Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?
Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.
Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.
Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.
If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.
DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.
Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.
DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.
What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.
He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.
He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.
He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.
It is good politics to "align with the clowns"
In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.
Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.
This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.
I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.
The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.
The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.
It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.
There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.
Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.
Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.
DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.
that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.
What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.
Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.
right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.
What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.
For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc
All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.
All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.
Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.
There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.
The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?
If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.
If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.
You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.
You still don't understand basic math.
You don't see people. Or rather, you see some people, but you don't see other people. Please work on that.
It seems you have forgotten what you are arguing about. The question is whether bike lanes will increase the racial and ethnic diversity of upper Connecticut. They will without a doubt not do that. This has nothing to do whether non-white people bike in some proportion or not. The claim is that they bike at a higher proportion or find bike lanes more desirable than white people. They don't and there is a multitude of data and outreach programs that support that statement. Which means you are either deliberately lying, delusional, or don't understand simple math concepts like the term increase.
They are race baiting. It’s pathetic and gross. Not a single cycling advocate should find that acceptable but they are silent.
It's emblematic of the complete lack of shame or integrity that some the most vocal advocates have. There is nothing they won't say or do. They know that the proposal is not popular. They know that it will increase congestion. They know that it will divert traffic onto the side streets. And they know that it will not have the benefits they claim. But they don't care what they lie about. For them, the ends justify any means amd it shows the paucity of their arguments.
I will believe the traffic engineers who have studied this and the traffic planners who are looking at impacts from other places in DC and other similar places from around the world before I will listen to an anonymous poster on a forum like this.
Those professionals all dispute your false claims.
No they don't but keep lying. DDOT's report, which was conducted by those same people lunder the most bike friendly assumptions possible, states that it will increase congestion on Connecticut and divert traffic onto side streets. It does that even with the two absurd assumptions of a 1,000+% increase in bicycling and thousands of drivers choosing GW Parkway as an alternative route.
Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?
Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.
Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.
Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.
If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.
DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.
Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.
DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.
What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.
He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.
He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.
He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.
It is good politics to "align with the clowns"
In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.
Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.
This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.
I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.
The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.
The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.
It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.
There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.
Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.
Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.
DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.
that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.
What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.
Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.
right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.
What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.
For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc
All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.
All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.
Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.
There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.
The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?
If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.
If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.
You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.
You still don't understand basic math.
You don't see people. Or rather, you see some people, but you don't see other people. Please work on that.
It seems you have forgotten what you are arguing about. The question is whether bike lanes will increase the racial and ethnic diversity of upper Connecticut. They will without a doubt not do that. This has nothing to do whether non-white people bike in some proportion or not. The claim is that they bike at a higher proportion or find bike lanes more desirable than white people. They don't and there is a multitude of data and outreach programs that support that statement. Which means you are either deliberately lying, delusional, or don't understand simple math concepts like the term increase.
They are race baiting. It’s pathetic and gross. Not a single cycling advocate should find that acceptable but they are silent.
It's emblematic of the complete lack of shame or integrity that some the most vocal advocates have. There is nothing they won't say or do. They know that the proposal is not popular. They know that it will increase congestion. They know that it will divert traffic onto the side streets. And they know that it will not have the benefits they claim. But they don't care what they lie about. For them, the ends justify any means amd it shows the paucity of their arguments.
I will believe the traffic engineers who have studied this and the traffic planners who are looking at impacts from other places in DC and other similar places from around the world before I will listen to an anonymous poster on a forum like this.
Those professionals all dispute your false claims.
No they don't but keep lying. DDOT's report, which was conducted by those same people lunder the most bike friendly assumptions possible, states that it will increase congestion on Connecticut and divert traffic onto side streets. It does that even with the two absurd assumptions of a 1,000+% increase in bicycling and thousands of drivers choosing GW Parkway as an alternative route.
DP. stop lying. the study says traffic will be diverted onto already busy streets N-W like Wisc. Traffic will largely be *reduced* on what you might call “side streets” (E-W).
Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?
Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.
Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.
Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.
If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.
DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.
Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.
DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.
What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.
