Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

The partial closure of Beach has already turned my neighborhood in Chevy Chase into a frequent cut through with commuters speeding through while our kids walk to their bus stops and neighbors are just trying to walk their dogs. We don’t have sidewalks, people ignore the “no left turn” signs. We can’t take anymore capacity shifting onto our streets.

Did you fight against sidewalks? You can petition the city to get sidewalks installed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From reading the bios of the bike mafia it seems this city has an unusual concentration of “urban planners.” What exactly does this mean?

Urban planners are effectively public policy degrees that people who earn them think bestow some form of specialized knowledge or authority. The reality is that it is an area of study that lacks scientific foundation.

Lol no. You do not even have an idea what they do. It is pretty much a hard science degree, lots of math, research, data analysis and computer programming. Urban planning combines the fields of civil engineering, architecture, human geography, politics, social science and design sciences. Urban planning is concerned with research and analysis, strategic thinking, engineering architecture, urban design, public consultation, policy recommendations, implementation and management. Most urban planner are looking 20+ years out at a minimum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From reading the bios of the bike mafia it seems this city has an unusual concentration of “urban planners.” What exactly does this mean?

Urban planners are effectively public policy degrees that people who earn them think bestow some form of specialized knowledge or authority. The reality is that it is an area of study that lacks scientific foundation.

In that case, so does traffic engineering. Including road classification systems. There is no scientific foundation to roads being local or collector or arterial roads.

It looks like we’ve found an urban planner. Could you tell us what the seminal/foundational academic work is in your field?

Could you please explain the scientific underpinnings of road classification systems?

There are a lot of fields of specialized knowledge that aren't physics but are, nonetheless, fields of specialized knowledge. Your objection is silly.

Just absolutely hilarious how thin skinned you are about your “area of specialized knowledge” that has zero scientific foundation. You have the equivalent of a humanities degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From reading the bios of the bike mafia it seems this city has an unusual concentration of “urban planners.” What exactly does this mean?

Urban planners are effectively public policy degrees that people who earn them think bestow some form of specialized knowledge or authority. The reality is that it is an area of study that lacks scientific foundation.

Lol no. You do not even have an idea what they do. It is pretty much a hard science degree, lots of math, research, data analysis and computer programming. Urban planning combines the fields of civil engineering, architecture, human geography, politics, social science and design sciences. Urban planning is concerned with research and analysis, strategic thinking, engineering architecture, urban design, public consultation, policy recommendations, implementation and management. Most urban planner are looking 20+ years out at a minimum.

Please provide a citation to a work of “hard science” that is generally recognized as foundational in your field.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From reading the bios of the bike mafia it seems this city has an unusual concentration of “urban planners.” What exactly does this mean?

Urban planners are effectively public policy degrees that people who earn them think bestow some form of specialized knowledge or authority. The reality is that it is an area of study that lacks scientific foundation.

In that case, so does traffic engineering. Including road classification systems. There is no scientific foundation to roads being local or collector or arterial roads.

It looks like we’ve found an urban planner. Could you tell us what the seminal/foundational academic work is in your field?

Could you please explain the scientific underpinnings of road classification systems?

There are a lot of fields of specialized knowledge that aren't physics but are, nonetheless, fields of specialized knowledge. Your objection is silly.

Just absolutely hilarious how thin skinned you are about your “area of specialized knowledge” that has zero scientific foundation. You have the equivalent of a humanities degree.

Yep. Just like lawyers, accountants, and teachers. What do any of them know, anyway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From reading the bios of the bike mafia it seems this city has an unusual concentration of “urban planners.” What exactly does this mean?

Urban planners are effectively public policy degrees that people who earn them think bestow some form of specialized knowledge or authority. The reality is that it is an area of study that lacks scientific foundation.

So basically over educated low level DDOT/USDOT/HUD employees?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

The partial closure of Beach has already turned my neighborhood in Chevy Chase into a frequent cut through with commuters speeding through while our kids walk to their bus stops and neighbors are just trying to walk their dogs. We don’t have sidewalks, people ignore the “no left turn” signs. We can’t take anymore capacity shifting onto our streets.

