Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative

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Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Defund AAP and improve all elementary schools.

How will that help my 140iq kid?

She doesn't care about your 140 IQ kid. She can't even comprehend what that could mean.

She gets paid to dismantle this system. That's how she makes a living.

AAP allows for segregated schools which is evil.

How much do you get paid per post?

You are a hypocrite. I bet you are a smug self-righteous liberal screaming for racial justice, affirmative action etc. yet when it comes to doing something that will really matter to provide an essential and viable solution to improve opportunities for all children, especially lower SES, black and Hispanic students by improving one thing that will give them a fighting chance to have opportunities for better life, you dismiss and mock it.

As the saying goes, teach them how to fish rather than giving them fish. Affirmative action is a band-aid and temporary solution. A child must have a solid education from 1st grade to 6th (preferably earlier) grade and build a solid foundation in math, reading, writing, vocabulary and grammar. A child will struggle in middle/high school and college without such solid foundation and just expecting a child who has received poor quality education in elementary school to do well in later years is unrealistic and this child will be at a significant disadvantage for his/her entire life.

In addition, fcps is only obligated to have a separate educational program for "Gifted" children (in addition to special ed) and AAP is certainly not a gifted education that it may have been many years ago. AAP just serves to provide additional advantages for mostly upper and upper middle class white children to receive better education than the gen ed children. It is unconscionable period not to mention all the shenanigans at the appeals stage perpetrated by mostly upper middle class white parents. Better to have a real gifted education that is limited to less than 5% at most and improve all schools especially the ones in poorer neighborhoods.

You still didn't say how much you get paid!!

And ...... wait for it .... it's pretty clear you are the SJW.

I get nothing. Surprised anyone gets paid to post on this board.

So what is the impetus for all of your angst for AAP? Does this impact you personally?

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Its not really the common good if you are taking opportunity away from some kids.

And poor children will still suffer after you've succeeded in dismantling AAP.

I'm the person you're responding to and I'm not interested in dismantling AAP - that's someone else.

It is really the common good when you're improving the experience for the kids who are in the program by introducing diverse perspectives to the academic conversation, and when you're improving the experience for the kids who are in gen ed by bringing students with a bit more academic fluency into the classroom. And it's probably better for the kids who are moving because now they're in the position of being leaders in the classroom instead of being on the back end with a bunch of kids who look exactly like them but are just better.

My kid's perspective is diverse enough (we are not white). I would not want my kid to go back to general ed to be someone else's inspiration for academic fluency or whatever you want to call it. We want the best education that FCPS can offer and that isnt in the general ed room.

I agree.

I want more academic rigor, not less. I want my kid to be challenged. I want his peers to be highly motivated who push each other to succeed and are interested in academics. Slowing my kid down doesn't help them.

My kids don't need more diverse perspectives. They're multi lingual and have lived abroad.

“My kid...my kid...my kids“ ... it’s time the system stop catering to the same self-centered crowd who suck all the oxygen out of the room with their insistence that their privileged kids are better than everyone else’s.

Your kids won't be supporting me in old age. Mine will. They're my priority, other kids come last.

If the system catered to me, we would have multiple levels of tracking, text books, work books, homework in early elementary, and way more rigor than we do right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for the scientific studies showing that students benefit from diversity in the classroom.

Well Curie is apparently 99% Indian and they managed to get 28% of the slots for TJ. That’s one data point.

Huh? If you are trying to make a point, at least attach it to a relevant quote.

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Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Defund AAP and improve all elementary schools.

How will that help my 140iq kid?

She doesn't care about your 140 IQ kid. She can't even comprehend what that could mean.

She gets paid to dismantle this system. That's how she makes a living.

AAP allows for segregated schools which is evil.

How much do you get paid per post?

You are a hypocrite. I bet you are a smug self-righteous liberal screaming for racial justice, affirmative action etc. yet when it comes to doing something that will really matter to provide an essential and viable solution to improve opportunities for all children, especially lower SES, black and Hispanic students by improving one thing that will give them a fighting chance to have opportunities for better life, you dismiss and mock it.

As the saying goes, teach them how to fish rather than giving them fish. Affirmative action is a band-aid and temporary solution. A child must have a solid education from 1st grade to 6th (preferably earlier) grade and build a solid foundation in math, reading, writing, vocabulary and grammar. A child will struggle in middle/high school and college without such solid foundation and just expecting a child who has received poor quality education in elementary school to do well in later years is unrealistic and this child will be at a significant disadvantage for his/her entire life.

