More skills based grading at madison hs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:26 pages and still not one bit of evidence this SBG program helps anyone. It's also the second or third time the topic was discussed and no actual positives written there either.

I have written it twice. Your choice to ignore. For my kid: now is compelled to do more than what he's only required to do; hi study habits have greatly improved; he is actually mastering material before moving on and then looping back.

But it falls on deaf ears because some parents just want grade inflation and will freak out when their kids get to college and those "buffers" no longer exist.

But he could have done that with the normal grading system?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:26 pages and still not one bit of evidence this SBG program helps anyone. It's also the second or third time the topic was discussed and no actual positives written there either.

I have written it twice. Your choice to ignore. For my kid: now is compelled to do more than what he's only required to do; hi study habits have greatly improved; he is actually mastering material before moving on and then looping back.

But it falls on deaf ears because some parents just want grade inflation and will freak out when their kids get to college and those "buffers" no longer exist.

How? What grade? What classes? He's a unicorn in the school I guess. This isnt a typical experience when talking to locsl parents.Teachers aren't even grading practice work and quizzes lhalf the time. What in SBG is helping him do more and increase study habits? I also don't understand the last part. My kid hasn't had a class where course content and testing is actually different than before SBG so mastery and looping back would need to be explained further. I haven't seen these comments before either. They need more detail for me to understand if his teachers are doing something different and why your kid is excelling compared to before. I assume he is a junior or senior and has experienced both methods?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:26 pages and still not one bit of evidence this SBG program helps anyone. It's also the second or third time the topic was discussed and no actual positives written there either.

I have written it twice. Your choice to ignore. For my kid: now is compelled to do more than what he's only required to do; hi study habits have greatly improved; he is actually mastering material before moving on and then looping back.

But it falls on deaf ears because some parents just want grade inflation and will freak out when their kids get to college and those "buffers" no longer exist.

Also your post is very derogatory. You can't expect respect when you label other parents this way and if you had just stuck to actual examples verses name calling you would have gotten more respect. Parents just want to game the system is all you seem to regurgitate despite this program being a colossal failure throughout the US and editorials written about how the grading is actually gaming the system to bring more kids to the middle. Parents and teachers and kids have laid out multiple issues with the system here and all over the US. You are debasing them. High School isn't college. Middle school isn't high school. Elementary school isn't middle school. Preschool isn't elementary school. They don't have to be equal. I want my kid prepared for college as the next step, not to actually be in college. There is a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:26 pages and still not one bit of evidence this SBG program helps anyone. It's also the second or third time the topic was discussed and no actual positives written there either.

I have written it twice. Your choice to ignore. For my kid: now is compelled to do more than what he's only required to do; hi study habits have greatly improved; he is actually mastering material before moving on and then looping back.

But it falls on deaf ears because some parents just want grade inflation and will freak out when their kids get to college and those "buffers" no longer exist.

Also your post is very derogatory. You can't expect respect when you label other parents this way and if you had just stuck to actual examples verses name calling you would have gotten more respect. Parents just want to game the system is all you seem to regurgitate despite this program being a colossal failure throughout the US and editorials written about how the grading is actually gaming the system to bring more kids to the middle. Parents and teachers and kids have laid out multiple issues with the system here and all over the US. You are debasing them. High School isn't college. Middle school isn't high school. Elementary school isn't middle school. Preschool isn't elementary school. They don't have to be equal. I want my kid prepared for college as the next step, not to actually be in college. There is a difference.

PP didn't call anyone names. Some of the earlier PPs did though. Why didn't you call them out?

[Anonymous]

"some parents just want grade inflation and will freak out"

To me this is the equivalent of name calling. How is it any different than calling someone stupid? It's debasing what this entire thread is about.

I don't control what others say and those posts weren't directed towards me. Others called them out already. I thought the language was unnecessary, but felt they were responding to some sort of previous debasing language such as the above.

There were only two posts in close to 400 posts here that you found anything remotely rude and we already had that discussion. There wasn't much there. There are a lot of posts from you mainly reducing arguments to nefarious accusations while making few positive arguments of your own.

We are all ears. How has your junior or senior boy been compelled to do more, learned better study skills and mastered material better with the new system?

[Anonymous]

I think the troll poster may be the same poster who bashed a student that spoke out about SBG at a PTSA meeting earlier in the thread and wrote even worse on the 1st thread. We can ask Jeff to confirm it, but if it's the same one, she is not beyond name calling herself and should not even be allowed to post on this thread anymore.

Here are some good questions I came across on a Reddit thread for teachers:

"I would like to ask the powers that be HOW they are going to measure if SBG was effective? What data will they be looking for and when will they capture this data? What will it take for them to revisit grading systems again?"

She goes on tho point on that "Most students from 5-12 are not wanting to learn for learnings sake. Isn’t that a fairly easy thing to get data on?"

I completely agree with this and this: "SBG will lead to a lot of wasted time because students will ignore the work and attempt to show mastery despite not being truly prepared. Then they expect the teacher to deliver more instruction to the student that rejected it the first time." "Kids are going to always take the path of least resistance. SBG is feel good grifting nonsense that is using all the post-2020 buzzwords.

I predict it will be dead by 2030."

2030 - she is probably right about that too.

I urge everyone to write SB members even if you have already, then also Reid's office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"some parents just want grade inflation and will freak out"

To me this is the equivalent of name calling. How is it any different than calling someone stupid? It's debasing what this entire thread is about.

