WSJ Rankings 2025

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

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and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

+1 I'm from CA. Never heard of W&M till I moved here, and UVA was not on our radar, either. I knew that all states have a flagship univ, but UVA wasn't on a "known list".

Are you the same dipshit from CA that also brags about never hearing about Duke until moving East?

NP here. This thread is getting ridiculous. Can't we just accept that different people know (or don't know) different things and move on?

Sure, as long as folks stop flaunting their ignorance with pride.

No need to get so offended. Many people know the Ivy leagues, Stanford, MIT and then it kind of falls off. I didn’t know what Vanderbilt was either. I remember my BIL was considering Vanderbilt for med school and I had no idea where that was.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the whiners cannot explain away is why HPYSM did so well while so many other high brow schools did not. If the methodology is a complete sham or just random, HPYSM would not constitute half of the top 10. Further, other top universities and LACs make the top 10, top 20, and top 50. Again, this is not random. The head scratching and consternation is really around a set of “treasured” schools that didn’t perform well. Perhaps, it would be better to understand why those didn’t perform well instead of assailing the methodology.

As for the methodology, it is not primarily a survey. That’s just a weak way of dismissing the results. What people seem to struggle with most is the comparison of student outcomes to expectations. Expectations account for two things: the quality of the student body and the regional cost of living. So, a Williams or Amherst faces more headwinds than Kenyon. Yet, there is no guarantee that Kenyon will punch above its weight. What’s eye opening is that HPYSM have probably the highest expectations hurdle, and yet, they jumped it - big time! Claremont McKenna and Davidson also standout here. Take note.

Are you serious? All they needed to do was build this Frankenstein of a “study” from the bottom up, engineering the assumptions to ensure that none of the HYPSM institutions fell outside the Top 10 (knowing how hyper-fixated many are on this small group) to lend empty validity to their work for consumers like you.

DP. Yes, you're absolutely correct. We should definitely trust the random internet poster over the Brookings Institute, College Pulse, Statista, and Third Way. All of those are non-partisan and highly factual (from mediabiasfactcheck.com). Sorry, your claims of "empty validity" only emphasize your desperation to discredit rankings you don't agree with.

Arguing that Brookings Institute is non-partisan is all I needed to see.

Center-left bothers you? I like the way the WSJ, a center-right publication, uses a variety of sources. All highly respected, btw.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/brookings-institute/

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Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of 2 schools in the Top 10 (Babson, Claremont McKenna).

Guessing I can't afford those anyway.

You probably can’t. Babson is about $80k a year. Babson is also ranked among the top 100 most selective colleges in the U.S. by the U.S. News & World Report.

Some of you are so provincial.

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I do have to laugh at all the posters outraged because they've "never heard of Babson." It's a niche business school with a 22% acceptance rate.

It is a business only college that draws many international students who come from rich family businesses. The job outcomes are excellent. The college is small so the job placement for their student body is excellent.

Not every kid from UVA has an awesome job after graduation. My neighbor’s child majored in liberal arts from UPEnn and is home jobless. I’m sure if you compared Wharton to Babson, Wharton would win but not all of UPenn.

Since Babson is business only, it should only be compared to other business schools. This analysis compares business schools and shows Babson at 42 among schools with BBAs. Locally, it is behind UVA, Georgetown, William and Mary, and UMD despite being ahead of all of them in WSJ.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

I don't know what the Wall Street Journal is doing these days. Their Babson University rose 124 spots in two years to the 2nd spot. I do tend to pay attention to college rankings because I find it interesting. But this is the first I've ever heard of Bentley University, which is number 11 for the Wall Street Journal this year. And I'm aware they've conjured up some magical mathematical algorithm, but really, are we all to believe that San Jose State University (16) and UC Merced (18) are among the best 20 of the 5000+ universities in America?

I'm sure the Wall Street Journal is - perhaps - trying to measure something. What that might be is absolutely mystifying to readers.

DP. It’s not “mystifying” at all if you bothered to read this thread and the methodology that the WSJ provides. Basically, these rankings measure outcomes. And they prove that (for the most part) where you go to school does not determine your future success or earnings. I agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of 2 schools in the Top 10 (Babson, Claremont McKenna).

Guessing I can't afford those anyway.

You probably can’t. Babson is about $80k a year. Babson is also ranked among the top 100 most selective colleges in the U.S. by the U.S. News & World Report.

Some of you are so provincial.

