Achievement gap continues to grow between high- and low-income schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo will be like PG in 20 years. Whites are going (or gone already) and once education goes down, Asians will leave also.

Agree. 15 years.

Go where?

Not to mention that people who say this have probably never once set foot in Prince George's County.

Hey troll, any other hypotheticals to throw out here?

As they are now, they will stay in DC, go to virginia or go anywhere for privates where they're not overpaying for a dismal school district. MoCo property is driven by commuting time and school quality. The latter is in a death spiral while taxes are on a tear.

Whom are you calling a troll, and why?

At the moment, "they" are not going to Virginia. Enrollment in MCPS is at record levels. And have you ever set foot in Prince George's County?.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo will be like PG in 20 years. Whites are going (or gone already) and once education goes down, Asians will leave also.

Agree. 15 years.

Go where?

Not to mention that people who say this have probably never once set foot in Prince George's County.

Hey troll, any other hypotheticals to throw out here?

As they are now, they will stay in DC, go to virginia or go anywhere for privates where they're not overpaying for a dismal school district. MoCo property is driven by commuting time and school quality. The latter is in a death spiral while taxes are on a tear.

Whom are you calling a troll, and why?

At the moment, "they" are not going to Virginia. Enrollment in MCPS is at record levels. And have you ever set foot in Prince George's County?.

Record levels because we are the #2 location for illegal aliens in the ENTIRE country. #2, right behind Los Angeles. The rich send their kids to private around here anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo will be like PG in 20 years. Whites are going (or gone already) and once education goes down, Asians will leave also.

Agree. 15 years.

Go where?

Not to mention that people who say this have probably never once set foot in Prince George's County.

Hey troll, any other hypotheticals to throw out here?

As they are now, they will stay in DC, go to virginia or go anywhere for privates where they're not overpaying for a dismal school district. MoCo property is driven by commuting time and school quality. The latter is in a death spiral while taxes are on a tear.

Whom are you calling a troll, and why?

At the moment, "they" are not going to Virginia. Enrollment in MCPS is at record levels. And have you ever set foot in Prince George's County?.

18:26 -- Think about what you said for a min... What do you think is driving that record enrollment? And who is paying? Do you really think its because high paying professionals with kids are moving to MoCo? If you can figure that out, you will also figure out why whites are moving out and soon Asians will follow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The academic achievement gap between the different race groups, the gap between the red zone and green zone schools, and the gap between middle class kids ans FARM kids. Which gap concerns you the most? What if mcps starts a reverse magnet program? Busing the poorest neighborhood kids, the low 20% kid from a heavily Farm/ESOL school to a school in the green zone for ES level. The kids will have a choice of staying on for MS and HS.
The gap between the schools will be reduced immediately, the red zone school will have more resource for middle class kids, and the green zone kids will see kids whose primary concerns are not the P or I on their report cards, the poor kids will feel the pressure to study hard.

I wonder how the people in Bethesda/Potomac would react if MCPS proposed to do this.

And here lies the problem - for some reason, the county is dead set on keeping western MC snowflake village. The high income families appear to have much more influence that the middle class.

It's so strange to me that parents in high income schools would have a problem with a relatively small percentage of kids from a "poorer" area attending their school. No one is really going to flee Bethesda because a small percentage of the school population comes from outside Bethesda. Anyway, the reality at these poorer schools is that there is a decent amount of children from educated, upper middle class families who are zoned for those schools, but who attend private/parochial instead. So in a busing scenario based on school zones, I'm willing to bet there would be a fair amount of middle class kids included. Besides the fact that the perception that kids from low income families are somehow automatically trouble makers or a drain on resources is kind of bs. I think the problem is the critical mass of low income kids at some schools and high income kids at other schools. All to protect inflated property values? Everyone benefits from diversity.

Curious: how do you choose which in-zone kids to boot out of the Bethesda/Potomac school? Because most of these schools are overcapacity with high class sizes, so unless you take kids out of their zoned schools, where will the extra space/resources come from? Title I?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo will be like PG in 20 years. Whites are going (or gone already) and once education goes down, Asians will leave also.

Agree. 15 years.

Go where?

Not to mention that people who say this have probably never once set foot in Prince George's County.

To Frederick and Howard.

Hell no. Who wants to live way out there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo will be like PG in 20 years. Whites are going (or gone already) and once education goes down, Asians will leave also.

Agree. 15 years.

Go where?

Not to mention that people who say this have probably never once set foot in Prince George's County.

Hey troll, any other hypotheticals to throw out here?

As they are now, they will stay in DC, go to virginia or go anywhere for privates where they're not overpaying for a dismal school district. MoCo property is driven by commuting time and school quality. The latter is in a death spiral while taxes are on a tear.

LOL. Live in DC to put the kids in DCPS and pay "lower" taxes? Do you know anything about property prices in neighborhoods where it is possible to attend a functioning DCPS school, or are you just talking out of your butt to stir fear? Please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo will be like PG in 20 years. Whites are going (or gone already) and once education goes down, Asians will leave also.

Agree. 15 years.

Go where?

Not to mention that people who say this have probably never once set foot in Prince George's County.

Hey troll, any other hypotheticals to throw out here?

As they are now, they will stay in DC, go to virginia or go anywhere for privates where they're not overpaying for a dismal school district. MoCo property is driven by commuting time and school quality. The latter is in a death spiral while taxes are on a tear.

Whom are you calling a troll, and why?

At the moment, "they" are not going to Virginia. Enrollment in MCPS is at record levels. And have you ever set foot in Prince George's County?.