I don't control what others say and those posts weren't directed towards me. Others called them out already. I thought the language was unnecessary, but felt they were responding to some sort of previous debasing language such as the above.

There were only two posts in close to 400 posts here that you found anything remotely rude and we already had that discussion. There wasn't much there. There are a lot of posts from you mainly reducing arguments to nefarious accusations while making few positive arguments of your own.

We are all ears. How has your junior or senior boy been compelled to do more, learned better study skills and mastered material better with the new system?

Huh? There were many earlier name calling/disrespectful posts.

PP was discussing the behavior, which seems pretty accurate IMO. A recent post described "buffering" as grade inflation (something like taking a B+ to an A).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"some parents just want grade inflation and will freak out"

To me this is the equivalent of name calling. How is it any different than calling someone stupid? It's debasing what this entire thread is about.

I don't control what others say and those posts weren't directed towards me. Others called them out already. I thought the language was unnecessary, but felt they were responding to some sort of previous debasing language such as the above.

There were only two posts in close to 400 posts here that you found anything remotely rude and we already had that discussion. There wasn't much there. There are a lot of posts from you mainly reducing arguments to nefarious accusations while making few positive arguments of your own.

We are all ears. How has your junior or senior boy been compelled to do more, learned better study skills and mastered material better with the new system?

Huh? There were many earlier name calling/disrespectful posts.

PP was discussing the behavior, which seems pretty accurate IMO. A recent post described "buffering" as grade inflation (something like taking a B+ to an A).

You call it grade inflation. Others like me amd even the SBG just call it grading multiple assignments as part of a grade. Or grading to a more accurate number with pluses and minuses. Grade inflation would mean that the grade is not linked to actual work and just made up which is pretty much what changing a past grade is. To me SBG is a weird form of grade inflation without any new work completed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"some parents just want grade inflation and will freak out"

To me this is the equivalent of name calling. How is it any different than calling someone stupid? It's debasing what this entire thread is about.

I don't control what others say and those posts weren't directed towards me. Others called them out already. I thought the language was unnecessary, but felt they were responding to some sort of previous debasing language such as the above.

There were only two posts in close to 400 posts here that you found anything remotely rude and we already had that discussion. There wasn't much there. There are a lot of posts from you mainly reducing arguments to nefarious accusations while making few positive arguments of your own.

We are all ears. How has your junior or senior boy been compelled to do more, learned better study skills and mastered material better with the new system?

Huh? There were many earlier name calling/disrespectful posts.

PP was discussing the behavior, which seems pretty accurate IMO. A recent post described "buffering" as grade inflation (something like taking a B+ to an A).

You call it grade inflation. Others like me amd even the SBG just call it grading multiple assignments as part of a grade. Or grading to a more accurate number with pluses and minuses. Grade inflation would mean that the grade is not linked to actual work and just made up which is pretty much what changing a past grade is. To me SBG is a weird form of grade inflation without any new work completed.

Here was the quote:
"Kids who deserve As do not always get those deserved As at JMHS. Kids who deserve As at other FCPS locations, get As. And, kids at most FCPS locations all get to add buffers to grades, boosting up scores from B+ to an A, but not at JMHS."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"some parents just want grade inflation and will freak out"

To me this is the equivalent of name calling. How is it any different than calling someone stupid? It's debasing what this entire thread is about.

I don't control what others say and those posts weren't directed towards me. Others called them out already. I thought the language was unnecessary, but felt they were responding to some sort of previous debasing language such as the above.

There were only two posts in close to 400 posts here that you found anything remotely rude and we already had that discussion. There wasn't much there. There are a lot of posts from you mainly reducing arguments to nefarious accusations while making few positive arguments of your own.

We are all ears. How has your junior or senior boy been compelled to do more, learned better study skills and mastered material better with the new system?

Huh? There were many earlier name calling/disrespectful posts.

PP was discussing the behavior, which seems pretty accurate IMO. A recent post described "buffering" as grade inflation (something like taking a B+ to an A).

You call it grade inflation. Others like me amd even the SBG just call it grading multiple assignments as part of a grade. Or grading to a more accurate number with pluses and minuses. Grade inflation would mean that the grade is not linked to actual work and just made up which is pretty much what changing a past grade is. To me SBG is a weird form of grade inflation without any new work completed.

Here was the quote:
"Kids who deserve As do not always get those deserved As at JMHS. Kids who deserve As at other FCPS locations, get As. And, kids at most FCPS locations all get to add buffers to grades, boosting up scores from B+ to an A, but not at JMHS."

NP: and the troll took those quotes and addresses only the second one saying something - so you’re upset you student’s grade is only reflective of knowledge? Clearly ignoring that JMHS students get lower grades.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure. I can only assume they meant the previous grading which included additional assignments and more detailed grading.

[Anonymous]

Maybe also retake? Those are also gone.

[Anonymous]

We are all ears. Again. How has your junior or senior boy been compelled to do more, learned better study skills and mastered material better with the new SBG grading system?

[Anonymous]

Even though this has been stated MANY times -- I'll state it again for those who are hard-of-comprehending.... there is more than one person on this thread who doesn't have a problem with SBG. Some of the PPs keep assuming there is only one person they are talking to. Not the case.

Open.your.mind.

[Anonymous]

Obviously. It's a nationwide trend. This is a small sampling of people here. I don't know why you have to keep announcing it with nothing to back up why it's a positive to the school overall. I feel like many times people have told you, we hear you, but you are basically saying nothing other than it hasn't affected you family and doesn't show that it's a net benefit to the school. Are you heard now?