They are public roads. People were already "cutting through" - it isn't like there was some country road with a fence on it and people are moving the fence and cutting through the fields. THAT is cutting through. People dirving on city streets is not cutting through.

Just to clarify, are you finally admitting that traffic will be diverted onto those "public roads"?

No, I am admitting that public roads are used....by the public. I see the cars in the Oregon Avenue area all the time, but before, during and after the pandemic. It is all about the same. The reason it may seem like more is because Oregon Ave construction finally completed.

The public roads are used by the public but the public doesn't deserve a say in changes proposed for the public roads?

The twists of logic are astounding. This proposal seems to be primarily motivated by hate and narcissim. A desire to punish your neighbors for the benefit of a few dozen. It makes sense why everything its proponents say in public is a lie.

Lies about diversity, lies about congestion, lies about traffic diversion, lies about demand, and lies about popularity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The writing is on the wall. The Connecticut Avenue bike lanes are on life support.
https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/economic-development/anxious-dc-real-estate-execs-launch-fight-against-bike-lanes-and-city-officials-respond-118547

The mayor would be wise to look to Portland as an example of these progressive policies and bike lanes run amok. Small businesses (and large) cannot sustain doing business there. Their beloved REI just announced closure. DC has a very similar vocal progressive demographic that is taking control of government at all levels. They need to be stopped before it’s too late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From reading the bios of the bike mafia it seems this city has an unusual concentration of “urban planners.” What exactly does this mean?

Urban planners are effectively public policy degrees that people who earn them think bestow some form of specialized knowledge or authority. The reality is that it is an area of study that lacks scientific foundation.

Lol no. You do not even have an idea what they do. It is pretty much a hard science degree, lots of math, research, data analysis and computer programming. Urban planning combines the fields of civil engineering, architecture, human geography, politics, social science and design sciences. Urban planning is concerned with research and analysis, strategic thinking, engineering architecture, urban design, public consultation, policy recommendations, implementation and management. Most urban planner are looking 20+ years out at a minimum.

Please provide a citation to a work of “hard science” that is generally recognized as foundational in your field.

Look at the requirements for any accredited program.

The PP isn't wrong in terms of what the baseline knowledge base and expertise requires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

The partial closure of Beach has already turned my neighborhood in Chevy Chase into a frequent cut through with commuters speeding through while our kids walk to their bus stops and neighbors are just trying to walk their dogs. We don’t have sidewalks, people ignore the “no left turn” signs. We can’t take anymore capacity shifting onto our streets.

They are public roads. People were already "cutting through" - it isn't like there was some country road with a fence on it and people are moving the fence and cutting through the fields. THAT is cutting through. People dirving on city streets is not cutting through.

Just to clarify, are you finally admitting that traffic will be diverted onto those "public roads"?

No, I am admitting that public roads are used....by the public. I see the cars in the Oregon Avenue area all the time, but before, during and after the pandemic. It is all about the same. The reason it may seem like more is because Oregon Ave construction finally completed.

The public roads are used by the public but the public doesn't deserve a say in changes proposed for the public roads?

The twists of logic are astounding. This proposal seems to be primarily motivated by hate and narcissim. A desire to punish your neighbors for the benefit of a few dozen. It makes sense why everything its proponents say in public is a lie.

Lies about diversity, lies about congestion, lies about traffic diversion, lies about demand, and lies about popularity.

The public absolutely has a say, but the individual homeowner or business on a specific street also doesn't get to dictate to everyone else who pays for the street how to use it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

The partial closure of Beach has already turned my neighborhood in Chevy Chase into a frequent cut through with commuters speeding through while our kids walk to their bus stops and neighbors are just trying to walk their dogs. We don’t have sidewalks, people ignore the “no left turn” signs. We can’t take anymore capacity shifting onto our streets.

They are public roads. People were already "cutting through" - it isn't like there was some country road with a fence on it and people are moving the fence and cutting through the fields. THAT is cutting through. People dirving on city streets is not cutting through.

