Will Maga just watch the sinking ship or admit they were wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:It will shock you, but most Republicans think that Democrats are far MORE corrupt than Trump and co. I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s true. Not most MAGA, most Republicans. Sure, Trump and Musk are self-dealing billionaires. And sure, a lot of the right wing grifters are selling supplements and stuff. But Republicans see a MILLION insider Dems on the take, a huge group of taxpayer looters, looting at scale for 50 years. “Trump is the most corrupt person ever” is a partisan talking point and a partisan belief. Most Republicans think the opposite. independents think the two parties are equally corrupt, with Dems slightly worse. Only Dems thing Trump and co are more corrupt than Dems

I can’t speak for all Independents, but while there is corruption everywhere, I find that Trump is more corrupt than both parties combined. Trump is in a league of his own and I think its terrible that the entire Republican party is backing his style and the inherent risk associated. I thought the same thing about Trump when he was a Democrat, which I am old enough to remember.

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So you’re a Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:It will shock you, but most Republicans think that Democrats are far MORE corrupt than Trump and co. I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s true. Not most MAGA, most Republicans. Sure, Trump and Musk are self-dealing billionaires. And sure, a lot of the right wing grifters are selling supplements and stuff. But Republicans see a MILLION insider Dems on the take, a huge group of taxpayer looters, looting at scale for 50 years. “Trump is the most corrupt person ever” is a partisan talking point and a partisan belief. Most Republicans think the opposite. independents think the two parties are equally corrupt, with Dems slightly worse. Only Dems thing Trump and co are more corrupt than Dems

I can’t speak for all Independents, but while there is corruption everywhere, I find that Trump is more corrupt than both parties combined. Trump is in a league of his own and I think its terrible that the entire Republican party is backing his style and the inherent risk associated. I thought the same thing about Trump when he was a Democrat, which I am old enough to remember.

+1000 Trump brought politics to a whole new level of awfulness. No one with at least half a brain will argue with that but let's not forget that Trump is a product of a two party political system that currently has two parties in states of weakness and dysfunction. We can and should get rid of that awful product asap but we'll still have the weakness and dysfunction that produced Trump to deal with.

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Anonymous wrote:It will shock you, but most Republicans think that Democrats are far MORE corrupt than Trump and co. I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s true. Not most MAGA, most Republicans. Sure, Trump and Musk are self-dealing billionaires. And sure, a lot of the right wing grifters are selling supplements and stuff. But Republicans see a MILLION insider Dems on the take, a huge group of taxpayer looters, looting at scale for 50 years. “Trump is the most corrupt person ever” is a partisan talking point and a partisan belief. Most Republicans think the opposite. independents think the two parties are equally corrupt, with Dems slightly worse. Only Dems thing Trump and co are more corrupt than Dems

Well you need to consider their sources of information. Plus republicans really can’t afford to be concerned about corruption anyway.

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Dems never push back on this. Remember how everyone said Kerry was a rich elite because he’d married into wealth, while everyone thought he was so folksy, BUT he owned a baseball team. He was filthy rich!

Kerry owned a baseball team?
I just remember he mangled the names of the Red Sox players with 'Manny Ortez' and couldn't get the answer he was being set up for regarding Pedro Martinez(Bush started the war but you need to send me in as the closer).

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Most of the MAGA supporters I know don’t even know the ship is sinking and in fact think the ship is on a tremendous fantastic course. Bigly.

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Anonymous wrote:The market dip is good because it allows more of us income-restricted individuals to buy in. Could I afford Tesla stock a few months ago at $475/share? Not really. I bought some the other day when it was $221.

I see this as a good thing. And Tesla is only going to go up now with Trump's endorsement.

If this is the state of your analysis, while not being able to afford to buy in at $475 while you can at $221, you really shouldn't be investing in individual stocks. Seriously.

I disagree. PP should borrow against his house and everything he loves to buy more Tesla. It's a sure win.

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Anonymous wrote:408 people traveled northward through the Darien Gap in February, the lowest number since November 2020.

Some curious dates there. I wonder what changed?

Historic rains and flooding? It was a harsh winter.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the MAGA supporters I know don’t even know the ship is sinking and in fact think the ship is on a tremendous fantastic course. Bigly.

They convinced themselves for years any day now the economy would implode from the corrupt liberals so they’re relieved they’re finally right

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Anonymous wrote:We’ll never win an election again. The next party to beat the Republicans will have a different name. We can’t drop any of our beliefs, no matter how unpopular. Trans, J6, no human is illegal, Republicans belong in prison, double masking kills germs, etc etc

Dems did not run on trans issues. J6 was a domestic terrorist attack and I’m astounded anyone would feel otherwise. And what is so objectionable about a human not being illegal? Why shouldn’t we expect our elected leaders to form immigration policy with some sense of decorum and moral responsibility. Talking about human beings in a derogatory manner is disgusting propaganda. No one is trying to put republicans in prison except for the J6-ers or anyone who committed a crime. No one is double masking. I haven’t worn a mask in years despite being a liberal. These are all such throw away stupid arguments for blaming dems for any of this.