He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.
He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.
He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.
It is good politics to "align with the clowns"
In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.
Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.
This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.
I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.
The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.
The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.
It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.
There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.
Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.
Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.
DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.
that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.
What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.
Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.
right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.
What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.
For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc
All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.
All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.
Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.
There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.
The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?
If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.
If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.
You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.
You still don't understand basic math.
You don't see people. Or rather, you see some people, but you don't see other people. Please work on that.
It seems you have forgotten what you are arguing about. The question is whether bike lanes will increase the racial and ethnic diversity of upper Connecticut. They will without a doubt not do that. This has nothing to do whether non-white people bike in some proportion or not. The claim is that they bike at a higher proportion or find bike lanes more desirable than white people. They don't and there is a multitude of data and outreach programs that support that statement. Which means you are either deliberately lying, delusional, or don't understand simple math concepts like the term increase.
They are race baiting. It’s pathetic and gross. Not a single cycling advocate should find that acceptable but they are silent.
It's emblematic of the complete lack of shame or integrity that some the most vocal advocates have. There is nothing they won't say or do. They know that the proposal is not popular. They know that it will increase congestion. They know that it will divert traffic onto the side streets. And they know that it will not have the benefits they claim. But they don't care what they lie about. For them, the ends justify any means amd it shows the paucity of their arguments.
I will believe the traffic engineers who have studied this and the traffic planners who are looking at impacts from other places in DC and other similar places from around the world before I will listen to an anonymous poster on a forum like this.
Those professionals all dispute your false claims.
No they don't but keep lying. DDOT's report, which was conducted by those same people lunder the most bike friendly assumptions possible, states that it will increase congestion on Connecticut and divert traffic onto side streets. It does that even with the two absurd assumptions of a 1,000+% increase in bicycling and thousands of drivers choosing GW Parkway as an alternative route.
DP. stop lying. the study says traffic will be diverted onto already busy streets N-W like Wisc. Traffic will largely be *reduced* on what you might call “side streets” (E-W).
According to you the cars just get magically transported to Wisconsin? You don’t understand that you are actually contradicting yourself and supporting what the PP says.
Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?
Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.
Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.
Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.
If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.
DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.
Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.
DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.
What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.
He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.
He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.
He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.
It is good politics to "align with the clowns"
In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.
Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.
This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.
I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.
The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.
The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.
It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.
There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.
Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.
Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.
DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.
that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.
What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.
Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.
right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.
What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.
For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc
All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.
All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.
Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.
There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.
The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?
If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.
If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.
You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.
You still don't understand basic math.
You don't see people. Or rather, you see some people, but you don't see other people. Please work on that.
It seems you have forgotten what you are arguing about. The question is whether bike lanes will increase the racial and ethnic diversity of upper Connecticut. They will without a doubt not do that. This has nothing to do whether non-white people bike in some proportion or not. The claim is that they bike at a higher proportion or find bike lanes more desirable than white people. They don't and there is a multitude of data and outreach programs that support that statement. Which means you are either deliberately lying, delusional, or don't understand simple math concepts like the term increase.
They are race baiting. It’s pathetic and gross. Not a single cycling advocate should find that acceptable but they are silent.
It's emblematic of the complete lack of shame or integrity that some the most vocal advocates have. There is nothing they won't say or do. They know that the proposal is not popular. They know that it will increase congestion. They know that it will divert traffic onto the side streets. And they know that it will not have the benefits they claim. But they don't care what they lie about. For them, the ends justify any means amd it shows the paucity of their arguments.
I will believe the traffic engineers who have studied this and the traffic planners who are looking at impacts from other places in DC and other similar places from around the world before I will listen to an anonymous poster on a forum like this.
Those professionals all dispute your false claims.
No they don't but keep lying. DDOT's report, which was conducted by those same people lunder the most bike friendly assumptions possible, states that it will increase congestion on Connecticut and divert traffic onto side streets. It does that even with the two absurd assumptions of a 1,000+% increase in bicycling and thousands of drivers choosing GW Parkway as an alternative route.