Just to clarify, are you finally admitting that traffic will be diverted onto those "public roads"?

No, I am admitting that public roads are used....by the public. I see the cars in the Oregon Avenue area all the time, but before, during and after the pandemic. It is all about the same. The reason it may seem like more is because Oregon Ave construction finally completed.

The public roads are used by the public but the public doesn't deserve a say in changes proposed for the public roads?

The twists of logic are astounding. This proposal seems to be primarily motivated by hate and narcissim. A desire to punish your neighbors for the benefit of a few dozen. It makes sense why everything its proponents say in public is a lie.

Lies about diversity, lies about congestion, lies about traffic diversion, lies about demand, and lies about popularity.

The public absolutely has a say, but the individual homeowner or business on a specific street also doesn't get to dictate to everyone else who pays for the street how to use it.

They were expressing disapproval to the Connecticut Ave plan. They even explained why. They weren't demanding or dictating anything. Unlike the bike lane dozen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From reading the bios of the bike mafia it seems this city has an unusual concentration of “urban planners.” What exactly does this mean?

Urban planners are effectively public policy degrees that people who earn them think bestow some form of specialized knowledge or authority. The reality is that it is an area of study that lacks scientific foundation.

Lol no. You do not even have an idea what they do. It is pretty much a hard science degree, lots of math, research, data analysis and computer programming. Urban planning combines the fields of civil engineering, architecture, human geography, politics, social science and design sciences. Urban planning is concerned with research and analysis, strategic thinking, engineering architecture, urban design, public consultation, policy recommendations, implementation and management. Most urban planner are looking 20+ years out at a minimum.

Please provide a citation to a work of “hard science” that is generally recognized as foundational in your field.

Look at the requirements for any accredited program.

The PP isn't wrong in terms of what the baseline knowledge base and expertise requires.

Vague hand waving about total nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The writing is on the wall. The Connecticut Avenue bike lanes are on life support.
https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/economic-development/anxious-dc-real-estate-execs-launch-fight-against-bike-lanes-and-city-officials-respond-118547

The mayor would be wise to look to Portland as an example of these progressive policies and bike lanes run amok. Small businesses (and large) cannot sustain doing business there. Their beloved REI just announced closure. DC has a very similar vocal progressive demographic that is taking control of government at all levels. They need to be stopped before it’s too late.

Lies again. The Portland REI is closing due to theft, including by a CAR ramming into it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11985749/amp/Outdoor-goods-supplier-REI-closes-Portland-store-overwhelmed-theft.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From reading the bios of the bike mafia it seems this city has an unusual concentration of “urban planners.” What exactly does this mean?

Urban planners are effectively public policy degrees that people who earn them think bestow some form of specialized knowledge or authority. The reality is that it is an area of study that lacks scientific foundation.

In that case, so does traffic engineering. Including road classification systems. There is no scientific foundation to roads being local or collector or arterial roads.

It looks like we’ve found an urban planner. Could you tell us what the seminal/foundational academic work is in your field?

Could you please explain the scientific underpinnings of road classification systems?

There are a lot of fields of specialized knowledge that aren't physics but are, nonetheless, fields of specialized knowledge. Your objection is silly.

Classification is the essential foundation of science since Linneas. Great way to argue that your field is scientific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The writing is on the wall. The Connecticut Avenue bike lanes are on life support.
https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/economic-development/anxious-dc-real-estate-execs-launch-fight-against-bike-lanes-and-city-officials-respond-118547

The mayor would be wise to look to Portland as an example of these progressive policies and bike lanes run amok. Small businesses (and large) cannot sustain doing business there. Their beloved REI just announced closure. DC has a very similar vocal progressive demographic that is taking control of government at all levels. They need to be stopped before it’s too late.

Lies again. The Portland REI is closing due to theft, including by a CAR ramming into it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11985749/amp/Outdoor-goods-supplier-REI-closes-Portland-store-overwhelmed-theft.html

Did you read the part about “progressive policies”?