Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:Man, I didn't realize just how massive the variation in EML/FARMS is between high schools right now, and these options barely touch it (even option 3, which looks like it does the most to balance those factors, still has really large disparities)...

Yeah it's really bad. And I suspect the disparities will just get worse and worse as the people who are coming to MoCo these days are either very high income or very low income.

it's the zoning. That's why MoCo is trying really hard to change zoning laws.

It’s things like Thrive 2050 and the remnants of redlining.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Einstein will do better without the IB program - it can have more APs.

I think they would but the huge draw is for music and theater and if they move both of those programs that leaves nothing specialized except the vac.

Also, any high school has the option to offer AP or IB courses according to the program study analysis team’s presentations. So I don’t see anything changing about Einstein IB despite less than 10% of the students getting IB diplomas.

Where are you seeing that in the program study? It just looks like they have to have AP or IB courses, but not both. I can’t imagine central office will agree to pay for more IB programs (beyond the 1/regions they have already committed to).

Einstein only has IB Science classes, not AP. So they are meeting the minimum for advanced students according to the program analysis

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Einstein will do better without the IB program - it can have more APs.

I think they would but the huge draw is for music and theater and if they move both of those programs that leaves nothing specialized except the vac.

Einstein's music and theater program (VAPA) isn't centrally managed, so it's not covered by the program analysis.

Maybe, but I don’t think they could compete with a criteria based performing arts program in the same region. Are there enough students for both programs?

I can see this program change being an excuse to reduce staffing allocations and force principals to make tough decisions about electives

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Einstein will do better without the IB program - it can have more APs.

I think they would but the huge draw is for music and theater and if they move both of those programs that leaves nothing specialized except the vac.

Also, any high school has the option to offer AP or IB courses according to the program study analysis team’s presentations. So I don’t see anything changing about Einstein IB despite less than 10% of the students getting IB diplomas.

Where are you seeing that in the program study? It just looks like they have to have AP or IB courses, but not both. I can’t imagine central office will agree to pay for more IB programs (beyond the 1/regions they have already committed to).

Einstein only has IB Science classes, not AP. So they are meeting the minimum for advanced students according to the program analysis

Yes, but they could retire the IB program and convert those classes to AP. And that is likely to happen -- Einstein's outcomes are not good for IB.

MCPS is not going to pay for IB certification and the IB coordinator at any school -- most likely it will be 1/region and that's it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Man, I didn't realize just how massive the variation in EML/FARMS is between high schools right now, and these options barely touch it (even option 3, which looks like it does the most to balance those factors, still has really large disparities)...

Yeah it's really bad. And I suspect the disparities will just get worse and worse as the people who are coming to MoCo these days are either very high income or very low income.

it's the zoning. That's why MoCo is trying really hard to change zoning laws.

It’s things like Thrive 2050 and the remnants of redlining.

Thrive 2050 and the recent zoning changes pursued by the council are likely to create greater disparities. Look at where the increased densities are avoided.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Einstein will do better without the IB program - it can have more APs.

I think they would but the huge draw is for music and theater and if they move both of those programs that leaves nothing specialized except the vac.

Einstein's music and theater program (VAPA) isn't centrally managed, so it's not covered by the program analysis.

Maybe, but I don’t think they could compete with a criteria based performing arts program in the same region. Are there enough students for both programs?

I can see this program change being an excuse to reduce staffing allocations and force principals to make tough decisions about electives

Maybe but the better players will want higher academics so they may not select it and just continue with private music groups.

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I have a ninth grader that wanted Einstein for arts (music and theatre) so this all feels like a bait and switch for kids that recently went though the DCC process.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a ninth grader that wanted Einstein for arts (music and theatre) so this all feels like a bait and switch for kids that recently went though the DCC process.

The DCC choice process is likely ending after this year, but your ninth grader will be able to continue on the same pathway.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a ninth grader that wanted Einstein for arts (music and theatre) so this all feels like a bait and switch for kids that recently went though the DCC process.

Einstein music and theater is still fantastic, and I don’t expect that will change if Northwood is given this performing arts stamp.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Einstein will do better without the IB program - it can have more APs.

I think they would but the huge draw is for music and theater and if they move both of those programs that leaves nothing specialized except the vac.