You’re very comfortable with, and committed to, your political beliefs. The American public is less comfortable with them. You are astounded that anyone might disagree with you about Jan 6. And yet clearly most voters do. You think Americans have a moral responsibility toward invading illegal aliens. Most voters disagree with you. Democrats have a choice. They can stay pure, according to their latest shared beliefs. Or they can give the voters what they want, and win elections. They can’t do both.

Most voters don't disagree with J6. Where are you seeing that?

Most voters do not agree that the President fomented a domestic terrorist attack on our Democracy. That’s why they didn’t mind voting for him. Most didn’t pay any attention to the J6 committee. And most don’t even agree that 2020 was “the most secure and least suspicious election in American history.” A lot of assertions that we take as holy writ within our partisan circles…are disagreed with by the public.

First of all, Trump failed to garner 50% of the popular vote when running against a last minute replacement candidate who replaced a very unpopular incumbent and who also happened to be that unpopular incumbent's VP. Any normal/average GOP candidate would have secured 65% of the popular vote and 500 electoral votes.

Second of all, what we know for sure Trump did on J6 is ignore all pleas for his help for three hours while a mob of hundreds forcefully breached security at the US Capitol Building and chased our most prominent government officials to the basement while seeking to "hang" the American VP. While this was going on- Trump did nothing for three hours!!! This is why he couldn't even garner 50% of the popular vote when running against the most weakened and vulnerable POTUS election opponent in American history.

We can keep insisting that Trump is weak and that “everyone knows” he became a domestic terrorist insurrectionist on J6, but he’s been stronger than us for a decade, and our Jan6 hysteria seemed to turn independents away from US more than away from Trump. We may be right in our own minds but we’re nor right in the eyes of the voters.

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Anonymous wrote:It will shock you, but most Republicans think that Democrats are far MORE corrupt than Trump and co. I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s true. Not most MAGA, most Republicans. Sure, Trump and Musk are self-dealing billionaires. And sure, a lot of the right wing grifters are selling supplements and stuff. But Republicans see a MILLION insider Dems on the take, a huge group of taxpayer looters, looting at scale for 50 years. “Trump is the most corrupt person ever” is a partisan talking point and a partisan belief. Most Republicans think the opposite. independents think the two parties are equally corrupt, with Dems slightly worse. Only Dems thing Trump and co are more corrupt than Dems

Source, please?

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Anonymous wrote:408 people traveled northward through the Darien Gap in February, the lowest number since November 2020.

Some curious dates there. I wonder what changed?

Historic rains and flooding? It was a harsh winter.

Or they don't want to come to a fascist country.

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People who are not in power always think the people in power are corrupt. America has a huge anti government movement and that starts even before you get to the edge of the 13 original colonies. This isn't just the dems. It's a way of life hating government.
Targeted news has just made it all the worse. People like this have been brainwashed for generations that the dems don't know how to curb spending and only care about the urban voter. People keep telling the dems get behind what the majority thinks in some areas at least and pick a winning theme that represents the majority but they just keep picking minority issues so they start to identify with minorities more and more and the majority starts to feel like they aren't represented.
The other reason Trump was elected is because he's more known. His main campaign promise this time is that he's going to get rid of the illegals and people are willing to let him do just about anything for that result. Last term it was abortion and he delivered. This time it's immigrants and it was Bidens failure that he didn't understand this or understand that the public didn't want to see the government grow after covid.

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Anonymous wrote:100% of Democratic Senators just voted for it. Look it up. I’m sure they did it to thwart Trump, stand against hate, provoke bible beaters, etc, rather than out of any real desire to see Big Bertha breaking noses on the volleyball court, but they did it. Not a few wackos—every Democrat in the US Senate

Once again I'll explain this to the simpletons- Senators and POTUS candidates are two different things. There are zero good Senators in Congress. They all suck. This is old news. Our 2028 POTUS nominee won't be a Senator. I could care less about Senators voting against or for partisan garbage bills. I care about having a legitimate POTUS take office in January 2029.

I’m for that! But that person will have to either start a new party or helm an existing party. And if he or she is helming an old party, the voters will ask which of that party’s policies will change vs stay the same. Kamala got hurt by refusing to say. Can a silver-tongued-devil do better. Of course. But I still wonder what the winning formula is on this issue—affirm current Dem platform, change it, or evade the question. And by the way, it’s not just Congress. The executive branch under Biden was very committed to trans education, underage hormone treatment, underage surgery, etc for most of the term.

