fresh start. She, obviously, stated to investigators that after he died she rescinded the offer.

The girlfriend states that he and his wife were separated and that he told her they could go to Alabama together after his tour at Ft. Belvoir was up. She says they were very hopeful and excited about the future.

I think we was lying to both of them, and I'm sad (particularly for the wife, the gf should know better than to trust a "separated" man) that this is how they likely had to find out.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read an article that said it was the fault of the air traffic control man who was doing two jobs and did not confirm things with the helicopter pilot. Why isn't anyone talking about that? Is it because he is a white male? He admitted it.

Good for you, now read the nTSB report recently released in full. To get real facts and the whole picture. This was a nightmare unskilled pilot and error-riddled ride.

It’s really mystifying why after so many mistakes he left her in control in probably the most dangerous air space in the country. I don’t know if the rank thing makes a difference…is it more awkward to do that to someone that outranks you? There were lots of things that went wrong that day but his failure to take controls for the DCA cross over seems like one of them.
But no one should have ever allowed such an insanely dangerous aviation intersection.

Have you ever told a woman, "No."?

Again. Insane the man in this story has been proven to be a liar and yet the woman is taking the fall.

He cheated on his wife, and then lied to both the wife and mistress about no longer being in contact with the other one. Zero credibility.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read an article that said it was the fault of the air traffic control man who was doing two jobs and did not confirm things with the helicopter pilot. Why isn't anyone talking about that? Is it because he is a white male? He admitted it.

Good for you, now read the nTSB report recently released in full. To get real facts and the whole picture. This was a nightmare unskilled pilot and error-riddled ride.

It’s really mystifying why after so many mistakes he left her in control in probably the most dangerous air space in the country. I don’t know if the rank thing makes a difference…is it more awkward to do that to someone that outranks you? There were lots of things that went wrong that day but his failure to take controls for the DCA cross over seems like one of them.
But no one should have ever allowed such an insanely dangerous aviation intersection.

Have you ever told a woman, "No."?

Again. Insane the man in this story has been proven to be a liar and yet the woman is taking the fall.

He cheated on his wife, and then lied to both the wife and mistress about no longer being in contact with the other one. Zero credibility.

He never got to testify. He dead.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read an article that said it was the fault of the air traffic control man who was doing two jobs and did not confirm things with the helicopter pilot. Why isn't anyone talking about that? Is it because he is a white male? He admitted it.

Good for you, now read the nTSB report recently released in full. To get real facts and the whole picture. This was a nightmare unskilled pilot and error-riddled ride.

It’s really mystifying why after so many mistakes he left her in control in probably the most dangerous air space in the country. I don’t know if the rank thing makes a difference…is it more awkward to do that to someone that outranks you? There were lots of things that went wrong that day but his failure to take controls for the DCA cross over seems like one of them.
But no one should have ever allowed such an insanely dangerous aviation intersection.

Have you ever told a woman, "No."?

Again. Insane the man in this story has been proven to be a liar and yet the woman is taking the fall.

He cheated on his wife, and then lied to both the wife and mistress about no longer being in contact with the other one. Zero credibility.

It is a bit sad that they asked both women, "Was there anything stressful happening in his personal life" and the wife said "No, we reconciled and were buying a house together!" and the girlfriend said "No, he was separated from his wife and we were making plans to move together in a couple years."

Sounds like he had a lot of stress lying to both of these women and they had no idea. Now, enough stress to impact his job? Probably not. But I'm judging him.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty clear that this entire “investigation” has been structured in such a way to put all the blame on the female pilot.

Not on the two men flying the more maneuverable jet.

Not on the man sitting next to Lobach, either.



They’re trying to put the blame on her.




So predictable.

The jet cannot move out of the way easily. The helicopter can. What are you missing? There is zero to suggest that the airline guys did anything at all wrong. The blame seems to be on her to a major degree. Just the way it is.

How do you know how maneuverable they are/aren’t? Are you a pilot? If not, then shut your mansplaining mouth.

What we DO know is the two MEN flying the jet clearly weren’t paying attention and didn’t see the chopper.


Yet NO ONE is pointing out this inconvenient fact because they’re too busy blaming THE ONLY female anywhere in the chain.

There is no way this isn't a troll and/or a bot.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read an article that said it was the fault of the air traffic control man who was doing two jobs and did not confirm things with the helicopter pilot. Why isn't anyone talking about that? Is it because he is a white male? He admitted it.

Good for you, now read the nTSB report recently released in full. To get real facts and the whole picture. This was a nightmare unskilled pilot and error-riddled ride.

It’s really mystifying why after so many mistakes he left her in control in probably the most dangerous air space in the country. I don’t know if the rank thing makes a difference…is it more awkward to do that to someone that outranks you? There were lots of things that went wrong that day but his failure to take controls for the DCA cross over seems like one of them.
But no one should have ever allowed such an insanely dangerous aviation intersection.

Have you ever told a woman, "No."?

Of course, yes.

This is clearly misogynistic, narcissistic, instructor, who literally guided his helicopter into a plane.