Achievement gap continues to grow between high- and low-income schools

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There's no question but that MCPS is losing white students at a faster rate now than any other school district in the region. It makes the idea of shuffling their dwindling stock around MCPS to somehow promote greater diversity a truly ridiculous exercise.

Actually, there are plenty of questions. Starting with: how do you define "losing white students"? I'd also love to see your analysis, and the data you used for it.

I've lived in MoCo for almost 40 years and raised my 3 kids here. If you don't believe MoCo is changing, either you are in denial or simply not informed.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo will be like PG in 20 years. Whites are going (or gone already) and once education goes down, Asians will leave also.

Agree. 15 years.

Go where?

Not to mention that people who say this have probably never once set foot in Prince George's County.

Hey troll, any other hypotheticals to throw out here?

As they are now, they will stay in DC, go to virginia or go anywhere for privates where they're not overpaying for a dismal school district. MoCo property is driven by commuting time and school quality. The latter is in a death spiral while taxes are on a tear.

Whom are you calling a troll, and why?

At the moment, "they" are not going to Virginia. Enrollment in MCPS is at record levels. And have you ever set foot in Prince George's County?.

Record levels because we are the #2 location for illegal aliens in the ENTIRE country. #2, right behind Los Angeles. The rich send their kids to private around here anyway.

Do you have a link for that? I'd be interested to see how they calculated that.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-07-01/news/bs-ed-0630-illegals-maryland-best-let20110630_1_illegal-aliens-legal-status-sanctuary-state

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/30/Feds-Sending-Illegals-to-Maryland-Sanctuary-County

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/30/border-crisis-fuels-surge-immigrant-enrollment-mon/

http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/MarylandCost_rev4.pdf

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https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/november-28-2012/montgomery-county-md-aids-illegal-aliens-seeking-executive-amnesty.html

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2012/11/county-spends-100k-to-help-illegal-aliens-with-immigration-forms/

http://www.examiner.com/article/maryland-county-wants-to-remain-a-sanctuary-for-illegal-aliens

http://blueridgeforum.com/?p=2104

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There's no question but that MCPS is losing white students at a faster rate now than any other school district in the region. It makes the idea of shuffling their dwindling stock around MCPS to somehow promote greater diversity a truly ridiculous exercise.

Actually, there are plenty of questions. Starting with: how do you define "losing white students"? I'd also love to see your analysis, and the data you used for it.

Compare:

http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2013/OfficialEnrollmentSuppressed20130930.pdf

http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2008/OfficialEnrollment2009.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo will be like PG in 20 years. Whites are going (or gone already) and once education goes down, Asians will leave also.

Agree. 15 years.

Go where?

Not to mention that people who say this have probably never once set foot in Prince George's County.

Hey troll, any other hypotheticals to throw out here?

As they are now, they will stay in DC, go to virginia or go anywhere for privates where they're not overpaying for a dismal school district. MoCo property is driven by commuting time and school quality. The latter is in a death spiral while taxes are on a tear.

Whom are you calling a troll, and why?

At the moment, "they" are not going to Virginia. Enrollment in MCPS is at record levels. And have you ever set foot in Prince George's County?.

Record levels because we are the #2 location for illegal aliens in the ENTIRE country. #2, right behind Los Angeles. The rich send their kids to private around here anyway.

Do you have a link for that? I'd be interested to see how they calculated that.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-07-01/news/bs-ed-0630-illegals-maryland-best-let20110630_1_illegal-aliens-legal-status-sanctuary-state

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/30/Feds-Sending-Illegals-to-Maryland-Sanctuary-County

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/30/border-crisis-fuels-surge-immigrant-enrollment-mon/

http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/MarylandCost_rev4.pdf

Thanks.

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Wtf are these links, tldr analysis needed

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf are these links, tldr analysis needed

Go do your own analysis. Can't you read simple data?

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Why don't they bus lower-income kids to the W schools the way they do (a few handfuls of kids anyway) to BCC and a few others?

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo will be like PG in 20 years. Whites are going (or gone already) and once education goes down, Asians will leave also.

Agree. 15 years.

Go where?

Not to mention that people who say this have probably never once set foot in Prince George's County.

Hey troll, any other hypotheticals to throw out here?

As they are now, they will stay in DC, go to virginia or go anywhere for privates where they're not overpaying for a dismal school district. MoCo property is driven by commuting time and school quality. The latter is in a death spiral while taxes are on a tear.

Whom are you calling a troll, and why?

At the moment, "they" are not going to Virginia. Enrollment in MCPS is at record levels. And have you ever set foot in Prince George's County?.

Record levels because we are the #2 location for illegal aliens in the ENTIRE country. #2, right behind Los Angeles. The rich send their kids to private around here anyway.

Do you have a link for that? I'd be interested to see how they calculated that.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-07-01/news/bs-ed-0630-illegals-maryland-best-let20110630_1_illegal-aliens-legal-status-sanctuary-state

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/30/Feds-Sending-Illegals-to-Maryland-Sanctuary-County

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/30/border-crisis-fuels-surge-immigrant-enrollment-mon/

http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/MarylandCost_rev4.pdf

Thanks.

Those links are outdated, factually incorrect, and/or op/ed pieces. There is no data.

I'm not saying MoCo isn't a sanctuary, just that those links don't provide any data or support for that premise.

For example, the feds aren't sending large groups of people here. There is no "flood" of unaccompanied minors in the school system. They are here, and we get more, but the numbers are more like 150 in a school system of 150,000. That's not a flood. There is no holding facility here, either.