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I do have to laugh at all the posters outraged because they've "never heard of Babson." It's a niche business school with a 22% acceptance rate.

It is a business only college that draws many international students who come from rich family businesses. The job outcomes are excellent. The college is small so the job placement for their student body is excellent.

Not every kid from UVA has an awesome job after graduation. My neighbor’s child majored in liberal arts from UPEnn and is home jobless. I’m sure if you compared Wharton to Babson, Wharton would win but not all of UPenn.

Since Babson is business only, it should only be compared to other business schools. This analysis compares business schools and shows Babson at 42 among schools with BBAs. Locally, it is behind UVA, Georgetown, William and Mary, and UMD despite being ahead of all of them in WSJ.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

The same way people here have never heard of Babson, I never heard of W&M. I didn’t even know W&M had a business major.

I’m not so concerned about rankings. All I know is that the kids from Babson are usually rich and have good jobs after graduation. The rich probably helped them more than the actual college. The school is known for entrepreneurship.

Considering there are like 5 threads per week on William & Mary, I find it hard to believe you have never heard of it unless you are also claiming this is the first time you have visited DCUM.

When I lived in Boston, I never heard of W&M. We are from NY.

I don’t want my kids to go to Babson or W&M. I was just commenting that Babson has strong outcomes. That is all. It is known for rich international students.

Frankly, that's insane. I'm from NE. W&M was commonly on the application list at my Greenwich, CT HS. Family in Boston all knew about it.

It's the 2nd oldest university in the nation for crying out loud. I tihnk it says more about posters than the actual school.

Found the parent who’s triggered that their kid’s school is not even in the top 50 on this ranking (or USNWR, come to think of it).
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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

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and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

Why are you double and tripling down on not knowing a pretty darn famous school? It's been listed as a top 50ish school in USNews since the 1990s.

Literally, you learn about it in history class considering Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe graduated from W&M.

Weird flex.

DP. Maybe let it go that W&M is not all that you continue to hype it up as?

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Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of 2 schools in the Top 10 (Babson, Claremont McKenna).

Guessing I can't afford those anyway.

You probably can’t. Babson is about $80k a year. Babson is also ranked among the top 100 most selective colleges in the U.S. by the U.S. News & World Report.

Some of you are so provincial.

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I do have to laugh at all the posters outraged because they've "never heard of Babson." It's a niche business school with a 22% acceptance rate.

It is a business only college that draws many international students who come from rich family businesses. The job outcomes are excellent. The college is small so the job placement for their student body is excellent.

Not every kid from UVA has an awesome job after graduation. My neighbor’s child majored in liberal arts from UPEnn and is home jobless. I’m sure if you compared Wharton to Babson, Wharton would win but not all of UPenn.

Since Babson is business only, it should only be compared to other business schools. This analysis compares business schools and shows Babson at 42 among schools with BBAs. Locally, it is behind UVA, Georgetown, William and Mary, and UMD despite being ahead of all of them in WSJ.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

I don't know what the Wall Street Journal is doing these days. Their Babson University rose 124 spots in two years to the 2nd spot. I do tend to pay attention to college rankings because I find it interesting. But this is the first I've ever heard of Bentley University, which is number 11 for the Wall Street Journal this year. And I'm aware they've conjured up some magical mathematical algorithm, but really, are we all to believe that San Jose State University (16) and UC Merced (18) are among the best 20 of the 5000+ universities in America?

I'm sure the Wall Street Journal is - perhaps - trying to measure something. What that might be is absolutely mystifying to readers.

DP. It’s not “mystifying” at all if you bothered to read this thread and the methodology that the WSJ provides. Basically, these rankings measure outcomes. And they prove that (for the most part) where you go to school does not determine your future success or earnings. I agree.

I wrote above that Babson has rich kids from family businesses. These kids came in already at home plate so it isn’t surprising that they have successful outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

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and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

Why are you double and tripling down on not knowing a pretty darn famous school? It's been listed as a top 50ish school in USNews since the 1990s.

Literally, you learn about it in history class considering Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe graduated from W&M.

Weird flex.

Not to mention a lyric in a classic Steely Dan song!!

DP. I'll triple down even though my son chose somewhere else.

W&M has been on the 'top public Ivy' list in the top 5 for DECADES. I remember reading about it and that list in 1988.

