APS Superintendent High School Overcrowding Plan

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Anonymous wrote:Affordable housing has been used in Arlington for a very long time and has been successful. But at this point, it's becoming Manhattan-like: rich, poor, and nothing in the middle.

Is it that important for all the upper middle class types in Arlington to call themselves "rich"? There are a few rich people in condos in Rosslyn and a few pockets of 22207 but overall Arlington remains middle-brow. It's not even Bethesda, much less Manhattan.

Huh? Arlington has the highest HHI in the nation.

Arlington doesn't even have the highest HHIs in NoVa (FCC, Fairfax and Loudoun are all higher), much less the nation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affordable housing has been used in Arlington for a very long time and has been successful. But at this point, it's becoming Manhattan-like: rich, poor, and nothing in the middle.

Is it that important for all the upper middle class types in Arlington to call themselves "rich"? There are a few rich people in condos in Rosslyn and a few pockets of 22207 but overall Arlington remains middle-brow. It's not even Bethesda, much less Manhattan.

Huh? Arlington has the highest HHI in the nation.

Arlington doesn't even have the highest HHIs in NoVa (FCC, Fairfax and Loudoun are all higher), much less the nation.

https://www.arlnow.com/2013/09/23/arlington-1-nationwide-in-family-income/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affordable housing has been used in Arlington for a very long time and has been successful. But at this point, it's becoming Manhattan-like: rich, poor, and nothing in the middle.

Is it that important for all the upper middle class types in Arlington to call themselves "rich"? There are a few rich people in condos in Rosslyn and a few pockets of 22207 but overall Arlington remains middle-brow. It's not even Bethesda, much less Manhattan.

Huh? Arlington has the highest HHI in the nation.

Arlington doesn't even have the highest HHIs in NoVa (FCC, Fairfax and Loudoun are all higher), much less the nation.

https://www.arlnow.com/2013/09/23/arlington-1-nationwide-in-family-income/

Not about HHI. Learn to read.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affordable housing has been used in Arlington for a very long time and has been successful. But at this point, it's becoming Manhattan-like: rich, poor, and nothing in the middle.

Is it that important for all the upper middle class types in Arlington to call themselves "rich"? There are a few rich people in condos in Rosslyn and a few pockets of 22207 but overall Arlington remains middle-brow. It's not even Bethesda, much less Manhattan.

Huh? Arlington has the highest HHI in the nation.

Arlington doesn't even have the highest HHIs in NoVa (FCC, Fairfax and Loudoun are all higher), much less the nation.

https://www.arlnow.com/2013/09/23/arlington-1-nationwide-in-family-income/

Not about HHI. Learn to read.

NP. I can read, so I can also see in the article:

The census data differs from another commonly used ranking, median household income, which placed Arlington third in the nation, well behind Loudoun and Fairfax, based on 2011 data.

So as you can see, Arlington has the third highest HHI in the nation. I don't think PP, with assertion that it was highest in the nation, is that far off the mark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I predict that in 20 years, south Arlington will gentrify and the lower and middle classes will move out.

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Anonymous wrote:Affordable housing has been used in Arlington for a very long time and has been successful. But at this point, it's becoming Manhattan-like: rich, poor, and nothing in the middle.

Is it that important for all the upper middle class types in Arlington to call themselves "rich"? There are a few rich people in condos in Rosslyn and a few pockets of 22207 but overall Arlington remains middle-brow. It's not even Bethesda, much less Manhattan.

Huh? Arlington has the highest HHI in the nation.

Well my family is solidly middle class living in south Arlington. Its very clear that the only people matter on this side are the AH lobby.

Move to Chantilly or Ashburn.

How about the people who can't afford to live in Arlington move to Chantilly or Ashburn.

Gentrification means middle class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affordable housing has been used in Arlington for a very long time and has been successful. But at this point, it's becoming Manhattan-like: rich, poor, and nothing in the middle.

Is it that important for all the upper middle class types in Arlington to call themselves "rich"? There are a few rich people in condos in Rosslyn and a few pockets of 22207 but overall Arlington remains middle-brow. It's not even Bethesda, much less Manhattan.

Huh? Arlington has the highest HHI in the nation.

Arlington doesn't even have the highest HHIs in NoVa (FCC, Fairfax and Loudoun are all higher), much less the nation.

https://www.arlnow.com/2013/09/23/arlington-1-nationwide-in-family-income/

Not about HHI. Learn to read.

NP. I can read, so I can also see in the article:

The census data differs from another commonly used ranking, median household income, which placed Arlington third in the nation, well behind Loudoun and Fairfax, based on 2011 data.

So as you can see, Arlington has the third highest HHI in the nation. I don't think PP, with assertion that it was highest in the nation, is that far off the mark.

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[Anonymous]

Why the heck are you all resorting to such pettiness?? Overcrowding effects all of our children and you are fighting over nonsense. I think if you can't be civil to each other you all should leave Arlington. Ridiculous!!! F

[Anonymous]

Focus on the issue or get off the thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think I am going to send an email to both the school and county boards asking them to please, please, please work together to find the money to build a fourth full-size high school.

We know these kids are coming. They are in the system already. I don't want my kids doing flex scheduling or alternate days. And I don't want them attending a 3,000 kid high school. I want them to have a normal high school experience.

Raise our taxes if you need to. But don't pass a plan that basically throws up its hands for 1,500 kids who won't have high school seats. The time to buy land is NOW, not 10 years from now.

I attended a high school with over 3,000 kids. That's not unusually large. 4,000 would be pushing it though.

