Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

Some in DC may be happy to choke off access for MD car commuters, at the same time that the mayor and council are frantic that more DC-based employees in the private and federal sectors are still working remotely. Local eateries downtown are hurting and commercial landlords are cutting their assessed valuations which decreases DC tax revenue. Nothing like making commutes even harder, to encourage more people to work and come downtown.

It doesn't matter how hard or easy the commute is, the fact is that COVID has permanently impacted how we work and as such, we need to start the transformation from office to residential where possible, and our travel patterns need to adjust accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

Some in DC may be happy to choke off access for MD car commuters, at the same time that the mayor and council are frantic that more DC-based employees in the private and federal sectors are still working remotely. Local eateries downtown are hurting and commercial landlords are cutting their assessed valuations which decreases DC tax revenue. Nothing like making commutes even harder, to encourage more people to work and come downtown.

It doesn't matter how hard or easy the commute is, the fact is that COVID has permanently impacted how we work and as such, we need to start the transformation from office to residential where possible, and our travel patterns need to adjust accordingly.

Don’t over sell it. WFH privileges are gradually deteriorating in most workplaces. Government jobs and some tech, which had a lot of WFH pre-COVID, are probably the only employers who have entrenched WFH policies post-COVID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

ANCs aren't politicians. Nobody cares what they think.
A majority of businesses and a plurality of residents are opposed. The plan gets lets popular the more it gets exposed.

The mayor and council support is thin and depends entirely on the plan being sold to them as popular. As they continue to find out that it is not and as they continue to discover the reality of falling revenue that support will get thinner and thinner.

The 14th and 16th redesign is not helping matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

ANCs aren't politicians. Nobody cares what they think.
A majority of businesses and a plurality of residents are opposed. The plan gets lets popular the more it gets exposed.

The mayor and council support is thin and depends entirely on the plan being sold to them as popular. As they continue to find out that it is not and as they continue to discover the reality of falling revenue that support will get thinner and thinner.

The 14th and 16th redesign is not helping matters.

To top it off, they expect the direct result will be crushing traffic on Wisconsin which will have a negative impact on the development review process for upzoning under the comp plan. Bike lanes on CT street could actually impede development of more housing in Ward 3 because no developer is building anything up there without generous parking, whether it’s mandated or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

ANCs aren't politicians. Nobody cares what they think.
A majority of businesses and a plurality of residents are opposed. The plan gets lets popular the more it gets exposed.

The mayor and council support is thin and depends entirely on the plan being sold to them as popular. As they continue to find out that it is not and as they continue to discover the reality of falling revenue that support will get thinner and thinner.

The 14th and 16th redesign is not helping matters.

Stop lying. There is no evidence that a “majority” or “plurality” are opposed. There’s a single deceptive petition with misrepresentations about who signed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

ANCs aren't politicians. Nobody cares what they think.
A majority of businesses and a plurality of residents are opposed. The plan gets lets popular the more it gets exposed.

The mayor and council support is thin and depends entirely on the plan being sold to them as popular. As they continue to find out that it is not and as they continue to discover the reality of falling revenue that support will get thinner and thinner.

The 14th and 16th redesign is not helping matters.

Stop lying. There is no evidence that a “majority” or “plurality” are opposed. There’s a single deceptive petition with misrepresentations about who signed it.

Well calling it the “Reversible Lane Safety Study” was the ultimate deception. While parents and homeowners were struggling to try and educate their kids during COVID, the single childless bike bros were having meetings in the attempt to give the appearance of process. This is defund the police 2.0.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

ANCs aren't politicians. Nobody cares what they think.
A majority of businesses and a plurality of residents are opposed. The plan gets lets popular the more it gets exposed.

The mayor and council support is thin and depends entirely on the plan being sold to them as popular. As they continue to find out that it is not and as they continue to discover the reality of falling revenue that support will get thinner and thinner.

The 14th and 16th redesign is not helping matters.

Stop lying. There is no evidence that a “majority” or “plurality” are opposed. There’s a single deceptive petition with misrepresentations about who signed it.