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Original list published in 1985
Public Ivy:
College of William & Mary (Williamsburg, Virginia)
Miami University (Oxford, Ohio)
University of California (applies to the campuses as of 1985: Berkeley, Los Angeles, San Diego, Irvine, Davis, Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz, and Riverside)
University of Michigan (Ann Arbor)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Vermont (Burlington)
University of Virginia (Charlottesville)

What a 'tarted list. Miami Ohio? Vermont? UC-Riverside?

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The people still relying on a silly designation from 1985 are truly sad. NO ONE says “public ivy” these days unless they are absolutely clueless about how cringeworthy that is.

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

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and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

+1 I'm from CA. Never heard of W&M till I moved here, and UVA was not on our radar, either. I knew that all states have a flagship univ, but UVA wasn't on a "known list".

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I’m also from CA and UVA was no different to us than say, UND or UNM.

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

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and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

+1 I'm from CA. Never heard of W&M till I moved here, and UVA was not on our radar, either. I knew that all states have a flagship univ, but UVA wasn't on a "known list".

Are you the same dipshit from CA that also brags about never hearing about Duke until moving East?

NP here. This thread is getting ridiculous. Can't we just accept that different people know (or don't know) different things and move on?

Sure, as long as folks stop flaunting their ignorance with pride.

Ok - and as long as people stop flaunting certain colleges as if they’re Harvard.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

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and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

Why are you double and tripling down on not knowing a pretty darn famous school? It's been listed as a top 50ish school in USNews since the 1990s.

Literally, you learn about it in history class considering Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe graduated from W&M.

Weird flex.

DP. Maybe let it go that W&M is not all that you continue to hype it up as?

I didn’t even know that uva was a good school. I would not know the difference between Ohio state or UVA.

People don’t go down to 50 on some paper list before the internet. I have no idea what ranking W&M is now either. I was looking at T20 back in the nineties. I have one kid in high school and he is also looking at T20 schools. UVA is the bottom of his list.

There is no reason for pp and others to get so bothered by people who don’t know about W&M. Many people also don’t know William, Swarthmore, Pomona, Claremont McKenna and other smaller excellent schools.

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

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and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

Why are you double and tripling down on not knowing a pretty darn famous school? It's been listed as a top 50ish school in USNews since the 1990s.

Literally, you learn about it in history class considering Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe graduated from W&M.

Weird flex.

Not to mention a lyric in a classic Steely Dan song!!

DP. I'll triple down even though my son chose somewhere else.

W&M has been on the 'top public Ivy' list in the top 5 for DECADES. I remember reading about it and that list in 1988.

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Original list published in 1985
Public Ivy:
College of William & Mary (Williamsburg, Virginia)
Miami University (Oxford, Ohio)
University of California (applies to the campuses as of 1985: Berkeley, Los Angeles, San Diego, Irvine, Davis, Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz, and Riverside)
University of Michigan (Ann Arbor)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Vermont (Burlington)
University of Virginia (Charlottesville)

What a 'tarted list. Miami Ohio? Vermont? UC-Riverside?

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The people still relying on a silly designation from 1985 are truly sad. NO ONE says “public ivy” these days unless they are absolutely clueless about how cringeworthy that is.

I have never heard of anyone saying public ivy in real life. I would feel embarrassed for that person if they did say it out loud in front of others.

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

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and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

+1 I'm from CA. Never heard of W&M till I moved here, and UVA was not on our radar, either. I knew that all states have a flagship univ, but UVA wasn't on a "known list".

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I’m also from CA and UVA was no different to us than say, UND or UNM.

I remember I knew a guy at MIT who went to UMD for undergrad. He was brilliant but he had some strange chip about going to UMD. He was always trying to tell others how good its honors college was and how he went there for some scholarship. It would have been better if he didn’t say anything. No one cared if he went to UMD or UVA or Arizona State.

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I like this ranking. Yes, show me schools with good outcomes!

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Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of 2 schools in the Top 10 (Babson, Claremont McKenna).

Guessing I can't afford those anyway.

You probably can’t. Babson is about $80k a year. Babson is also ranked among the top 100 most selective colleges in the U.S. by the U.S. News & World Report.

Some of you are so provincial.

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I do have to laugh at all the posters outraged because they've "never heard of Babson." It's a niche business school with a 22% acceptance rate.

It is a business only college that draws many international students who come from rich family businesses. The job outcomes are excellent. The college is small so the job placement for their student body is excellent.

