Is there data that shows AAP vs non-AAP scores on the SOLs?

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of both AAP and non AAP kids, ky AAP kids is more at risk at school than the others. That is why we think the program is important.

"At risk"? Seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Would be interesting to see if the AAP kids actually score better on the SOLs than the Gen Ed kids.

Of course they do.

I know! Stevie Wonder can see that. The real question to ask is how high school kids who were in AAP centers at the elementary school perform against kids who were not in AAP when they take the same HS class. That is the data I'd like to see.

Again, I would guess, on average the AAP student do better than the Gen Ed students- but not because they were in AAP vs Gen Ed. AAP doesn't make them great students. AAP cherry picks students who are already successful.

I would like to see a study of similar students that had Gen Ed vs AAP and see how each population does in HS and beyond. That would tell us if the AAP education is worth the effort/segregation.

If AAP's curriculum is faster, more in depth and compacted, frankly AAP should be cherry picking those that are already successful.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of both AAP and non AAP kids, ky AAP kids is more at risk at school than the others. That is why we think the program is important.

"At risk"? Seriously?

Yes. I posted that and it is very true in our family's case.

I have several highly and profoundly gifted people in my extended family. My AAP child is highly gifted.

I know from first hand experience and also from research that the adult life of the highly and profoundly gifted is often a struggle.

The AAP teachers my kid had with rare exception got those types of kids and did a wonderful job teaching the extremes.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of both AAP and non AAP kids, ky AAP kids is more at risk at school than the others. That is why we think the program is important.

"At risk"? Seriously?

Yes. I posted that and it is very true in our family's case.

I have several highly and profoundly gifted people in my extended family. My AAP child is highly gifted.
I know from first hand experience and also from research that the adult life of the highly and profoundly gifted is often a struggle.

The AAP teachers my kid had with rare exception got those types of kids and did a wonderful job teaching the extremes.

Says every single parent of an AAP child.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of both AAP and non AAP kids, ky AAP kids is more at risk at school than the others. That is why we think the program is important.

"At risk"? Seriously?

Yes. I posted that and it is very true in our family's case.

I have several highly and profoundly gifted people in my extended family. My AAP child is highly gifted.
I know from first hand experience and also from research that the adult life of the highly and profoundly gifted is often a struggle.

The AAP teachers my kid had with rare exception got those types of kids and did a wonderful job teaching the extremes.

Says every single parent of an AAP child.

Since you know so much about highly and profoundly gifted children, would you share some resources for underachieving students, please? Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of both AAP and non AAP kids, ky AAP kids is more at risk at school than the others. That is why we think the program is important.

"At risk"? Seriously?

Yes. I posted that and it is very true in our family's case.

I have several highly and profoundly gifted people in my extended family. My AAP child is highly gifted.
I know from first hand experience and also from research that the adult life of the highly and profoundly gifted is often a struggle.

The AAP teachers my kid had with rare exception got those types of kids and did a wonderful job teaching the extremes.

Says every single parent of an AAP child.

Since you know so much about highly and profoundly gifted children, would you share some resources for underachieving students, please? Thank you.

Pardon?

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of both AAP and non AAP kids, ky AAP kids is more at risk at school than the others. That is why we think the program is important.

"At risk"? Seriously?

Yes. I posted that and it is very true in our family's case.

I have several highly and profoundly gifted people in my extended family. My AAP child is highly gifted.
I know from first hand experience and also from research that the adult life of the highly and profoundly gifted is often a struggle.

The AAP teachers my kid had with rare exception got those types of kids and did a wonderful job teaching the extremes.

Says every single parent of an AAP child.

Look at the research.

The prognosis for the highly gifted is just as likely to be the adult living in his mom's basement unable to hold down a job than it is likely to be the person that cures cancer.

Being highly or profoundly gifted is not what you think it is and if you knew adults who are highly gifted you would know that they are indeed an at risk population.

You eye rolls just shows your ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Regarding the bolded, above: you do realize you're talking about 2nd graders? It's kind of pathetic that you think the "success" of a 2nd grader is in any way indicative of their success later in school and in life.

AAP is absolutely not worth the effort or segregation. It creates far more problems than it could ever mitigate.

You really don't think that school success in the early grades has any predictive power on "success"? Or that kids who are score well a test that is highly correlated with IQ might be more likely to have successful careers than a kid who bombs it, or scores in the average range? Note that we are talking about population averages, not individual students. These tests, while imperfect, are not meaningless.

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Anonymous wrote:In 3rd grade, all the students take the same SOLs, right?

Regarding the bolded, above: you do realize you're talking about 2nd graders? It's kind of pathetic that you think the "success" of a 2nd grader is in any way indicative of their success later in school and in life.

AAP is absolutely not worth the effort or segregation. It creates far more problems than it could ever mitigate.

You really don't think that school success in the early grades has any predictive power on "success"? Or that kids who are score well a test that is highly correlated with IQ might be more likely to have successful careers than a kid who bombs it, or scores in the average range? Note that we are talking about population averages, not individual students. These tests, while imperfect, are not meaningless.

I think that you place waaaay too much emphasis on tests that are taken by 7 and 8 year old children, many of whom have been prepped. I also think that you don't have any older children (high school and beyond) or you would have already seen how AAP/no AAP plays no role in who is successful and who isn't.

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It would be interesting to see data for 3rd grade since that's the first year of the AAP/Gen Ed split.

Do all AAP kids in 3rd grade pass advanced on the SOLs?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see data for 3rd grade since that's the first year of the AAP/Gen Ed split.

Do all AAP kids in 3rd grade pass advanced on the SOLs?

Of course not.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see data for 3rd grade since that's the first year of the AAP/Gen Ed split.

Do all AAP kids in 3rd grade pass advanced on the SOLs?

Of course not.

Why not?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see data for 3rd grade since that's the first year of the AAP/Gen Ed split.

Do all AAP kids in 3rd grade pass advanced on the SOLs?

Of course not.

Why not?

Because most do and not all do.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of both AAP and non AAP kids, ky AAP kids is more at risk at school than the others. That is why we think the program is important.

"At risk"? Seriously?

Yes. I posted that and it is very true in our family's case.

I have several highly and profoundly gifted people in my extended family. My AAP child is highly gifted.

I know from first hand experience and also from research that the adult life of the highly and profoundly gifted is often a struggle.

The AAP teachers my kid had with rare exception got those types of kids and did a wonderful job teaching the extremes.

And what have they aacomplished in life that reflects their "PROFOUND/Highly" giftedness? Geniuses write symphonies at young ages or win Nobel prizes etc. They don't just score at the 99.9 percentile on some IQ test.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of both AAP and non AAP kids, ky AAP kids is more at risk at school than the others. That is why we think the program is important.

"At risk"? Seriously?

Yes. I posted that and it is very true in our family's case.

I have several highly and profoundly gifted people in my extended family. My AAP child is highly gifted.

I know from first hand experience and also from research that the adult life of the highly and profoundly gifted is often a struggle.

The AAP teachers my kid had with rare exception got those types of kids and did a wonderful job teaching the extremes.

And what have they aacomplished in life that reflects their "PROFOUND/Highly" giftedness? Geniuses write symphonies at young ages or win Nobel prizes etc. They don't just score at the 99.9 percentile on some IQ test.

Are you thinking that only "geniuses" can be considered "gifted"?