US soccer rumors of changing back age groups?

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Anonymous wrote:Playing with your grade makes sense. I think it would keep more kids involved in competitive soccer. It is a fact that some athletic kids move on to other sports from lost opportunity. My daughter is young in the ulittles, her best friend is dying to play with her and can't because they are born different years. She is doing rec instead and another sport more competitive. I'm not saying this girl is the next Alex Morgan, or even that she won't end up in travel down the road, but thousands and thousands of these small examples add up for impact on participation. I personally quit soccer way back and moved on to other sports because I couldn't play travel with my grade. I missed the cutoff by a few days. I was able to play other sports with my friends and got more into those. I was nothing special, but again, all these things add up.

The biggest problem to that, however, is that states have different cutoffs. September 1 is by far the most common with some more earlier/later in August or September. Very few, most notably pockets around NY, use calendar year. There's no perfect answer but I say pick something that works for the most people and maybe give a 30-day buffer for an outlier based on that jurisdictions cutoff. Are we really gonna be up in arms if a girl born August 15 plays because that state has August 1st? This really only screws the calendar year school districts, which are a small minority. I have no good solution for that.

For me, the "play with schoolmates" issue is very short-sighted. Yes, there "could" be friends on the same team, but my DD plays on a team with 18 girls and none attend to her school, yes even those in same grade. They come from all over. Think if you live in a dense county or DC even, chances are you live in same MS or HS district will be very rare.

This may be true for megaclubs and older ages, but this is about participation as a whole. In a lot of the country and with smaller clubs, a lot of soccer IS where many of the kids go to school together, or a cluster of schools where people know each other in that town. Kids coming from all over is not the norm for the masses and most of the country. If a change is made, it is to get more little kids into soccer and more to stick with it as they hit the teenage years. The bigger picture is very different than your DDs type of team, albeit many on here also have kids on that type of team.

So, crux is, there is no 'on field' benefit, just to each their own. Blow up clubs - again - for one reason that doesn't benefit a majority. I could easily say then play HS ball and let mega clubs, with girls and boys with aspirations of college and beyond, compete based on the international standard. Likely, US Soccer could make any rules for <U13 and then start playing by "the rules" come U13. Either way, you're blowing up mega teams and competitive teams for those who would "like" to have friends on the team. About as selfish as a reason ever.

Once you enter competitive soccer there is no guarantee that you can play "with friends". Selection is based on coaching decisions and player level. The play with friends is very possible at the recreational level. Recreation leagues are not required to be run by birth year and I believe a few still run it by school year. Like PP said, you could always play together again in high school but again coaching decision and player level comes into play.

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Anonymous wrote:Playing with your grade makes sense. I think it would keep more kids involved in competitive soccer. It is a fact that some athletic kids move on to other sports from lost opportunity. My daughter is young in the ulittles, her best friend is dying to play with her and can't because they are born different years. She is doing rec instead and another sport more competitive. I'm not saying this girl is the next Alex Morgan, or even that she won't end up in travel down the road, but thousands and thousands of these small examples add up for impact on participation. I personally quit soccer way back and moved on to other sports because I couldn't play travel with my grade. I missed the cutoff by a few days. I was able to play other sports with my friends and got more into those. I was nothing special, but again, all these things add up.

The biggest problem to that, however, is that states have different cutoffs. September 1 is by far the most common with some more earlier/later in August or September. Very few, most notably pockets around NY, use calendar year. There's no perfect answer but I say pick something that works for the most people and maybe give a 30-day buffer for an outlier based on that jurisdictions cutoff. Are we really gonna be up in arms if a girl born August 15 plays because that state has August 1st? This really only screws the calendar year school districts, which are a small minority. I have no good solution for that.

For me, the "play with schoolmates" issue is very short-sighted. Yes, there "could" be friends on the same team, but my DD plays on a team with 18 girls and none attend to her school, yes even those in same grade. They come from all over. Think if you live in a dense county or DC even, chances are you live in same MS or HS district will be very rare.

This may be true for megaclubs and older ages, but this is about participation as a whole. In a lot of the country and with smaller clubs, a lot of soccer IS where many of the kids go to school together, or a cluster of schools where people know each other in that town. Kids coming from all over is not the norm for the masses and most of the country. If a change is made, it is to get more little kids into soccer and more to stick with it as they hit the teenage years. The bigger picture is very different than your DDs type of team, albeit many on here also have kids on that type of team.