Well calling it the “Reversible Lane Safety Study” was the ultimate deception. While parents and homeowners were struggling to try and educate their kids during COVID, the single childless bike bros were having meetings in the attempt to give the appearance of process. This is defund the police 2.0.

Yeah they were totally trying to deceive the public with the FORTY public meetings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

ANCs aren't politicians. Nobody cares what they think.
A majority of businesses and a plurality of residents are opposed. The plan gets lets popular the more it gets exposed.

The mayor and council support is thin and depends entirely on the plan being sold to them as popular. As they continue to find out that it is not and as they continue to discover the reality of falling revenue that support will get thinner and thinner.

The 14th and 16th redesign is not helping matters.

Stop lying. There is no evidence that a “majority” or “plurality” are opposed. There’s a single deceptive petition with misrepresentations about who signed it.

Then how can you say that a "very small minority of residents and businesses" are opposed?

But that's a good idea. Why hasn't there been a proper survey of businesses and residents?

You should view this delay as an opportunity. If the 14th and 16th Street changes work out and bicycle use of Connecticut becomes a non-de minimis number then it'll be a slam dunk. The experiment is happening right now. Let's see who is right. Will the 14th and 16th Street changes become net positives? Will bicycling start being a relevant transportation option? Now that we have time let's see what the data shows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

ANCs aren't politicians. Nobody cares what they think.
A majority of businesses and a plurality of residents are opposed. The plan gets lets popular the more it gets exposed.

The mayor and council support is thin and depends entirely on the plan being sold to them as popular. As they continue to find out that it is not and as they continue to discover the reality of falling revenue that support will get thinner and thinner.

The 14th and 16th redesign is not helping matters.

Stop lying. There is no evidence that a “majority” or “plurality” are opposed. There’s a single deceptive petition with misrepresentations about who signed it.

Well calling it the “Reversible Lane Safety Study” was the ultimate deception. While parents and homeowners were struggling to try and educate their kids during COVID, the single childless bike bros were having meetings in the attempt to give the appearance of process. This is defund the police 2.0.

Yeah they were totally trying to deceive the public with the FORTY public meetings.

40 meetings supposedly about whether or not to keep the reversible lanes. And you wonder why you have a credibility problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

ANCs aren't politicians. Nobody cares what they think.
A majority of businesses and a plurality of residents are opposed. The plan gets lets popular the more it gets exposed.

The mayor and council support is thin and depends entirely on the plan being sold to them as popular. As they continue to find out that it is not and as they continue to discover the reality of falling revenue that support will get thinner and thinner.

The 14th and 16th redesign is not helping matters.

Stop lying. There is no evidence that a “majority” or “plurality” are opposed. There’s a single deceptive petition with misrepresentations about who signed it.

Then how can you say that a "very small minority of residents and businesses" are opposed?

But that's a good idea. Why hasn't there been a proper survey of businesses and residents?

You should view this delay as an opportunity. If the 14th and 16th Street changes work out and bicycle use of Connecticut becomes a non-de minimis number then it'll be a slam dunk. The experiment is happening right now. Let's see who is right. Will the 14th and 16th Street changes become net positives? Will bicycling start being a relevant transportation option? Now that we have time let's see what the data shows.

Generally public works projects are not decided based on a survey. But there absolutely was plenty of opportunity for public input.

and once again … this is a traffic calming project. not just a bike lane project.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

ANCs aren't politicians. Nobody cares what they think.
A majority of businesses and a plurality of residents are opposed. The plan gets lets popular the more it gets exposed.

The mayor and council support is thin and depends entirely on the plan being sold to them as popular. As they continue to find out that it is not and as they continue to discover the reality of falling revenue that support will get thinner and thinner.

The 14th and 16th redesign is not helping matters.

Stop lying. There is no evidence that a “majority” or “plurality” are opposed. There’s a single deceptive petition with misrepresentations about who signed it.

Well calling it the “Reversible Lane Safety Study” was the ultimate deception. While parents and homeowners were struggling to try and educate their kids during COVID, the single childless bike bros were having meetings in the attempt to give the appearance of process. This is defund the police 2.0.