In addition, fcps is only obligated to have a separate educational program for "Gifted" children (in addition to special ed) and AAP is certainly not a gifted education that it may have been many years ago. AAP just serves to provide additional advantages for mostly upper and upper middle class white children to receive better education than the gen ed children. It is unconscionable period not to mention all the shenanigans at the appeals stage perpetrated by mostly upper middle class white parents. Better to have a real gifted education that is limited to less than 5% at most and improve all schools especially the ones in poorer neighborhoods.

You still didn't say how much you get paid!!

And ...... wait for it .... it's pretty clear you are the SJW.

I get nothing. Surprised anyone gets paid to post on this board.

So what is the impetus for all of your angst for AAP? Does this impact you personally?

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Its not really the common good if you are taking opportunity away from some kids.

And poor children will still suffer after you've succeeded in dismantling AAP.

I'm the person you're responding to and I'm not interested in dismantling AAP - that's someone else.

It is really the common good when you're improving the experience for the kids who are in the program by introducing diverse perspectives to the academic conversation, and when you're improving the experience for the kids who are in gen ed by bringing students with a bit more academic fluency into the classroom. And it's probably better for the kids who are moving because now they're in the position of being leaders in the classroom instead of being on the back end with a bunch of kids who look exactly like them but are just better.

My kid's perspective is diverse enough (we are not white). I would not want my kid to go back to general ed to be someone else's inspiration for academic fluency or whatever you want to call it. We want the best education that FCPS can offer and that isnt in the general ed room.

I agree.

I want more academic rigor, not less. I want my kid to be challenged. I want his peers to be highly motivated who push each other to succeed and are interested in academics. Slowing my kid down doesn't help them.

My kids don't need more diverse perspectives. They're multi lingual and have lived abroad.

“My kid...my kid...my kids“ ... it’s time the system stop catering to the same self-centered crowd who suck all the oxygen out of the room with their insistence that their privileged kids are better than everyone else’s.

Your kids won't be supporting me in old age. Mine will. They're my priority, other kids come last.

If the system catered to me, we would have multiple levels of tracking, text books, work books, homework in early elementary, and way more rigor than we do right now.

Perfectly said.

I have a question for the 'defund AAP' propagandist: what makes you think that you are an authority in what's best for other people's kids?

If your kids are AAP worthy, but you want to dismantle AAP, you are wierd, and certainly unmotherly/unfatherly.

If your kids can't make it into AAP, then you are selfish and coniving, trying to destroy what others have, only because you can't have it, while deceivingly talking about equity.

If you don't have kids, then you're a troll, paid to push an agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for the scientific studies showing that students benefit from diversity in the classroom.

Well Curie is apparently 99% Indian and they managed to get 28% of the slots for TJ. That’s one data point.

As has been thoroughly discussed and sourced in other threads, Curie has privileged access to the "math" exam. Unless your aim is to paint Indian families as condoning cheating, this isn't a statistic I would cite.

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Anonymous wrote:The students who cheated shouldnt face legal problems but they should be removed from TJ for cheating.

Good luck with that. Cheating is rampant at TJ

NP here. I'm pretty sure this thread and the other similar thread are between just two people, who need to get a life. Nobody cares about this as much as the both of you. GET A LIFE.

And yet here you are commenting. Sounds like Curie reps or parents trying to shut down discussion.

There is someone running around on these boards saying "Curie did nothing wrong".... which you wouldn't know unless you work for them or have some investment in them. So it should be assumed that there are Curie reps spreading propaganda here.

Defund AAP and improve all elementary schools.

How will that help my 140iq kid?

She doesn't care about your 140 IQ kid. She can't even comprehend what that could mean.

She gets paid to dismantle this system. That's how she makes a living.

AAP allows for segregated schools which is evil.

How much do you get paid per post?

You are a hypocrite. I bet you are a smug self-righteous liberal screaming for racial justice, affirmative action etc. yet when it comes to doing something that will really matter to provide an essential and viable solution to improve opportunities for all children, especially lower SES, black and Hispanic students by improving one thing that will give them a fighting chance to have opportunities for better life, you dismiss and mock it.

As the saying goes, teach them how to fish rather than giving them fish. Affirmative action is a band-aid and temporary solution. A child must have a solid education from 1st grade to 6th (preferably earlier) grade and build a solid foundation in math, reading, writing, vocabulary and grammar. A child will struggle in middle/high school and college without such solid foundation and just expecting a child who has received poor quality education in elementary school to do well in later years is unrealistic and this child will be at a significant disadvantage for his/her entire life.