Also, any high school has the option to offer AP or IB courses according to the program study analysis team’s presentations. So I don’t see anything changing about Einstein IB despite less than 10% of the students getting IB diplomas.

Where are you seeing that in the program study? It just looks like they have to have AP or IB courses, but not both. I can’t imagine central office will agree to pay for more IB programs (beyond the 1/regions they have already committed to).

Einstein only has IB Science classes, not AP. So they are meeting the minimum for advanced students according to the program analysis

Yes, but they could retire the IB program and convert those classes to AP. And that is likely to happen -- Einstein's outcomes are not good for IB.

MCPS is not going to pay for IB certification and the IB coordinator at any school -- most likely it will be 1/region and that's it.

DP. Honestly I bet many would be ok with that. IB is actively sought out by a relatively small number of families compared to the district as a whole. My kids aren't HS age yet but for the moment our home school is Einstein and the lack of AP classes has given me pause, because my oldest is more inclined towards STEM. I've otherwise heard positive feedback about Einstein, so I would welcome this change, especially if the choice process is going away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Einstein will do better without the IB program - it can have more APs.

I think they would but the huge draw is for music and theater and if they move both of those programs that leaves nothing specialized except the vac.

Also, any high school has the option to offer AP or IB courses according to the program study analysis team’s presentations. So I don’t see anything changing about Einstein IB despite less than 10% of the students getting IB diplomas.

Where are you seeing that in the program study? It just looks like they have to have AP or IB courses, but not both. I can’t imagine central office will agree to pay for more IB programs (beyond the 1/regions they have already committed to).

Einstein only has IB Science classes, not AP. So they are meeting the minimum for advanced students according to the program analysis

Yes, but they could retire the IB program and convert those classes to AP. And that is likely to happen -- Einstein's outcomes are not good for IB.

MCPS is not going to pay for IB certification and the IB coordinator at any school -- most likely it will be 1/region and that's it.

DP. Honestly I bet many would be ok with that. IB is actively sought out by a relatively small number of families compared to the district as a whole. My kids aren't HS age yet but for the moment our home school is Einstein and the lack of AP classes has given me pause, because my oldest is more inclined towards STEM. I've otherwise heard positive feedback about Einstein, so I would welcome this change, especially if the choice process is going away.

Last few years it’s gone down hill. Go to Wheaton or Blair for stem. Principal is not strong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Einstein will do better without the IB program - it can have more APs.

I think they would but the huge draw is for music and theater and if they move both of those programs that leaves nothing specialized except the vac.

Also, any high school has the option to offer AP or IB courses according to the program study analysis team’s presentations. So I don’t see anything changing about Einstein IB despite less than 10% of the students getting IB diplomas.

Where are you seeing that in the program study? It just looks like they have to have AP or IB courses, but not both. I can’t imagine central office will agree to pay for more IB programs (beyond the 1/regions they have already committed to).

Einstein only has IB Science classes, not AP. So they are meeting the minimum for advanced students according to the program analysis

Yes, but they could retire the IB program and convert those classes to AP. And that is likely to happen -- Einstein's outcomes are not good for IB.

MCPS is not going to pay for IB certification and the IB coordinator at any school -- most likely it will be 1/region and that's it.

DP. Honestly I bet many would be ok with that. IB is actively sought out by a relatively small number of families compared to the district as a whole. My kids aren't HS age yet but for the moment our home school is Einstein and the lack of AP classes has given me pause, because my oldest is more inclined towards STEM. I've otherwise heard positive feedback about Einstein, so I would welcome this change, especially if the choice process is going away.

Last few years it’s gone down hill. Go to Wheaton or Blair for stem. Principal is not strong.

In the new model, everyone will go to their home school (according to the new boundaries), except for the relatively few admitted to a regional program. There will not be the choice process we have currently in the DCC/NEC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Einstein will do better without the IB program - it can have more APs.

I think they would but the huge draw is for music and theater and if they move both of those programs that leaves nothing specialized except the vac.

Also, any high school has the option to offer AP or IB courses according to the program study analysis team’s presentations. So I don’t see anything changing about Einstein IB despite less than 10% of the students getting IB diplomas.

Where are you seeing that in the program study? It just looks like they have to have AP or IB courses, but not both. I can’t imagine central office will agree to pay for more IB programs (beyond the 1/regions they have already committed to).