I attended a high school with over 4,000 kids- it was a completely normal high school experience. My graduating class was just shy of 1,000 people.

It was fine- yes, it was harder to make some sports teams, etc, but on the other hand, there were more sports, clubs, choirs, bands and activities to choose from. Most of the club teams took anyone that wanted to participate. My school offered more AP options and electives than most of the neighboring schools. I'm still in touch with two of my teachers, 25-ish years later. It was my experience that everyone found their niche.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I am going to send an email to both the school and county boards asking them to please, please, please work together to find the money to build a fourth full-size high school.

We know these kids are coming. They are in the system already. I don't want my kids doing flex scheduling or alternate days. And I don't want them attending a 3,000 kid high school. I want them to have a normal high school experience.

Raise our taxes if you need to. But don't pass a plan that basically throws up its hands for 1,500 kids who won't have high school seats. The time to buy land is NOW, not 10 years from now.

I attended a high school with over 3,000 kids. That's not unusually large. 4,000 would be pushing it though.

I attended a high school with over 4,000 kids- it was a completely normal high school experience. My graduating class was just shy of 1,000 people.

It was fine- yes, it was harder to make some sports teams, etc, but on the other hand, there were more sports, clubs, choirs, bands and activities to choose from. Most of the club teams took anyone that wanted to participate. My school offered more AP options and electives than most of the neighboring schools. I'm still in touch with two of my teachers, 25-ish years later. It was my experience that everyone found their niche.

+1 Same here.

[Anonymous]

How is the SB getting these forecasting numbers? The county plans to build 17k new affordable housing units, mostly family and mostly on south arlington, by 2025. None of the projections in the CIP reflect that. The county has already approved 250 units, with 750 more to come, I the very north part of the abingdon boundary. That will all be done within 10 years and they project abingdon will not be overcrowded even with the addition?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is the SB getting these forecasting numbers? The county plans to build 17k new affordable housing units, mostly family and mostly on south arlington, by 2025. None of the projections in the CIP reflect that. The county has already approved 250 units, with 750 more to come, I the very north part of the abingdon boundary. That will all be done within 10 years and they project abingdon will not be overcrowded even with the addition?

17k units?


Don't you mean 17%?
I think you mean 17%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is the SB getting these forecasting numbers? The county plans to build 17k new affordable housing units, mostly family and mostly on south arlington, by 2025. None of the projections in the CIP reflect that. The county has already approved 250 units, with 750 more to come, I the very north part of the abingdon boundary. That will all be done within 10 years and they project abingdon will not be overcrowded even with the addition?

APS posts their projections online.

Here is the projection itself out to 2025
http://www.apsva.us/cms/lib2/VA01000586/Centricity/Domain/110/G-2%20Supt%20Proposed%20CIP%20PPT%20Presentation.pdf

This explains some of the methodology
http://www.apsva.us/Page/1106

I'm not sure if their methodology includes the Affordable Housing Master Plan in its projections. I think they MIGHT be, as part of the projections are based on planned housing projects up to 10 years out:

- “Recently completed residential housing units” (from October 1st of last school year thru September 30th of the current school year) were phased in Year 1 and Year 2 of the projections;
- “Residential development projects currently under construction” were phased in Year 3, Year 4 and Year 5; and
- Residential development projects that are "approved by the County but not yet under construction" were phased in Years 6 thru 10.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I am going to send an email to both the school and county boards asking them to please, please, please work together to find the money to build a fourth full-size high school.

We know these kids are coming. They are in the system already. I don't want my kids doing flex scheduling or alternate days. And I don't want them attending a 3,000 kid high school. I want them to have a normal high school experience.

Raise our taxes if you need to. But don't pass a plan that basically throws up its hands for 1,500 kids who won't have high school seats. The time to buy land is NOW, not 10 years from now.

I attended a high school with over 3,000 kids. That's not unusually large. 4,000 would be pushing it though.

Can you tell us what state that was? Were they able to fit in 1 building or did you also use trailers ? Was it harder to make sports teams? TIA.

I grew up in Oak Park west of Chicago. There were tons of sports and activities, and I don't recall that making sports teams was a problem. The school building was and is huge. In-laws live in Fairfax county where schools are similarly large. I'm more worried about class size, staffing, and having adequate buildings whatever the size of the high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I am going to send an email to both the school and county boards asking them to please, please, please work together to find the money to build a fourth full-size high school.

We know these kids are coming. They are in the system already. I don't want my kids doing flex scheduling or alternate days. And I don't want them attending a 3,000 kid high school. I want them to have a normal high school experience.

Raise our taxes if you need to. But don't pass a plan that basically throws up its hands for 1,500 kids who won't have high school seats. The time to buy land is NOW, not 10 years from now.

I attended a high school with over 3,000 kids. That's not unusually large. 4,000 would be pushing it though.

Can you tell us what state that was? Were they able to fit in 1 building or did you also use trailers ? Was it harder to make sports teams? TIA.

I grew up in Oak Park west of Chicago. There were tons of sports and activities, and I don't recall that making sports teams was a problem. The school building was and is huge. In-laws live in Fairfax county where schools are similarly large. I'm more worried about class size, staffing, and having adequate buildings whatever the size of the high schools.

The recent battle to fund FCPS's budget demonstrated that Fairfax has a school superintendent and a School Board who'll fight for extra funding. I don't see that coming from Murphy, who seems like he twiddled his thumbs and waits for someone else to come to the rescue. And with all the people in Arlington who seem to view school-age children as a cost and a nuisance, I'm not holding my breathe much longer.