DP. stop lying. the study says traffic will be diverted onto already busy streets N-W like Wisc. Traffic will largely be *reduced* on what you might call “side streets” (E-W).
Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?
Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.
Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.
Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.
If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.
DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.
Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.
DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.
What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.
He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.
He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.
He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.
It is good politics to "align with the clowns"
In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.
Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.
This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.
I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.
The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.
The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.
It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.
There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.
Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.
Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.
DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.
that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.
What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.
Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.
right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.
What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.
For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc
All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.
All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.
Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.
There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.
The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?
If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.
If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.
You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.
You still don't understand basic math.
You don't see people. Or rather, you see some people, but you don't see other people. Please work on that.
It seems you have forgotten what you are arguing about. The question is whether bike lanes will increase the racial and ethnic diversity of upper Connecticut. They will without a doubt not do that. This has nothing to do whether non-white people bike in some proportion or not. The claim is that they bike at a higher proportion or find bike lanes more desirable than white people. They don't and there is a multitude of data and outreach programs that support that statement. Which means you are either deliberately lying, delusional, or don't understand simple math concepts like the term increase.
They are race baiting. It’s pathetic and gross. Not a single cycling advocate should find that acceptable but they are silent.
It's emblematic of the complete lack of shame or integrity that some the most vocal advocates have. There is nothing they won't say or do. They know that the proposal is not popular. They know that it will increase congestion. They know that it will divert traffic onto the side streets. And they know that it will not have the benefits they claim. But they don't care what they lie about. For them, the ends justify any means amd it shows the paucity of their arguments.
I will believe the traffic engineers who have studied this and the traffic planners who are looking at impacts from other places in DC and other similar places from around the world before I will listen to an anonymous poster on a forum like this.
Those professionals all dispute your false claims.
No they don't but keep lying. DDOT's report, which was conducted by those same people lunder the most bike friendly assumptions possible, states that it will increase congestion on Connecticut and divert traffic onto side streets. It does that even with the two absurd assumptions of a 1,000+% increase in bicycling and thousands of drivers choosing GW Parkway as an alternative route.
DP. stop lying. the study says traffic will be diverted onto already busy streets N-W like Wisc. Traffic will largely be *reduced* on what you might call “side streets” (E-W).
You have no shame at all
The actual DDOT study showing exactly what I said has been posted upteen times, but here you go again.
Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?
Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.
Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.
Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.
If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.
DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.
Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.
DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.
What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.
He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.
He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.
He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.
It is good politics to "align with the clowns"
In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.
Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.
This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.
I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.
The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.
The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.
It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.
There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.
Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.
Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.
DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.
that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.
What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.
Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.
right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.
What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.
For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc
All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.
All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.
Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.
There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.
The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?
If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.
If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.
You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.
You still don't understand basic math.
You don't see people. Or rather, you see some people, but you don't see other people. Please work on that.
It seems you have forgotten what you are arguing about. The question is whether bike lanes will increase the racial and ethnic diversity of upper Connecticut. They will without a doubt not do that. This has nothing to do whether non-white people bike in some proportion or not. The claim is that they bike at a higher proportion or find bike lanes more desirable than white people. They don't and there is a multitude of data and outreach programs that support that statement. Which means you are either deliberately lying, delusional, or don't understand simple math concepts like the term increase.
They are race baiting. It’s pathetic and gross. Not a single cycling advocate should find that acceptable but they are silent.
It's emblematic of the complete lack of shame or integrity that some the most vocal advocates have. There is nothing they won't say or do. They know that the proposal is not popular. They know that it will increase congestion. They know that it will divert traffic onto the side streets. And they know that it will not have the benefits they claim. But they don't care what they lie about. For them, the ends justify any means amd it shows the paucity of their arguments.
I will believe the traffic engineers who have studied this and the traffic planners who are looking at impacts from other places in DC and other similar places from around the world before I will listen to an anonymous poster on a forum like this.
Those professionals all dispute your false claims.
