ASFS/Key Swap Off . . .

[Anonymous]

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Are you saying that white UMC parents are telling the community that APS may just shutter a school at a time when enrollment is sky high? I have a hard time believing that if so.

Go listen to what the speakers before the school board in Spanish have said. They are not focused on the benefits of immersion, and why they want immersion. They are focused on why they want a school close to them. Listening to them, it is clear that they believe if immersion moves their kids will not be able to attend school in the Key bldg. The problem is the FARMS hispanic community is by and large not sold on the benefits of immersion. They care about proximity for sure. They care about having people in the front office and school workers who they can communicate with in Spanish. But the benefits of their kids learning to read in Spanish? That they are not sold on.

The wealthy spanish speaking expat community is very sold on the benefits of immersion- but they don't have the same hardships if the location moves, and there are not enough of them to provide a 50% native speaker ratio.

The white UMC parents who dominate the Key PTA etc- are sold on the benefits of immersion. They are also convinced that they 'need' the native speakers to make sure their kids get the maximum benefit from the immersion program. They are also the ones who are largely taking advantage of extended day, dropping kids and metro ing to work- etc. The location works very well for them. They know that those reasons are not compelling for leaving the school where it is- so they are attempting to rally the shrinking number of nearby hispanic families who do benefit from Key as an immersion school. But to get them to turn out- they are disguising the fact that if immersion moves those families would still be eligible to attend school at Key.

If they were really trying to look out for those families they would be focused on what Key immersion currently offers those families that could also be offered by the new neighborhood elementary school- e.g. bilingual school social workers, bilingual front office workers- and make sure that those things would continue. After all- as was previously pointed out up thread- there is more Spanish to be found on the Barrett PTA website than the Key PTA website, these type of things are not unique to Key.

That’s a deeply cynical analysis and paints with far too broad of a brush. Are you disgruntled about something?

MONA no likey when her hypocrisy is pointed out. It give MONA the sads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you saying that white UMC parents are telling the community that APS may just shutter a school at a time when enrollment is sky high? I have a hard time believing that if so.

Go listen to what the speakers before the school board in Spanish have said. They are not focused on the benefits of immersion, and why they want immersion. They are focused on why they want a school close to them. Listening to them, it is clear that they believe if immersion moves their kids will not be able to attend school in the Key bldg. The problem is the FARMS hispanic community is by and large not sold on the benefits of immersion. They care about proximity for sure. They care about having people in the front office and school workers who they can communicate with in Spanish. But the benefits of their kids learning to read in Spanish? That they are not sold on.

The wealthy spanish speaking expat community is very sold on the benefits of immersion- but they don't have the same hardships if the location moves, and there are not enough of them to provide a 50% native speaker ratio.

The white UMC parents who dominate the Key PTA etc- are sold on the benefits of immersion. They are also convinced that they 'need' the native speakers to make sure their kids get the maximum benefit from the immersion program. They are also the ones who are largely taking advantage of extended day, dropping kids and metro ing to work- etc. The location works very well for them. They know that those reasons are not compelling for leaving the school where it is- so they are attempting to rally the shrinking number of nearby hispanic families who do benefit from Key as an immersion school. But to get them to turn out- they are disguising the fact that if immersion moves those families would still be eligible to attend school at Key.

If they were really trying to look out for those families they would be focused on what Key immersion currently offers those families that could also be offered by the new neighborhood elementary school- e.g. bilingual school social workers, bilingual front office workers- and make sure that those things would continue. After all- as was previously pointed out up thread- there is more Spanish to be found on the Barrett PTA website than the Key PTA website, these type of things are not unique to Key.

I don’t buy the idea that group a is trying to fool group b into believing that their kids won’t be able to attend school in a specific building. That is just too easily disproven.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you saying that white UMC parents are telling the community that APS may just shutter a school at a time when enrollment is sky high? I have a hard time believing that if so.

Go listen to what the speakers before the school board in Spanish have said. They are not focused on the benefits of immersion, and why they want immersion. They are focused on why they want a school close to them. Listening to them, it is clear that they believe if immersion moves their kids will not be able to attend school in the Key bldg. The problem is the FARMS hispanic community is by and large not sold on the benefits of immersion. They care about proximity for sure. They care about having people in the front office and school workers who they can communicate with in Spanish. But the benefits of their kids learning to read in Spanish? That they are not sold on.