So, crux is, there is no 'on field' benefit, just to each their own. Blow up clubs - again - for one reason that doesn't benefit a majority. I could easily say then play HS ball and let mega clubs, with girls and boys with aspirations of college and beyond, compete based on the international standard. Likely, US Soccer could make any rules for <U13 and then start playing by "the rules" come U13. Either way, you're blowing up mega teams and competitive teams for those who would "like" to have friends on the team. About as selfish as a reason ever.

I'd actually argue that to harp on about a tiny percentage of elite, older teams at the expense of encouraging greater participation for hundreds of thousands or millions of kids across the country is about as selfish as it gets.

Not even a "tiny percentage". Who plays college? D1-D3, NAIA, etc. Wanna play with friends, then you have ALL of HS to play, which isn't based on CY birth. Why can't you do that?

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Anonymous wrote:Playing with your grade makes sense. I think it would keep more kids involved in competitive soccer. It is a fact that some athletic kids move on to other sports from lost opportunity. My daughter is young in the ulittles, her best friend is dying to play with her and can't because they are born different years. She is doing rec instead and another sport more competitive. I'm not saying this girl is the next Alex Morgan, or even that she won't end up in travel down the road, but thousands and thousands of these small examples add up for impact on participation. I personally quit soccer way back and moved on to other sports because I couldn't play travel with my grade. I missed the cutoff by a few days. I was able to play other sports with my friends and got more into those. I was nothing special, but again, all these things add up.

The biggest problem to that, however, is that states have different cutoffs. September 1 is by far the most common with some more earlier/later in August or September. Very few, most notably pockets around NY, use calendar year. There's no perfect answer but I say pick something that works for the most people and maybe give a 30-day buffer for an outlier based on that jurisdictions cutoff. Are we really gonna be up in arms if a girl born August 15 plays because that state has August 1st? This really only screws the calendar year school districts, which are a small minority. I have no good solution for that.

For me, the "play with schoolmates" issue is very short-sighted. Yes, there "could" be friends on the same team, but my DD plays on a team with 18 girls and none attend to her school, yes even those in same grade. They come from all over. Think if you live in a dense county or DC even, chances are you live in same MS or HS district will be very rare.

This may be true for megaclubs and older ages, but this is about participation as a whole. In a lot of the country and with smaller clubs, a lot of soccer IS where many of the kids go to school together, or a cluster of schools where people know each other in that town. Kids coming from all over is not the norm for the masses and most of the country. If a change is made, it is to get more little kids into soccer and more to stick with it as they hit the teenage years. The bigger picture is very different than your DDs type of team, albeit many on here also have kids on that type of team.

So, crux is, there is no 'on field' benefit, just to each their own. Blow up clubs - again - for one reason that doesn't benefit a majority. I could easily say then play HS ball and let mega clubs, with girls and boys with aspirations of college and beyond, compete based on the international standard. Likely, US Soccer could make any rules for <U13 and then start playing by "the rules" come U13. Either way, you're blowing up mega teams and competitive teams for those who would "like" to have friends on the team. About as selfish as a reason ever.

I'd actually argue that to harp on about a tiny percentage of elite, older teams at the expense of encouraging greater participation for hundreds of thousands or millions of kids across the country is about as selfish as it gets.

Only reason kids play sports is because of friends? I dont think that is true.

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Does the fact that this thread was resurrected mean that there was some new movement by US Soccer?

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Might have been brought up in a presentation for a league that could have gained a lot of interest when DA shut down. Might not have.

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Once you enter competitive soccer there is no guarantee that you can play "with friends". Selection is based on coaching decisions and player level. The play with friends is very possible at the recreational level. Recreation leagues are not required to be run by birth year and I believe a few still run it by school year. Like PP said, you could always play together again in high school but again coaching decision and player level comes into play.

Yup. My son has a learning disability and was held back a year in school. Plays rec soccer with kids in his grade, travel soccer with kids in his birth year. Best of both worlds.

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Anonymous wrote:Playing with your grade makes sense. I think it would keep more kids involved in competitive soccer. It is a fact that some athletic kids move on to other sports from lost opportunity. My daughter is young in the ulittles, her best friend is dying to play with her and can't because they are born different years. She is doing rec instead and another sport more competitive. I'm not saying this girl is the next Alex Morgan, or even that she won't end up in travel down the road, but thousands and thousands of these small examples add up for impact on participation. I personally quit soccer way back and moved on to other sports because I couldn't play travel with my grade. I missed the cutoff by a few days. I was able to play other sports with my friends and got more into those. I was nothing special, but again, all these things add up.