Not every kid from UVA has an awesome job after graduation. My neighbor’s child majored in liberal arts from UPEnn and is home jobless. I’m sure if you compared Wharton to Babson, Wharton would win but not all of UPenn.

Since Babson is business only, it should only be compared to other business schools. This analysis compares business schools and shows Babson at 42 among schools with BBAs. Locally, it is behind UVA, Georgetown, William and Mary, and UMD despite being ahead of all of them in WSJ.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

The same way people here have never heard of Babson, I never heard of W&M. I didn’t even know W&M had a business major.

I’m not so concerned about rankings. All I know is that the kids from Babson are usually rich and have good jobs after graduation. The rich probably helped them more than the actual college. The school is known for entrepreneurship.

Considering there are like 5 threads per week on William & Mary, I find it hard to believe you have never heard of it unless you are also claiming this is the first time you have visited DCUM.

When I lived in Boston, I never heard of W&M. We are from NY.

I don’t want my kids to go to Babson or W&M. I was just commenting that Babson has strong outcomes. That is all. It is known for rich international students.

Frankly, that's insane. I'm from NE. W&M was commonly on the application list at my Greenwich, CT HS. Family in Boston all knew about it.

It's the 2nd oldest university in the nation for crying out loud. I tihnk it says more about posters than the actual school.

Found the parent who’s triggered that their kid’s school is not even in the top 50 on this ranking (or USNWR, come to think of it).
DP

Grew up near both Babson and Bentley. Have family that went to both. Both business schools. Babson has always had lots of wealthy connected students who come from families who have connections. Those kids were going to do well anyway because of those connections. Just like wealthy connected students at Harvard, Yale, University of Delaware or any other school are going to do. Bentley was similar but had more commuter and older students. My ex-in-law graduated from Bentley and their college essay had spelling and grammatical errors in it. They still cannot write but had family money and connections so they did fine.

These are business schools. Comparing them to Liberal Arts or pre-med schools or major research universities is ridiculous.

Also, I knew about William Mary. People who lived near Babson and Bentley knew about William and Mary. What sometimes they didn’t know was that it was a public university and not a private school.

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Anonymous wrote:WM was well known at my rural high school in the 80s in DE. I knew about it just from reading history books. Maybe watch more Jeopardy? "William & Mary has been a clue or answer more than 70 times during regular play rounds — including six times as a Daily Double clue."

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and it's always been in a clash with Harvard about getting the 'first university in the US' title. It was the first college to become a university.

Anyone savvy about colleges has heard of it. My lord! We heard of it in the Midwest in the 80s.

The College of William & Mary calls itself "the second-oldest institution of higher learning in the country", acknowledging Harvard's claim but adding that: "Harvard may have opened first, but William & Mary was already planned. Original 1619 plans for W&M called for a campus at Henrico." This refers to the College of Henricopolis or University of Henrico established by the Virginia Company near Richmond, Virginia. With respect to the title of first university in America, it makes the claim on its website that "in 1781, by uniting the faculties of law, medicine, and the arts, William & Mary became America's first true university."[ It also is the "First institution of higher education to have a law school, which made us the first college in the country to become a university (1779)".

Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale were organized on the plans of the English colleges which constitute the universities of Oxford and Cambridge.

Sorry, never heard of it before moving down here. I also knew just one person who went to UVA for undergraduate. I did not it was a good school until we moved to dc.

It is geographic. You only hear of a handful of top schools in an area. This was also before the internet so I may have glanced the us news ranking list in a magazine but I didn’t stare or study in.

Why are you double and tripling down on not knowing a pretty darn famous school? It's been listed as a top 50ish school in USNews since the 1990s.

Literally, you learn about it in history class considering Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe graduated from W&M.

Weird flex.

DP. Maybe let it go that W&M is not all that you continue to hype it up as?

You are clearly the same poster that has posted here and like 5 additional threads.

There is no hype involved in knowing that schools exist, but yet again, you take pride that you are a dipshit. Good for you.

I don't care one way or the other on William & Mary...much like I don't care much about San Jose State or CA State Stanislaus or Humboldt or CA State Pomona, or the other CA colleges that I know exist.

I’m not that immediate pp but I said previously that I was unfamiliar with W&M. I have never posted anything about WM before. It really isn’t worth posting about.

I have written previously (last year?) about not knowing UVA was a good school before moving down here and was definitely flamed for that.

I live in VA now and know UVA is an excellent school. We can afford private tuition so my kids have no incentive to go to a state school.