In addition, fcps is only obligated to have a separate educational program for "Gifted" children (in addition to special ed) and AAP is certainly not a gifted education that it may have been many years ago. AAP just serves to provide additional advantages for mostly upper and upper middle class white children to receive better education than the gen ed children. It is unconscionable period not to mention all the shenanigans at the appeals stage perpetrated by mostly upper middle class white parents. Better to have a real gifted education that is limited to less than 5% at most and improve all schools especially the ones in poorer neighborhoods.

You still didn't say how much you get paid!!

And ...... wait for it .... it's pretty clear you are the SJW.

I get nothing. Surprised anyone gets paid to post on this board.

So what is the impetus for all of your angst for AAP? Does this impact you personally?

It continually amazes me how little people understand the idea of folks acting for the common good rather than relentlessly pursuing craven self-interest.

Its not really the common good if you are taking opportunity away from some kids.

And poor children will still suffer after you've succeeded in dismantling AAP.

I'm the person you're responding to and I'm not interested in dismantling AAP - that's someone else.

It is really the common good when you're improving the experience for the kids who are in the program by introducing diverse perspectives to the academic conversation, and when you're improving the experience for the kids who are in gen ed by bringing students with a bit more academic fluency into the classroom. And it's probably better for the kids who are moving because now they're in the position of being leaders in the classroom instead of being on the back end with a bunch of kids who look exactly like them but are just better.

My kid's perspective is diverse enough (we are not white). I would not want my kid to go back to general ed to be someone else's inspiration for academic fluency or whatever you want to call it. We want the best education that FCPS can offer and that isnt in the general ed room.

I agree.

I want more academic rigor, not less. I want my kid to be challenged. I want his peers to be highly motivated who push each other to succeed and are interested in academics. Slowing my kid down doesn't help them.

My kids don't need more diverse perspectives. They're multi lingual and have lived abroad.

“My kid...my kid...my kids“ ... it’s time the system stop catering to the same self-centered crowd who suck all the oxygen out of the room with their insistence that their privileged kids are better than everyone else’s.

Your kids won't be supporting me in old age. Mine will. They're my priority, other kids come last.

If the system catered to me, we would have multiple levels of tracking, text books, work books, homework in early elementary, and way more rigor than we do right now.

Everyone's kids support everyone in old age through taxes, social security, and the general well-being of society. It is in everyone's interest for as many students as possible to be as well-educated as possible.

More students with an exceptional education background means a greater likelihood that society will cure whatever is wrong with you in your old age, or at least give you a better life up until that point.

It won't matter how much money your kid makes in their life if society trends in the way that it's trending now because of the intense selfishness that is promoted by proponents of laissez-faire capitalism with no guardrails.

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Everyone's kids support everyone in old age through taxes, social security, and the general well-being of society. It is in everyone's interest for as many students as possible to be as well-educated as possible.

More students with an exceptional education background means a greater likelihood that society will cure whatever is wrong with you in your old age, or at least give you a better life up until that point.

It won't matter how much money your kid makes in their life if society trends in the way that it's trending now because of the intense selfishness that is promoted by proponents of laissez-faire capitalism with no guardrails.

Anyone who is depending on social security for retirement is on a fool's errand.

What others are proposing will not increase the number of kids getting an exceptional education but will just change the racial/economic mix.

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What others are proposing will not increase the number of kids getting an exceptional education but will just change the racial/economic mix.

Sure, but it will also increase the legitimately bright minority/poor kids who are getting in vs. the slightly above average privileged kids who worm their way in. Or better yet, let them all in, increase the rigor in AAP, and let people sink or swim on their own merits. Then, remove the kids who can't handle the program. In my kids' school, AAP has been so watered down and the bottom kids are so coddled by the teachers that no one ever returns to gen ed. If they stopped teaching to the bottom, I wouldn't care who or how many kids they let into AAP.

That being said, AAP is hardly an exceptional education. It's no different than gen ed in many other part of the country.

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As a spin-off, I wonder what percent of the AAP kids can't handle it and return to gen ed at each AAP center. That seems like a reasonable proxy for the rigor of the center and whether the center is teaching to the bottom rather than being a true AAP program.

[Anonymous]

Your kids won't be supporting me in old age. Mine will. They're my priority, other kids come last.

Why are you planning in advance to be a burden to your children in your old age? How about working hard and saving and investing now so you can give your adult children the gift of not having to worry about you as you age?

Sure, bad things can happen and anyone can become dependent on their children, but I don’t understand why someone would deliberately plan in advance to be a burden to others. That seems irresponsible, a character trait we certainly don’t want our children to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for the scientific studies showing that students benefit from diversity in the classroom.