No they don't but keep lying. DDOT's report, which was conducted by those same people lunder the most bike friendly assumptions possible, states that it will increase congestion on Connecticut and divert traffic onto side streets. It does that even with the two absurd assumptions of a 1,000+% increase in bicycling and thousands of drivers choosing GW Parkway as an alternative route.
DP. stop lying. the study says traffic will be diverted onto already busy streets N-W like Wisc. Traffic will largely be *reduced* on what you might call “side streets” (E-W).
You have no shame at all
The actual DDOT study showing exactly what I said has been posted upteen times, but here you go again.
Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?
Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.
Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.
Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.
If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.
DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.
Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.
DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.
What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.
He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.
He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.
He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.
It is good politics to "align with the clowns"
In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.
Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.
This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.
I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.
The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.
The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.
It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.
There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.
Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.
Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.
DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.
that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.
What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.
Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.
right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.
What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.
For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc
All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.
All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.
Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.
There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.
The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?
If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.
If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.
You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.
You still don't understand basic math.
You don't see people. Or rather, you see some people, but you don't see other people. Please work on that.
It seems you have forgotten what you are arguing about. The question is whether bike lanes will increase the racial and ethnic diversity of upper Connecticut. They will without a doubt not do that. This has nothing to do whether non-white people bike in some proportion or not. The claim is that they bike at a higher proportion or find bike lanes more desirable than white people. They don't and there is a multitude of data and outreach programs that support that statement. Which means you are either deliberately lying, delusional, or don't understand simple math concepts like the term increase.
They are race baiting. It’s pathetic and gross. Not a single cycling advocate should find that acceptable but they are silent.
It's emblematic of the complete lack of shame or integrity that some the most vocal advocates have. There is nothing they won't say or do. They know that the proposal is not popular. They know that it will increase congestion. They know that it will divert traffic onto the side streets. And they know that it will not have the benefits they claim. But they don't care what they lie about. For them, the ends justify any means amd it shows the paucity of their arguments.
I will believe the traffic engineers who have studied this and the traffic planners who are looking at impacts from other places in DC and other similar places from around the world before I will listen to an anonymous poster on a forum like this.
Those professionals all dispute your false claims.
No they don't but keep lying. DDOT's report, which was conducted by those same people lunder the most bike friendly assumptions possible, states that it will increase congestion on Connecticut and divert traffic onto side streets. It does that even with the two absurd assumptions of a 1,000+% increase in bicycling and thousands of drivers choosing GW Parkway as an alternative route.
DP. stop lying. the study says traffic will be diverted onto already busy streets N-W like Wisc. Traffic will largely be *reduced* on what you might call “side streets” (E-W).
You have no shame at all
The actual DDOT study showing exactly what I said has been posted upteen times, but here you go again.
Where does it say that traffic on side streets will be “reduced”?
The data presented says the opposite.
The presentation clearly shows where traffic will be diverted. There are increases and decreases. The meaninful increasea are on N-W routes that are by no definition “side streets.” Mainly Wisconsin, Reno and Beach.
Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?
Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.
Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.
Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.
If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.
DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.
Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.
DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.
What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.
He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.
He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.
He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.
It is good politics to "align with the clowns"
In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.
Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.
This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.
I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.
The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.
The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.
It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.
There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.
Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.
Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.
DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.
that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.
What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.
Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.
right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.
What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.
For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc
All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.
All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.
Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.
There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.
The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?
If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.
If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.
You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.
You still don't understand basic math.
You don't see people. Or rather, you see some people, but you don't see other people. Please work on that.
It seems you have forgotten what you are arguing about. The question is whether bike lanes will increase the racial and ethnic diversity of upper Connecticut. They will without a doubt not do that. This has nothing to do whether non-white people bike in some proportion or not. The claim is that they bike at a higher proportion or find bike lanes more desirable than white people. They don't and there is a multitude of data and outreach programs that support that statement. Which means you are either deliberately lying, delusional, or don't understand simple math concepts like the term increase.
They are race baiting. It’s pathetic and gross. Not a single cycling advocate should find that acceptable but they are silent.