We do, in fact, participate in Secure Communties. And we have, for at least 5 years, reported everyone charged with felonies to ICE, Secure Communities now makes all jurisdictions report everyone, including those arrested for minor traffic offenses. And MoCo does that too.

I don't know what CAIR does with respect to getting people jobs, but CAIR can't make employers break the law and fail to confirm legal immigration status. Do we have a bunch of undocumented workers at day labor sites with ITINs instead of social security numbers. Highly likely. But I don't think there are many (hopefully not any) working for Lockheed Martin, etc. where employment law requires checking their status.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't they bus lower-income kids to the W schools the way they do (a few handfuls of kids anyway) to BCC and a few others?

Because parents don't want their kids sitting on the bus 2 hours a day? Also, busing has been tried elsewhere and does not work.

"By the early 1990s, some of the most vocal critics of mandatory busing were African Americans, including the charismatic John H. Stanford (1938-1998), superintendent of Seattle schools from 1995 to 1998. In a key presentation to the School Board in November 1995, Stanford said the data showed that low-income students who attended schools outside their neighborhoods scored lower on achievement tests than low-income students in neighborhood schools."

http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=3939

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't they bus lower-income kids to the W schools the way they do (a few handfuls of kids anyway) to BCC and a few others?

Why don't you rent a bus and drive a bunch of charity cases on the beltway during rush hours to some overcapacitated school?
Clearly it would make you feel better. Ch 220 got zero results and so would you. Same poor test scores, same teenage pregnancy rates, same low college admittance rates, same HS low graduation rates, same low sat/act scores. Just higher taxes and less room for neighborhood kids.

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Anonymous wrote:The academic achievement gap between the different race groups, the gap between the red zone and green zone schools, and the gap between middle class kids ans FARM kids. Which gap concerns you the most? What if mcps starts a reverse magnet program? Busing the poorest neighborhood kids, the low 20% kid from a heavily Farm/ESOL school to a school in the green zone for ES level. The kids will have a choice of staying on for MS and HS.
The gap between the schools will be reduced immediately, the red zone school will have more resource for middle class kids, and the green zone kids will see kids whose primary concerns are not the P or I on their report cards, the poor kids will feel the pressure to study hard.

I wonder how the people in Bethesda/Potomac would react if MCPS proposed to do this.

And here lies the problem - for some reason, the county is dead set on keeping western MC snowflake village. The high income families appear to have much more influence that the middle class.

It's so strange to me that parents in high income schools would have a problem with a relatively small percentage of kids from a "poorer" area attending their school. No one is really going to flee Bethesda because a small percentage of the school population comes from outside Bethesda. Anyway, the reality at these poorer schools is that there is a decent amount of children from educated, upper middle class families who are zoned for those schools, but who attend private/parochial instead. So in a busing scenario based on school zones, I'm willing to bet there would be a fair amount of middle class kids included. Besides the fact that the perception that kids from low income families are somehow automatically trouble makers or a drain on resources is kind of bs. I think the problem is the critical mass of low income kids at some schools and high income kids at other schools. All to protect inflated property values? Everyone benefits from diversity.

Have you ever taken a look at the "at a glance sheets" at schools. The low test scores always come from hispanic and african americans. It is not racist. It is a fact. Even at W schools, the lowest scores are always those 2 minorities. It does not matter if you take half of them from one school and put them in a higher performing school and vice versa. Those kids will still perform lower than Asians and Whites. So you wanting to bus kids all over the over crowded MCPS to make a point actually makes no point. The fact is, the more lower scoring minorities move into a school the more likely the high performing kids/families are going to either 1. Relocate 2. Go to private/parochial. So trying to blend the schools perfectly to your liking will never work. And really, those focus schools need that "focus" component and to be able to teach those kids on a different level. There is already no tracking in school except for math. The teachers can only do so much if they have 30 kids of 2-4 grade level variations compared to 18 kids with 1-2 grade level variations. It isn't like MCPS is ignoring these low performing schools, they put a ton of money into them. Money that does not go to the higher performing schools. If families spent more time focusing on their child's education, values, community, school-involvement and less of pointing fingers and saying "not fair" then maybe those schools would be doing a lot better instead of failing. The school can only do so much with their 6hr time. What happens the other 18hrs is more important. [/quote]

This is exactly right. Schools shouldn't have to keep spending more and more money because people use school as daycare. If you aren't helping/encouraging and doing your part as a parent, you have no right to expect the school to do more

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There's no question but that MCPS is losing white students at a faster rate now than any other school district in the region. It makes the idea of shuffling their dwindling stock around MCPS to somehow promote greater diversity a truly ridiculous exercise.

Actually, there are plenty of questions. Starting with: how do you define "losing white students"? I'd also love to see your analysis, and the data you used for it.

Compare:

http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2013/OfficialEnrollmentSuppressed20130930.pdf

http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2008/OfficialEnrollment2009.pdf

I love how the liberals keep wanting "data." Even if you don't believe the clear and obvious data above, can't your just walk into your school, restaurants, grocery stores? MCPS had white/AA teens working in fast food, the malls and departments stores just 10+ yrs ago. It is a 180 turn around anymore. If I can find someone who speaks English, it is a miracle.

I agree with the poster asking how you define losing white students. There are fewer enrolled, but that doesn't mean they are intentionally leaving the system for any reason other than graduation. Maybe they are graduating and moving on, only to be replaced by younger minorities who enter kindergarten. That's a different picture than "white flight" from the system. White people aren't having as many white kids as they used to. The number of white births over the past 30 years has dropped by 15%.