Well Curie is apparently 99% Indian and they managed to get 28% of the slots for TJ. That’s one data point.

As has been thoroughly discussed and sourced in other threads, Curie has privileged access to the "math" exam. Unless your aim is to paint Indian families as condoning cheating, this isn't a statistic I would cite.

My comment has nothing to do with Indians. My comment was to the SJW who insists that basically a lack of tracking is good for everyone. The SJW has repeatedly stated that there are many scientific studies demonstrating that diversity benefits all groups in the classroom. Low performing students (of any race) drags down the performance of high performing students (of any race).

I certainly wouldn't argue there is much advantage to segregate prep services. Frankly, I don't believe there is any advantage of prep school in general.

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Your kids won't be supporting me in old age. Mine will. They're my priority, other kids come last.

Why are you planning in advance to be a burden to your children in your old age? How about working hard and saving and investing now so you can give your adult children the gift of not having to worry about you as you age?

Sure, bad things can happen and anyone can become dependent on their children, but I don’t understand why someone would deliberately plan in advance to be a burden to others. That seems irresponsible, a character trait we certainly don’t want our children to learn.

DP

You invest in different ways.

One way is to fight for other people's children, and give your money to others, outside of your bloodline, and make them rich/er.

The other way to invest, is in your kids. Invest time and money in your kids, and help them grow better, while expecting their help in later years. Their help doesn't mean that they have to carry you on their shoulders. It can be, but not necessarily.

The problem with most of you people who fight for this equity issue, is that you didn't get the right care from your own families, and are trying to oblige society to take care of you.

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for the scientific studies showing that students benefit from diversity in the classroom.

Well Curie is apparently 99% Indian and they managed to get 28% of the slots for TJ. That’s one data point.

As has been thoroughly discussed and sourced in other threads, Curie has privileged access to the "math" exam. Unless your aim is to paint Indian families as condoning cheating, this isn't a statistic I would cite.

My comment has nothing to do with Indians. My comment was to the SJW who insists that basically a lack of tracking is good for everyone. The SJW has repeatedly stated that there are many scientific studies demonstrating that diversity benefits all groups in the classroom. Low performing students (of any race) drags down the performance of high performing students (of any race).

I certainly wouldn't argue there is much advantage to segregate prep services. Frankly, I don't believe there is any advantage of prep school in general.

If you see no advantage to prep services, how do you explain that Curie has 28% of the incoming freshman class for TJ?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for the scientific studies showing that students benefit from diversity in the classroom.

Well Curie is apparently 99% Indian and they managed to get 28% of the slots for TJ. That’s one data point.

As has been thoroughly discussed and sourced in other threads, Curie has privileged access to the "math" exam. Unless your aim is to paint Indian families as condoning cheating, this isn't a statistic I would cite.

My comment has nothing to do with Indians. My comment was to the SJW who insists that basically a lack of tracking is good for everyone. The SJW has repeatedly stated that there are many scientific studies demonstrating that diversity benefits all groups in the classroom. Low performing students (of any race) drags down the performance of high performing students (of any race).

I certainly wouldn't argue there is much advantage to segregate prep services. Frankly, I don't believe there is any advantage of prep school in general.

If you see no advantage to prep services, how do you explain that Curie has 28% of the incoming freshman class for TJ?

They are cheaters. Thats how.

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for the scientific studies showing that students benefit from diversity in the classroom.

Well Curie is apparently 99% Indian and they managed to get 28% of the slots for TJ. That’s one data point.

As has been thoroughly discussed and sourced in other threads, Curie has privileged access to the "math" exam. Unless your aim is to paint Indian families as condoning cheating, this isn't a statistic I would cite.

My comment has nothing to do with Indians. My comment was to the SJW who insists that basically a lack of tracking is good for everyone. The SJW has repeatedly stated that there are many scientific studies demonstrating that diversity benefits all groups in the classroom. Low performing students (of any race) drags down the performance of high performing students (of any race).

I certainly wouldn't argue there is much advantage to segregate prep services. Frankly, I don't believe there is any advantage of prep school in general.

If you see no advantage to prep services, how do you explain that Curie has 28% of the incoming freshman class for TJ?

I assume you are just deflecting from just admitting that you have no evidence.

Not that I care, you would have to look at Curie's success rate relative to other prep services and no prep at all. The 28% figure by itself. My kids didn't have any problems getting into TJ without prep. Perhaps it is because they understand simple math and logic. Or they could be cheating. That would still not be particularly relevant to me.

Anyway, answer the question or admit you are full of crap.

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I meant to say the 28% by itself means nothing.