The wealthy spanish speaking expat community is very sold on the benefits of immersion- but they don't have the same hardships if the location moves, and there are not enough of them to provide a 50% native speaker ratio.

The white UMC parents who dominate the Key PTA etc- are sold on the benefits of immersion. They are also convinced that they 'need' the native speakers to make sure their kids get the maximum benefit from the immersion program. They are also the ones who are largely taking advantage of extended day, dropping kids and metro ing to work- etc. The location works very well for them. They know that those reasons are not compelling for leaving the school where it is- so they are attempting to rally the shrinking number of nearby hispanic families who do benefit from Key as an immersion school. But to get them to turn out- they are disguising the fact that if immersion moves those families would still be eligible to attend school at Key.

If they were really trying to look out for those families they would be focused on what Key immersion currently offers those families that could also be offered by the new neighborhood elementary school- e.g. bilingual school social workers, bilingual front office workers- and make sure that those things would continue. After all- as was previously pointed out up thread- there is more Spanish to be found on the Barrett PTA website than the Key PTA website, these type of things are not unique to Key.

I don’t buy the idea that group a is trying to fool group b into believing that their kids won’t be able to attend school in a specific building. That is just too easily disproven.

Working to fool? Probably not.
Working to make sure everyone understands? No.

[Anonymous]

I honestly don’t understand the 1435, 1445, or 1549 comments

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t understand the 1435, 1445, or 1549 comments

Good post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you saying that white UMC parents are telling the community that APS may just shutter a school at a time when enrollment is sky high? I have a hard time believing that if so.

Go listen to what the speakers before the school board in Spanish have said. They are not focused on the benefits of immersion, and why they want immersion. They are focused on why they want a school close to them. Listening to them, it is clear that they believe if immersion moves their kids will not be able to attend school in the Key bldg. The problem is the FARMS hispanic community is by and large not sold on the benefits of immersion. They care about proximity for sure. They care about having people in the front office and school workers who they can communicate with in Spanish. But the benefits of their kids learning to read in Spanish? That they are not sold on.

The wealthy spanish speaking expat community is very sold on the benefits of immersion- but they don't have the same hardships if the location moves, and there are not enough of them to provide a 50% native speaker ratio.

The white UMC parents who dominate the Key PTA etc- are sold on the benefits of immersion. They are also convinced that they 'need' the native speakers to make sure their kids get the maximum benefit from the immersion program. They are also the ones who are largely taking advantage of extended day, dropping kids and metro ing to work- etc. The location works very well for them. They know that those reasons are not compelling for leaving the school where it is- so they are attempting to rally the shrinking number of nearby hispanic families who do benefit from Key as an immersion school. But to get them to turn out- they are disguising the fact that if immersion moves those families would still be eligible to attend school at Key.

If they were really trying to look out for those families they would be focused on what Key immersion currently offers those families that could also be offered by the new neighborhood elementary school- e.g. bilingual school social workers, bilingual front office workers- and make sure that those things would continue. After all- as was previously pointed out up thread- there is more Spanish to be found on the Barrett PTA website than the Key PTA website, these type of things are not unique to Key.

I don’t buy the idea that group a is trying to fool group b into believing that their kids won’t be able to attend school in a specific building. That is just too easily disproven.

Working to fool? Probably not.
Working to make sure everyone understands? No.

And APS doesn't help-- if you go back and read the August memos and the Q&A with Key, APS basically supports this notion. The memos and APS' analysis are based on their (incorrect) assumption that everyone currently at Key would move with the Immersion program. When directly asked about this issue, APS punted and said it would be something they would look into later. But any fool who can read the transfer reports and do basic math knows that the ASFS/Key attendance zone had over 900 elementary aged kids in it last year--- almost 2/3 went to ASFS and 1/3 to Key (the rest to other schools). That means, if the swapped had happened, APS could have possibly had to try and fit all those kids in the Key building (with a preferred attendance of 750). Obviously they couldn't do that and they would have also had to redrawn boundaries to fix the overpopulated ASFS/Key zone-- but once they did that, it defeated APS' stated purpose for the swap, which was to keep the ASFS community together.

[Anonymous]

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I think that’s what PP meant, not a swap but moving Immersion to schools that are better situated to access the Latinx community, where they live now, and then redrawing boundaries accordingly. That would be moving towards equity. Making this option, and others, more accessible to the families who have the highest barriers to participation makes very good sense.