It's emblematic of the complete lack of shame or integrity that some the most vocal advocates have. There is nothing they won't say or do. They know that the proposal is not popular. They know that it will increase congestion. They know that it will divert traffic onto the side streets. And they know that it will not have the benefits they claim. But they don't care what they lie about. For them, the ends justify any means amd it shows the paucity of their arguments.
I will believe the traffic engineers who have studied this and the traffic planners who are looking at impacts from other places in DC and other similar places from around the world before I will listen to an anonymous poster on a forum like this.
Those professionals all dispute your false claims.
No they don't but keep lying. DDOT's report, which was conducted by those same people lunder the most bike friendly assumptions possible, states that it will increase congestion on Connecticut and divert traffic onto side streets. It does that even with the two absurd assumptions of a 1,000+% increase in bicycling and thousands of drivers choosing GW Parkway as an alternative route.
DP. stop lying. the study says traffic will be diverted onto already busy streets N-W like Wisc. Traffic will largely be *reduced* on what you might call “side streets” (E-W).
You have no shame at all
The actual DDOT study showing exactly what I said has been posted upteen times, but here you go again.
Where does it say that traffic on side streets will be “reduced”?
The data presented says the opposite.
The presentation clearly shows where traffic will be diverted. There are increases and decreases. The meaninful increasea are on N-W routes that are by no definition “side streets.” Mainly Wisconsin, Reno and Beach.
They predict traffic increases in Beach Dr which is closed. You picked the wrong hill to die on.
Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?
Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.
Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.
Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.
If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.
DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.
Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.
DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.
What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.
He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.
He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.
He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.
It is good politics to "align with the clowns"
In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.
Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.
This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.
I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.
The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.
The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.
It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.
There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.
Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.
Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.
DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.
that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.
What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.
Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.
right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.
What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.
For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc
All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.
All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.
Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.
There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.
The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?
If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.
If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.
You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.
You still don't understand basic math.
You don't see people. Or rather, you see some people, but you don't see other people. Please work on that.
It seems you have forgotten what you are arguing about. The question is whether bike lanes will increase the racial and ethnic diversity of upper Connecticut. They will without a doubt not do that. This has nothing to do whether non-white people bike in some proportion or not. The claim is that they bike at a higher proportion or find bike lanes more desirable than white people. They don't and there is a multitude of data and outreach programs that support that statement. Which means you are either deliberately lying, delusional, or don't understand simple math concepts like the term increase.
They are race baiting. It’s pathetic and gross. Not a single cycling advocate should find that acceptable but they are silent.
It's emblematic of the complete lack of shame or integrity that some the most vocal advocates have. There is nothing they won't say or do. They know that the proposal is not popular. They know that it will increase congestion. They know that it will divert traffic onto the side streets. And they know that it will not have the benefits they claim. But they don't care what they lie about. For them, the ends justify any means amd it shows the paucity of their arguments.
I will believe the traffic engineers who have studied this and the traffic planners who are looking at impacts from other places in DC and other similar places from around the world before I will listen to an anonymous poster on a forum like this.
Those professionals all dispute your false claims.
No they don't but keep lying. DDOT's report, which was conducted by those same people lunder the most bike friendly assumptions possible, states that it will increase congestion on Connecticut and divert traffic onto side streets. It does that even with the two absurd assumptions of a 1,000+% increase in bicycling and thousands of drivers choosing GW Parkway as an alternative route.
DP. stop lying. the study says traffic will be diverted onto already busy streets N-W like Wisc. Traffic will largely be *reduced* on what you might call “side streets” (E-W).
You have no shame at all
The actual DDOT study showing exactly what I said has been posted upteen times, but here you go again.
Where does it say that traffic on side streets will be “reduced”?
The data presented says the opposite.
The presentation clearly shows where traffic will be diverted. There are increases and decreases. The meaninful increasea are on N-W routes that are by no definition “side streets.” Mainly Wisconsin, Reno and Beach.
They predict traffic increases in Beach Dr which is closed. You picked the wrong hill to die on.