The biggest problem to that, however, is that states have different cutoffs. September 1 is by far the most common with some more earlier/later in August or September. Very few, most notably pockets around NY, use calendar year. There's no perfect answer but I say pick something that works for the most people and maybe give a 30-day buffer for an outlier based on that jurisdictions cutoff. Are we really gonna be up in arms if a girl born August 15 plays because that state has August 1st? This really only screws the calendar year school districts, which are a small minority. I have no good solution for that.

For me, the "play with schoolmates" issue is very short-sighted. Yes, there "could" be friends on the same team, but my DD plays on a team with 18 girls and none attend to her school, yes even those in same grade. They come from all over. Think if you live in a dense county or DC even, chances are you live in same MS or HS district will be very rare.

This may be true for megaclubs and older ages, but this is about participation as a whole. In a lot of the country and with smaller clubs, a lot of soccer IS where many of the kids go to school together, or a cluster of schools where people know each other in that town. Kids coming from all over is not the norm for the masses and most of the country. If a change is made, it is to get more little kids into soccer and more to stick with it as they hit the teenage years. The bigger picture is very different than your DDs type of team, albeit many on here also have kids on that type of team.

So, crux is, there is no 'on field' benefit, just to each their own. Blow up clubs - again - for one reason that doesn't benefit a majority. I could easily say then play HS ball and let mega clubs, with girls and boys with aspirations of college and beyond, compete based on the international standard. Likely, US Soccer could make any rules for <U13 and then start playing by "the rules" come U13. Either way, you're blowing up mega teams and competitive teams for those who would "like" to have friends on the team. About as selfish as a reason ever.

I'd actually argue that to harp on about a tiny percentage of elite, older teams at the expense of encouraging greater participation for hundreds of thousands or millions of kids across the country is about as selfish as it gets.

Only reason kids play sports is because of friends? I dont think that is true.

Of course not only, but absolutely it encourages it. I used to coach my daughter's rec team and half the girls started out because they were friends with my daughter and/or parents knowing me. Absolutely positively a resounding "yes" that playing with friends is a big factor at the younger ages. Not the only, and not for all, but for sure a factor for many. Heck, a girl just joined my DDs ulittle travel team who is friends with another girl from school.

Again, not saying it is the only factor, and maybe there are good competitive reasons to keep birth year. But I honestly don't think it is even debatable that being able to play with your grade, and in turn friends, encourages participation. How MUCH it matters in the big picture who knows, but can anyone seriously argue that the birth year rule fosters BETTER youth participation than playing by grade?

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One of the suggestions is that kids will be more apt to play with their schoolmates than their teammates. YMMV, but it's being looked at as one way of keeping kids playing past the magic 13-year-old point where 75% of kids quit the game. They may be more likely to play with classmates they see on and off the field, rather than teammates they just see at practices and games.

I don't agree at all. My son is a U14 and his closest friends from school don't play soccer at all. He's made an entirely new group of friends through travel soccer, and it has worked out great.

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Anonymous wrote:Does the fact that this thread was resurrected mean that there was some new movement by US Soccer?

No, it's just the same poster that brings this up every 30 days. There's no movement to change the current Birth Year status.

[Anonymous]

playing by birth year encourages your child to branch out, make new friends, and develop social skills, and get out of their suburban bubble.

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Hey here is an idea. Change grade level to birth year at school. A standard Jan. 1 - Dec. 31 across the board. No more subjective dates dependent on schools decisions Just set everything a simple birth year for everything.

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Anonymous wrote:playing by birth year encourages your child to branch out, make new friends, and develop social skills, and get out of their suburban bubble.

Pretty dumb comment

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One of the suggestions is that kids will be more apt to play with their schoolmates than their teammates. YMMV, but it's being looked at as one way of keeping kids playing past the magic 13-year-old point where 75% of kids quit the game. They may be more likely to play with classmates they see on and off the field, rather than teammates they just see at practices and games.

I don't agree at all. My son is a U14 and his closest friends from school don't play soccer at all. He's made an entirely new group of friends through travel soccer, and it has worked out great.

Perhaps the kids from his school would still be playing if they were in school year.

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FWIW most countries use a Dec 31 cutoff for school instead of a fall cutoff, so teammates and classmates are generally the same age.

[Anonymous]

If you really want to even things out and diminish the result of RAE, we would split age groups into 6 month groups and not year groups.

Ie...

Jan-June 05
Jul-Dec 05

That would also double participation