I think if we’re interested in lowering barriers, we want to add some immersion K classes at Barrett, not just swap one Latinx community for another, while replacing their neighborhood school with an option school. What most Spanish speakers want is pretty much what everyone else wants- a neighborhood school. Immersion has a rich history, strong support in the county, and seems to be in demand for both English and Spanish speakers. There is a sizeable Spanish speaking population in the Rosslyn/Courthouse/Clarendon area who have remained despite gentrification, who share the very same barriers to access, and have specifically asked that their school not be moved. A lottery is a barrier in and of itself, but that’s another topic.

So I think the whole “sizeable spanish speaking population in Rosslyn/Courthouse/Clarendon area” is one of the biggest pieces of misinformation from this whole swap conversation. The closest thing to a large spanish speaking population are the residents at Woodbury park (who were the ones quoted in that wash post article). There are I think around 100 kids at the planning unit, and over 50 of themgo to asfs currently. The extended day argument is bs because Woodbury park residents have an after school program in their building. It’s such fake news.
Even look at the key pta website. Not a word of spanish. Look at the Barrett pta website. It has a convert to spanish button, and their pta notes are in both spanish and English.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t move key, it’s obvious that the community is extremely attached to the location. But aps should look at having immersion classrooms in the majority Hispanic schools. Maybe get rid of having full immersion schools and have the model be instead immersion classrooms at several neighborhood schools.

Your assertion about the pta website and information there is FALSE. Note that information is provided in both languages.

[Anonymous]

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Your assertion about the pta website and information there is FALSE. Note that information is provided in both languages.

I'm not the one who originally posted this- but when you responded like that I went and looked at both websites-
Look at the KEY pta website- https://www.keypta.org/home
It's in English.
Look at the Barrett PTA website- https://www.kwbarrettpta.org/
There is a prominent button to click and the entire page is translated to Spanish instantly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Your assertion about the pta website and information there is FALSE. Note that information is provided in both languages.

I'm not the one who originally posted this- but when you responded like that I went and looked at both websites-
Look at the KEY pta website- https://www.keypta.org/home
It's in English.
Look at the Barrett PTA website- https://www.kwbarrettpta.org/
There is a prominent button to click and the entire page is translated to Spanish instantly.

BURN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Your assertion about the pta website and information there is FALSE. Note that information is provided in both languages.

I'm not the one who originally posted this- but when you responded like that I went and looked at both websites-
Look at the KEY pta website- https://www.keypta.org/home
It's in English.
Look at the Barrett PTA website- https://www.kwbarrettpta.org/
There is a prominent button to click and the entire page is translated to Spanish instantly.

BURN

Why are Key Enrichment activities cheaper vs other NA schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Your assertion about the pta website and information there is FALSE. Note that information is provided in both languages.

I'm not the one who originally posted this- but when you responded like that I went and looked at both websites-
Look at the KEY pta website- https://www.keypta.org/home
It's in English.
Look at the Barrett PTA website- https://www.kwbarrettpta.org/
There is a prominent button to click and the entire page is translated to Spanish instantly.

BURN

Holy cow, if any Key parents are reading this, you really should get a Spanish version of the PTA site up pronto. There's not a word of Spanish on there!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Your assertion about the pta website and information there is FALSE. Note that information is provided in both languages.

I'm not the one who originally posted this- but when you responded like that I went and looked at both websites-
Look at the KEY pta website- https://www.keypta.org/home
It's in English.
Look at the Barrett PTA website- https://www.kwbarrettpta.org/
There is a prominent button to click and the entire page is translated to Spanish instantly.

BURN

Why are Key Enrichment activities cheaper vs other NA schools?

Dunno. Why dont SA elementaries even offer these activities? Seek and you shall find.

[Anonymous]

Did any of you bother to click into the key pta website? All the materials are in Spanish and English. I do agree however that the first page of the website should have the Spanish translation under it. There should not be a separate Spanish website. The whole point is Spanish and English and the same time.

[Anonymous]

Some are translated, but not all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Your assertion about the pta website and information there is FALSE. Note that information is provided in both languages.

I'm not the one who originally posted this- but when you responded like that I went and looked at both websites-
Look at the KEY pta website- https://www.keypta.org/home
It's in English.
Look at the Barrett PTA website- https://www.kwbarrettpta.org/
There is a prominent button to click and the entire page is translated to Spanish instantly.

BURN

Holy cow, if any Key parents are reading this, you really should get a Spanish version of the PTA site up pronto. There's not a word of Spanish on there!

You sound moronic. The translations are there.