The Connecticut Avenue plans show dedicated left turn channels at nearly every intersection. So when Connecticut traffic becomes congested, as it surely will (and not just at rush hour), it will be tempting and easy for cars and trucks to peel off on to cross streets like Woodley, Macomb, Ordway, Porter, Albemarle and others, to reach 34th/Reno or Wisconsin. This will be a traffic safety nightmare for pedestrians and residents on the side streets.
While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.
While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.
That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.
Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?
Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.
Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.
Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.
If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.
DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.
Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.
DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.
What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.
He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.
He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.
He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.
It is good politics to "align with the clowns"
In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.
Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.
This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.
I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.
The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.
The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.
It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.
There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.
Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.
Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.
DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.
that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.
What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.
Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.
right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.
What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.
For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc
All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.
All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.
Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.
There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.
The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?
If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.
If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.
You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.
You still don't understand basic math.
You don't see people. Or rather, you see some people, but you don't see other people. Please work on that.
It seems you have forgotten what you are arguing about. The question is whether bike lanes will increase the racial and ethnic diversity of upper Connecticut. They will without a doubt not do that. This has nothing to do whether non-white people bike in some proportion or not. The claim is that they bike at a higher proportion or find bike lanes more desirable than white people. They don't and there is a multitude of data and outreach programs that support that statement. Which means you are either deliberately lying, delusional, or don't understand simple math concepts like the term increase.
They are race baiting. It’s pathetic and gross. Not a single cycling advocate should find that acceptable but they are silent.
It's emblematic of the complete lack of shame or integrity that some the most vocal advocates have. There is nothing they won't say or do. They know that the proposal is not popular. They know that it will increase congestion. They know that it will divert traffic onto the side streets. And they know that it will not have the benefits they claim. But they don't care what they lie about. For them, the ends justify any means amd it shows the paucity of their arguments.
I will believe the traffic engineers who have studied this and the traffic planners who are looking at impacts from other places in DC and other similar places from around the world before I will listen to an anonymous poster on a forum like this.
Those professionals all dispute your false claims.
No they don't but keep lying. DDOT's report, which was conducted by those same people lunder the most bike friendly assumptions possible, states that it will increase congestion on Connecticut and divert traffic onto side streets. It does that even with the two absurd assumptions of a 1,000+% increase in bicycling and thousands of drivers choosing GW Parkway as an alternative route.
DP. stop lying. the study says traffic will be diverted onto already busy streets N-W like Wisc. Traffic will largely be *reduced* on what you might call “side streets” (E-W).
You have no shame at all
The actual DDOT study showing exactly what I said has been posted upteen times, but here you go again.
Where does it say that traffic on side streets will be “reduced”?
The data presented says the opposite.
The presentation clearly shows where traffic will be diverted. There are increases and decreases. The meaninful increasea are on N-W routes that are by no definition “side streets.” Mainly Wisconsin, Reno and Beach.
They predict traffic increases in Beach Dr which is closed. You picked the wrong hill to die on.
Also 14th, 16th and Georgia which have all been or will be redisgned to reduce capacity since then.
While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.
That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.
Some in DC may be happy to choke off access for MD car commuters, at the same time that the mayor and council are frantic that more DC-based employees in the private and federal sectors are still working remotely. Local eateries downtown are hurting and commercial landlords are cutting their assessed valuations which decreases DC tax revenue. Nothing like making commutes even harder, to encourage more people to work and come downtown.
While each such idea may have some appeal in isolation, together they spell massive traffic diversion to local streets in Northwest Washington. Not to worry, says GGW. "The street grid can handle it." This means that Waze-driven traffic will be flushed through not just major roads that are already congested with traffic, but on to minor, local, neighborhood streets as well. This ignores the functional classification of streets and the fact that many streets are not engineered for more commuter traffic. The myopic GGW crowd thinks that all streets in DC should be like Manhattan, with traffic pushed through the grid to their through destinations.
That article is a joke because there is zero constituency for closing RCP entirely to cars. DC is happy to choke off access to MD car commuters. The city absolutely would never do the same for DC residents. It’s why this CT Ave bike lane will never happen. While they are tempted to do it to purposefully choke off vehicle access from MD and if that was the only issue it would be done. However, it’s too important for DC residents and businesses which is why this thing is being slow walked until the obvious moment that the city can use budget constraints as an excuse not to move forward and most of the current proponents have already moved away from the city anyway.
