Is there data that shows AAP vs non-AAP scores on the SOLs?

[Anonymous]

Is there data that shows AAP vs Gen Ed scores on the SOLs?

[Anonymous]

Fifth vs sixth grade math is one way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fifth vs sixth grade math is one way.

All students in an advanced math group/class are eligible to take the 6th grade math SOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fifth vs sixth grade math is one way.

All students in an advanced math group/class are eligible to take the 6th grade math SOL.

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A student doesn't have to be in AAP to be in advanced/compacted math.

[Anonymous]

In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Would be interesting to see if the AAP kids actually score better on the SOLs than the Gen Ed kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Would be interesting to see if the AAP kids actually score better on the SOLs than the Gen Ed kids.

Of course they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Would be interesting to see if the AAP kids actually score better on the SOLs than the Gen Ed kids.

Of course they do.

I know! Stevie Wonder can see that. The real question to ask is how high school kids who were in AAP centers at the elementary school perform against kids who were not in AAP when they take the same HS class. That is the data I'd like to see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Would be interesting to see if the AAP kids actually score better on the SOLs than the Gen Ed kids.

Of course they do.

I know! Stevie Wonder can see that. The real question to ask is how high school kids who were in AAP centers at the elementary school perform against kids who were not in AAP when they take the same HS class. That is the data I'd like to see.

Again, I would guess, on average the AAP student do better than the Gen Ed students- but not because they were in AAP vs Gen Ed. AAP doesn't make them great students. AAP cherry picks students who are already successful.

I would like to see a study of similar students that had Gen Ed vs AAP and see how each population does in HS and beyond. That would tell us if the AAP education is worth the effort/segregation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Would be interesting to see if the AAP kids actually score better on the SOLs than the Gen Ed kids.

Of course they do.

I know! Stevie Wonder can see that. The real question to ask is how high school kids who were in AAP centers at the elementary school perform against kids who were not in AAP when they take the same HS class. That is the data I'd like to see.

Again, I would guess, on average the AAP student do better than the Gen Ed students- but not because they were in AAP vs Gen Ed. AAP doesn't make them great students. AAP cherry picks students who are already successful.

I would like to see a study of similar students that had Gen Ed vs AAP and see how each population does in HS and beyond. That would tell us if the AAP education is worth the effort/segregation.

That would be interesting... for the non-AAP kids, they should be able to pull out those who were within 10-15 points of the cut off on CogAT or NNAT and then see what their GPAs/SATs in HS are. Would love to see that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Would be interesting to see if the AAP kids actually score better on the SOLs than the Gen Ed kids.

Of course they do.

I know! Stevie Wonder can see that. The real question to ask is how high school kids who were in AAP centers at the elementary school perform against kids who were not in AAP when they take the same HS class. That is the data I'd like to see.

Again, I would guess, on average the AAP student do better than the Gen Ed students- but not because they were in AAP vs Gen Ed. AAP doesn't make them great students. AAP cherry picks students who are already successful.

I would like to see a study of similar students that had Gen Ed vs AAP and see how each population does in HS and beyond. That would tell us if the AAP education is worth the effort/segregation.

7:15 here. I believe this is exactly what I asked for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Would be interesting to see if the AAP kids actually score better on the SOLs than the Gen Ed kids.

Of course they do.

I know! Stevie Wonder can see that. The real question to ask is how high school kids who were in AAP centers at the elementary school perform against kids who were not in AAP when they take the same HS class. That is the data I'd like to see.

Again, I would guess, on average the AAP student do better than the Gen Ed students- but not because they were in AAP vs Gen Ed. AAP doesn't make them great students. AAP cherry picks students who are already successful.

I would like to see a study of similar students that had Gen Ed vs AAP and see how each population does in HS and beyond. That would tell us if the AAP education is worth the effort/segregation.

7:15 here. I believe this is exactly what I asked for.

Not exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Would be interesting to see if the AAP kids actually score better on the SOLs than the Gen Ed kids.

Of course they do.

I know! Stevie Wonder can see that. The real question to ask is how high school kids who were in AAP centers at the elementary school perform against kids who were not in AAP when they take the same HS class. That is the data I'd like to see.

As a parent who has three kids (some of whom were in then-GT, some not) who are now in high school and college, I can easily answer that question. As can any other parent with kids in high school and beyond. The kids who were not in GT/AAP fare just as well, if not better in many cases, than their prior-AAP counterparts. It all depends on the student, and not whether or not they were previously in GT/AAP.

Of course, many current-AAP parents simply don't want to hear that bit of information. It invalidates their need to feel that AAP is somehow giving their kids an advantage over the other kids. Thankfully, things have a way of evening out in high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Would be interesting to see if the AAP kids actually score better on the SOLs than the Gen Ed kids.

Of course they do.

I know! Stevie Wonder can see that. The real question to ask is how high school kids who were in AAP centers at the elementary school perform against kids who were not in AAP when they take the same HS class. That is the data I'd like to see.

Again, I would guess, on average the AAP student do better than the Gen Ed students- but not because they were in AAP vs Gen Ed. AAP doesn't make them great students. AAP cherry picks students who are already successful.

I would like to see a study of similar students that had Gen Ed vs AAP and see how each population does in HS and beyond. That would tell us if the AAP education is worth the effort/segregation.

Regarding the bolded, above: you do realize you're talking about 2nd graders? It's kind of pathetic that you think the "success" of a 2nd grader is in any way indicative of their success later in school and in life.

AAP is absolutely not worth the effort or segregation. It creates far more problems than it could ever mitigate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Would be interesting to see if the AAP kids actually score better on the SOLs than the Gen Ed kids.

Of course they do.

I know! Stevie Wonder can see that. The real question to ask is how high school kids who were in AAP centers at the elementary school perform against kids who were not in AAP when they take the same HS class. That is the data I'd like to see.

Again, I would guess, on average the AAP student do better than the Gen Ed students- but not because they were in AAP vs Gen Ed. AAP doesn't make them great students. AAP cherry picks students who are already successful.

I would like to see a study of similar students that had Gen Ed vs AAP and see how each population does in HS and beyond. That would tell us if the AAP education is worth the effort/segregation.

Regarding the bolded, above: you do realize you're talking about 2nd graders? It's kind of pathetic that you think the "success" of a 2nd grader is in any way indicative of their success later in school and in life.

AAP is absolutely not worth the effort or segregation. It creates far more problems than it could ever mitigate.

You are reading your own bias into my words. I did not say that all successful or future successful students were captured by the AAP program or that children not in AAP are doomed to failure. However, a child who is successful in early ES has a higher probability of being successful later in life- regardless of if they are in Gen Ed or AAP. It is not a guarantee if future success either.

[Anonymous]

As a parent of both AAP and non AAP kids, ky AAP kids is more at risk at school than the others. That is why we think the program is important.