Yeah they were totally trying to deceive the public with the FORTY public meetings.

40 meetings supposedly about whether or not to keep the reversible lanes. And you wonder why you have a credibility problem.

Oh ffs. The meetings discussed the proposals in detail, including the bike lanes. It’s all here: https://ddot.dc.gov/page/connecticut-avenue-nw-reversible-lane-safety-and-operations-study

stop lying

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

ANCs aren't politicians. Nobody cares what they think.
A majority of businesses and a plurality of residents are opposed. The plan gets lets popular the more it gets exposed.

The mayor and council support is thin and depends entirely on the plan being sold to them as popular. As they continue to find out that it is not and as they continue to discover the reality of falling revenue that support will get thinner and thinner.

The 14th and 16th redesign is not helping matters.

Stop lying. There is no evidence that a “majority” or “plurality” are opposed. There’s a single deceptive petition with misrepresentations about who signed it.

Well calling it the “Reversible Lane Safety Study” was the ultimate deception. While parents and homeowners were struggling to try and educate their kids during COVID, the single childless bike bros were having meetings in the attempt to give the appearance of process. This is defund the police 2.0.

Hi, homeowning Ward 3 parent who supports the bike lanes (but would not have attended a public meeting about them before, during, or after the pandemic) here, just jumping in because you like to pretend people like me don't exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

It is happening. The politicians, from the Mayor, to the Councilmember, to the ANCs all support it. It is a very small minority of residents and businesses who are vocally opposing it. There aren't enough elected leaders who opposes it - what, one or two ANC commissioners at best?

ANCs aren't politicians. Nobody cares what they think.
A majority of businesses and a plurality of residents are opposed. The plan gets lets popular the more it gets exposed.

The mayor and council support is thin and depends entirely on the plan being sold to them as popular. As they continue to find out that it is not and as they continue to discover the reality of falling revenue that support will get thinner and thinner.

The 14th and 16th redesign is not helping matters.

Stop lying. There is no evidence that a “majority” or “plurality” are opposed. There’s a single deceptive petition with misrepresentations about who signed it.

Then how can you say that a "very small minority of residents and businesses" are opposed?

But that's a good idea. Why hasn't there been a proper survey of businesses and residents?

You should view this delay as an opportunity. If the 14th and 16th Street changes work out and bicycle use of Connecticut becomes a non-de minimis number then it'll be a slam dunk. The experiment is happening right now. Let's see who is right. Will the 14th and 16th Street changes become net positives? Will bicycling start being a relevant transportation option? Now that we have time let's see what the data shows.

Because we live in a representative democracy. If every single facet of every issue was turned into a survey, nothing would ever get done. That said, we have these things called elections, which inform who are representative are. And as a matter of fact, there was one of these election thiingies, in 2022, and guess what, the people who openly supported the bike lanes won. And the guy who opposed the bike lane, lost, bigly.

So let's move on from this and ensure the implementation is as good as it can be.

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Anonymous wrote:Not content with constraining Connecticut Avenue and closing Beach Drive to cars, the Greater Greater Washington/WABA/Smart Growth crowd has now put forward their latest agenda item: close most of Rock Creek Park, including the Parkway, to cars. https://ggwash.org/view/89224/its-past-time-to-open-rock-creek-park-by-closing-it-to-cars

While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.

That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.

Some in DC may be happy to choke off access for MD car commuters, at the same time that the mayor and council are frantic that more DC-based employees in the private and federal sectors are still working remotely. Local eateries downtown are hurting and commercial landlords are cutting their assessed valuations which decreases DC tax revenue. Nothing like making commutes even harder, to encourage more people to work and come downtown.

It doesn't matter how hard or easy the commute is, the fact is that COVID has permanently impacted how we work and as such, we need to start the transformation from office to residential where possible, and our travel patterns need to adjust accordingly.

Don’t over sell it. WFH privileges are gradually deteriorating in most workplaces. Government jobs and some tech, which had a lot of WFH pre-COVID, are probably the only employers who have entrenched WFH policies post-COVID.

And what are most of the jobs in the DC region? Oh, government and tech, go figure.