There's no question but that MCPS is losing white students at a faster rate now than any other school district in the region. It makes the idea of shuffling their dwindling stock around MCPS to somehow promote greater diversity a truly ridiculous exercise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The academic achievement gap between the different race groups, the gap between the red zone and green zone schools, and the gap between middle class kids ans FARM kids. Which gap concerns you the most? What if mcps starts a reverse magnet program? Busing the poorest neighborhood kids, the low 20% kid from a heavily Farm/ESOL school to a school in the green zone for ES level. The kids will have a choice of staying on for MS and HS.
The gap between the schools will be reduced immediately, the red zone school will have more resource for middle class kids, and the green zone kids will see kids whose primary concerns are not the P or I on their report cards, the poor kids will feel the pressure to study hard.

I wonder how the people in Bethesda/Potomac would react if MCPS proposed to do this.

And here lies the problem - for some reason, the county is dead set on keeping western MC snowflake village. The high income families appear to have much more influence that the middle class.

It's so strange to me that parents in high income schools would have a problem with a relatively small percentage of kids from a "poorer" area attending their school. No one is really going to flee Bethesda because a small percentage of the school population comes from outside Bethesda. Anyway, the reality at these poorer schools is that there is a decent amount of children from educated, upper middle class families who are zoned for those schools, but who attend private/parochial instead. So in a busing scenario based on school zones, I'm willing to bet there would be a fair amount of middle class kids included. Besides the fact that the perception that kids from low income families are somehow automatically trouble makers or a drain on resources is kind of bs. I think the problem is the critical mass of low income kids at some schools and high income kids at other schools. All to protect inflated property values? Everyone benefits from diversity.

Have you ever taken a look at the "at a glance sheets" at schools. The low test scores always come from hispanic and african americans. It is not racist. It is a fact. Even at W schools, the lowest scores are always those 2 minorities. It does not matter if you take half of them from one school and put them in a higher performing school and vice versa. Those kids will still perform lower than Asians and Whites. So you wanting to bus kids all over the over crowded MCPS to make a point actually makes no point. The fact is, the more lower scoring minorities move into a school the more likely the high performing kids/families are going to either 1. Relocate 2. Go to private/parochial. So trying to blend the schools perfectly to your liking will never work. And really, those focus schools need that "focus" component and to be able to teach those kids on a different level. There is already no tracking in school except for math. The teachers can only do so much if they have 30 kids of 2-4 grade level variations compared to 18 kids with 1-2 grade level variations. It isn't like MCPS is ignoring these low performing schools, they put a ton of money into them. Money that does not go to the higher performing schools. If families spent more time focusing on their child's education, values, community, school-involvement and less of pointing fingers and saying "not fair" then maybe those schools would be doing a lot better instead of failing. The school can only do so much with their 6hr time. What happens the other 18hrs is more important.

[Anonymous]

But Asians will always perform higher than Whites.

[Anonymous]

00:18 - So, what's your point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo will be like PG in 20 years. Whites are going (or gone already) and once education goes down, Asians will leave also.

Agree. 15 years.

Go where?

Not to mention that people who say this have probably never once set foot in Prince George's County.

Hey troll, any other hypotheticals to throw out here?

As they are now, they will stay in DC, go to virginia or go anywhere for privates where they're not overpaying for a dismal school district. MoCo property is driven by commuting time and school quality. The latter is in a death spiral while taxes are on a tear.

LOL. Live in DC to put the kids in DCPS and pay "lower" taxes? Do you know anything about property prices in neighborhoods where it is possible to attend a functioning DCPS school, or are you just talking out of your butt to stir fear? Please.

MoCo has higher property tax rate and state+county income tax rates almost match that of DC.

And yes, we moved from AU Park to MoCo inside the beltway, we got a bigger, less old house with more land for less money per sq footage or acreage.
In retrospect, I wish we stayed in Woodley Park where we lived before kids and did private or charter school or Oyster.

Nowadays MoCo is too large a county and school district to serve any section of its increasingly diverse community well. Furthermore, its politicians/board's priorities and budgeting are naive and unsustainable.

[Anonymous]

Some folks move to potomac bc they can't find a house that fits their family in downtown silver spring. So they move farther out from DC and from
The diversity they crave, and it has nothing to do with running from FARMs schools. As one of those rare unicorns, I would gladly welcome apartment buildings in potomac. Don't paint everyone here with the same brush. It's not all McMansions on river road. And before you shake your head, know that if bands were redrawn and my kids were to go to Einstein instead of Churchill, with us being able to enjoy the bigger space we could afford out here, that would be a huge win-win in my book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo will be like PG in 20 years. Whites are going (or gone already) and once education goes down, Asians will leave also.

Agree. 15 years.

Go where?

Not to mention that people who say this have probably never once set foot in Prince George's County.

Hey troll, any other hypotheticals to throw out here?

As they are now, they will stay in DC, go to virginia or go anywhere for privates where they're not overpaying for a dismal school district. MoCo property is driven by commuting time and school quality. The latter is in a death spiral while taxes are on a tear.

Whom are you calling a troll, and why?

At the moment, "they" are not going to Virginia. Enrollment in MCPS is at record levels. And have you ever set foot in Prince George's County?.

Record levels because we are the #2 location for illegal aliens in the ENTIRE country. #2, right behind Los Angeles. The rich send their kids to private around here anyway.

Do you have a link for that? I'd be interested to see how they calculated that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There's no question but that MCPS is losing white students at a faster rate now than any other school district in the region. It makes the idea of shuffling their dwindling stock around MCPS to somehow promote greater diversity a truly ridiculous exercise.

Actually, there are plenty of questions. Starting with: how do you define "losing white students"? I'd also love to see your analysis, and the data you used for it.

[Anonymous]

Hypotheticals lady is baaaaack!