Einstein only has IB Science classes, not AP. So they are meeting the minimum for advanced students according to the program analysis

Yes, but they could retire the IB program and convert those classes to AP. And that is likely to happen -- Einstein's outcomes are not good for IB.

MCPS is not going to pay for IB certification and the IB coordinator at any school -- most likely it will be 1/region and that's it.

DP. Honestly I bet many would be ok with that. IB is actively sought out by a relatively small number of families compared to the district as a whole. My kids aren't HS age yet but for the moment our home school is Einstein and the lack of AP classes has given me pause, because my oldest is more inclined towards STEM. I've otherwise heard positive feedback about Einstein, so I would welcome this change, especially if the choice process is going away.

Last few years it’s gone down hill. Go to Wheaton or Blair for stem. Principal is not strong.

In the new model, everyone will go to their home school (according to the new boundaries), except for the relatively few admitted to a regional program. There will not be the choice process we have currently in the DCC/NEC.

Right. And even with the choice process, it's pretty hard to get into Blair if it's not your home school. Not sure about Wheaton.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Einstein will do better without the IB program - it can have more APs.

I think they would but the huge draw is for music and theater and if they move both of those programs that leaves nothing specialized except the vac.

Also, any high school has the option to offer AP or IB courses according to the program study analysis team’s presentations. So I don’t see anything changing about Einstein IB despite less than 10% of the students getting IB diplomas.

Where are you seeing that in the program study? It just looks like they have to have AP or IB courses, but not both. I can’t imagine central office will agree to pay for more IB programs (beyond the 1/regions they have already committed to).

Einstein only has IB Science classes, not AP. So they are meeting the minimum for advanced students according to the program analysis

Yes, but they could retire the IB program and convert those classes to AP. And that is likely to happen -- Einstein's outcomes are not good for IB.

MCPS is not going to pay for IB certification and the IB coordinator at any school -- most likely it will be 1/region and that's it.

DP. Honestly I bet many would be ok with that. IB is actively sought out by a relatively small number of families compared to the district as a whole. My kids aren't HS age yet but for the moment our home school is Einstein and the lack of AP classes has given me pause, because my oldest is more inclined towards STEM. I've otherwise heard positive feedback about Einstein, so I would welcome this change, especially if the choice process is going away.

Last few years it’s gone down hill. Go to Wheaton or Blair for stem. Principal is not strong.

In the new model, everyone will go to their home school (according to the new boundaries), except for the relatively few admitted to a regional program. There will not be the choice process we have currently in the DCC/NEC.

Right. And even with the choice process, it's pretty hard to get into Blair if it's not your home school. Not sure about Wheaton.

And in the new model, Wheaton and Kennedy are in region 3 while Blair, Einstein and Northwood are in region 1.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Einstein will do better without the IB program - it can have more APs.

I think they would but the huge draw is for music and theater and if they move both of those programs that leaves nothing specialized except the vac.

Also, any high school has the option to offer AP or IB courses according to the program study analysis team’s presentations. So I don’t see anything changing about Einstein IB despite less than 10% of the students getting IB diplomas.

Where are you seeing that in the program study? It just looks like they have to have AP or IB courses, but not both. I can’t imagine central office will agree to pay for more IB programs (beyond the 1/regions they have already committed to).

Einstein only has IB Science classes, not AP. So they are meeting the minimum for advanced students according to the program analysis

Yes, but they could retire the IB program and convert those classes to AP. And that is likely to happen -- Einstein's outcomes are not good for IB.

MCPS is not going to pay for IB certification and the IB coordinator at any school -- most likely it will be 1/region and that's it.

DP. Honestly I bet many would be ok with that. IB is actively sought out by a relatively small number of families compared to the district as a whole. My kids aren't HS age yet but for the moment our home school is Einstein and the lack of AP classes has given me pause, because my oldest is more inclined towards STEM. I've otherwise heard positive feedback about Einstein, so I would welcome this change, especially if the choice process is going away.

Last few years it’s gone down hill. Go to Wheaton or Blair for stem. Principal is not strong.

In the new model, everyone will go to their home school (according to the new boundaries), except for the relatively few admitted to a regional program. There will not be the choice process we have currently in the DCC/NEC.

That’s going to suck and families will bail.