Some in DC may be happy to choke off access for MD car commuters, at the same time that the mayor and council are frantic that more DC-based employees in the private and federal sectors are still working remotely. Local eateries downtown are hurting and commercial landlords are cutting their assessed valuations which decreases DC tax revenue. Nothing like making commutes even harder, to encourage more people to work and come downtown.
It’s a game of tax revenue whackamole. The city is prioritizing keeping residents in the city for the income tax revenue. Making commuting less convenient from the suburbs favors people staying over moving. Most of the lost workers are Feds anyway, who form the bulk of the missing Metrorail riders. So the city is hoping to get more Federal workers back downtown before 2025 when there could be a serious crisis.
Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?
Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.
Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.
Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.
If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.
DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.
Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.
DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.
What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.
He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.
He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.
He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.
It is good politics to "align with the clowns"
In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.
Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.
This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.
I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.
The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.
The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.
It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.
There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.
Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.
Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.
DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.
that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.
What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.
Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.
right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.
What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.
For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc
All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.
All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.
Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.
There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.
The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?
If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.
If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.
You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.
You still don't understand basic math.
You don't see people. Or rather, you see some people, but you don't see other people. Please work on that.
It seems you have forgotten what you are arguing about. The question is whether bike lanes will increase the racial and ethnic diversity of upper Connecticut. They will without a doubt not do that. This has nothing to do whether non-white people bike in some proportion or not. The claim is that they bike at a higher proportion or find bike lanes more desirable than white people. They don't and there is a multitude of data and outreach programs that support that statement. Which means you are either deliberately lying, delusional, or don't understand simple math concepts like the term increase.
They are race baiting. It’s pathetic and gross. Not a single cycling advocate should find that acceptable but they are silent.
It's emblematic of the complete lack of shame or integrity that some the most vocal advocates have. There is nothing they won't say or do. They know that the proposal is not popular. They know that it will increase congestion. They know that it will divert traffic onto the side streets. And they know that it will not have the benefits they claim. But they don't care what they lie about. For them, the ends justify any means amd it shows the paucity of their arguments.
I will believe the traffic engineers who have studied this and the traffic planners who are looking at impacts from other places in DC and other similar places from around the world before I will listen to an anonymous poster on a forum like this.
Those professionals all dispute your false claims.
No they don't but keep lying. DDOT's report, which was conducted by those same people lunder the most bike friendly assumptions possible, states that it will increase congestion on Connecticut and divert traffic onto side streets. It does that even with the two absurd assumptions of a 1,000+% increase in bicycling and thousands of drivers choosing GW Parkway as an alternative route.
DP. stop lying. the study says traffic will be diverted onto already busy streets N-W like Wisc. Traffic will largely be *reduced* on what you might call “side streets” (E-W).
You have no shame at all
The actual DDOT study showing exactly what I said has been posted upteen times, but here you go again.
Where does it say that traffic on side streets will be “reduced”?
The data presented says the opposite.
The presentation clearly shows where traffic will be diverted. There are increases and decreases. The meaninful increasea are on N-W routes that are by no definition “side streets.” Mainly Wisconsin, Reno and Beach.
They predict traffic increases in Beach Dr which is closed. You picked the wrong hill to die on.
The Connecticut Avenue plans show dedicated left turn channels at nearly every intersection. So when Connecticut traffic becomes congested, as it surely will (and not just at rush hour), it will be tempting and easy for cars and trucks to peel off on to cross streets like Woodley, Macomb, Ordway, Porter, Albemarle and others, to reach 34th/Reno or Wisconsin. This will be a traffic safety nightmare for pedestrians and residents on the side streets.
Those same turn lanes allow for smooth two lane through traffic at every intersection, something that doesn't exist today, where one lane stacks up everytime someone wants to turn left. As long as through traffic stays in the through lanes, you won't have those back ups, so in reality, it will be a lot better than it is today.
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