I’m guessing you’ll recommend evasion, since your response to the trans question is “a few wacko Congresspeople aren’t the President,” then “All Dem Senators aren’t the President.l. Uh, yes, I know. I’m just wondering what we’re going to say about the trans issues we have so far supported as a party to the voters who don’t support those issues. And to the LGBTQIA+ voters who will go to war over this if we try to tack to the center.

Biden is no longer a relevant influence on the party. No 2028 Dem or GOP POTUS candidate is going make "Trans" anything part of their political platforms. Get some fresh air and get over your obsession with this "trans" issue.

Dems just lost, in part due to this issue. Based on that fact, it’s silly to pooh pooh it, even if you consider the topic beneath you.

GOP surrogates will pound the Democrats to answer this question. And if Dems haven’t abandoned the current Dem Party platform, there will be plenty of videos of Big Berthas beating America’s daughters in sports, at times injuring them, and always freaking them out in the locker room. And stories of transwomen getting transferred to women’s prisons and raping their “fellow” women. And stories of drag queen story hours and transing activists in elementary schools.

Fancy centrist Dems don’t like admitting everything that goes on inside our big tent. But it does go on, and we have a choice how we address it. Your choice is clear—din’t change it, just pretend it doesn’t exist. We’ll see how effective that strategy turns out to be

Oh you two-bit pathetic 80 IQ fool. Dems lost in 2024 because they had an unfit and unpopular incumbent candidate back out of the race a month prior to the party convention. No incumbent party in American history could win in the 2024 election scenario the Dems had to deal with. If you think some silly identity issue pushed by the GOP was more of a factor in the 2024 election than the incumbent backing out of the race 3 months prior to election day, you have truly lived up to the two-bit pathetic 80 IQ fool title you have now been given.

You’re the low IQ fool. If Dems want to win elections, we need to look at all levers, including dropping unpopular policies. Your argument is that we don’t need to change anything because in an alternate universe we would have beaten Trump. You say that Biden and Harris, the two biggest vote getters BY FAR in Democratic Party history, were so much worse than our usual candidates that everything will just resolve itself with no need for introspection or change on our part. That’s a recipe for losing. Our job is not to explain away the 2024 loss to make ourselves feel better. Our job is to try to win in the future.

The party of trans folk, illegal immigration, and restoring DEI is going to have an uphill battle with the voters if we don’t make any changes to our policies. Any sign of that changing? No. Your advice is to keep the unpopular policies but have the candidate be evasive about our policies.

The process that produced the last 10 years of Democratic candidates is also going to have to change if we want better results. Any sign of change? Have the superdelegates and megadonors agreed to step back and hand things over to the voters? No.

We’re also not going to have Trump to run against next time. You keep asserting that any Republican could have beaten us this time. That might make us feel better about our past loss, but it’s not great news for next time. Will our party turn out in huge numbers to stop someone who ISN’T Trump? If anti-Trump hate wasn’t enough for us to beat Trump himself, it probably won’t be enough for us to beat a better Republican candidate.

Anything can happen, but refusing to consider the preferences of the voters is a way of handicapping ourselves. We’re not going to win with our old playbook and one hand tied behind our backs. We need to adjust. It’s low IQ to refuse to adjust.

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Anonymous wrote:It will shock you, but most Republicans think that Democrats are far MORE corrupt than Trump and co. I know it’s hard to believe, but it’s true. Not most MAGA, most Republicans. Sure, Trump and Musk are self-dealing billionaires. And sure, a lot of the right wing grifters are selling supplements and stuff. But Republicans see a MILLION insider Dems on the take, a huge group of taxpayer looters, looting at scale for 50 years. “Trump is the most corrupt person ever” is a partisan talking point and a partisan belief. Most Republicans think the opposite. independents think the two parties are equally corrupt, with Dems slightly worse. Only Dems thing Trump and co are more corrupt than Dems

Source, please?

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“Nearly eight in 10 Democrats and Republicans believe that corruption is a very or somewhat serious problem among presidents from the opposing party, and similar shares say the same about members of Congress from the other party. Only around one-quarter say corruption is a serious problem among presidents from their own party, and around one-third say so about members of Congress from their party.”

Our problem as upper middle class striver Democrats is that we assume that our partisan beliefs are just facts. Not only do we struggle to understand HOW anyone could disagree with our beliefs, we often aren’t even aware that they do! Shocking as it seems, most Republicans think Democrats are more corrupt than Trump and the Republicans.