ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did being born in Q1 and Q2 give an automatic advantage in skills, soccer iq and athleticism to everyone?

Relative Age Effect studies don't show all q1 and q2 are better soccer players than q3 and q4

It shows that clubs and coaches select-bias good q1 and q2 more physical players over good q3 and q4 less physically developed players.

I have no idea why this narrative has taken over this thread that all these Q1 and Q2 kids with low technical skills, bad decision making, poor iq and the agility of a newborn giraff have an automatic advantage over a Q4 who is actually a good soccer player.

Parents convince themselves of anything

Pretty basic. Currently, Q1/2 have RAE advantage and Q3/4 has disadvantage. Going to SY more or less makes Q4/1 have RAE advantage and Q2/3 have disadvantage.

Explain advantage and disadvantage in this context

If you're not a good player born in January or September, what does a cutoff date change do for you?

Seriously? Everybody is wrong except you about RAE and birthdates and cutoffs don't matter. 250 pages plus here. 250 pages plus. Wake up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This change will really help kids who are middle of roster players that are q3+q4. My child is a q3 that starts 60% of the time, if this change occurs they will start and probably not come out of the game with SY grouping.

Bottom of roster kids will only see a short term benefit with a change. The top kids will be hurt. But the vast majority of the roster falls between kids 5-15. For the q3-q4 kids in that position a huge benefit. Likewise, the q1&q2 kids in that spot could be pushed to bottom of roster or off all together by the trapped kids moving down. These are the parents that are the loudest against the change.

Are the so-called top and bottom kids categorized by DOB and not soccer skills?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did being born in Q1 and Q2 give an automatic advantage in skills, soccer iq and athleticism to everyone?

Relative Age Effect studies don't show all q1 and q2 are better soccer players than q3 and q4

It shows that clubs and coaches select-bias good q1 and q2 more physical players over good q3 and q4 less physically developed players.

I have no idea why this narrative has taken over this thread that all these Q1 and Q2 kids with low technical skills, bad decision making, poor iq and the agility of a newborn giraff have an automatic advantage over a Q4 who is actually a good soccer player.

Parents convince themselves of anything

Pretty basic. Currently, Q1/2 have RAE advantage and Q3/4 has disadvantage. Going to SY more or less makes Q4/1 have RAE advantage and Q2/3 have disadvantage.

Explain advantage and disadvantage in this context

If you're not a good player born in January or September, what does a cutoff date change do for you?

Seriously? Everybody is wrong except you about RAE and birthdates and cutoffs don't matter. 250 pages plus here. 250 pages plus. Wake up.

Waiting for your intelligent informed answer to the question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did being born in Q1 and Q2 give an automatic advantage in skills, soccer iq and athleticism to everyone?

Relative Age Effect studies don't show all q1 and q2 are better soccer players than q3 and q4

It shows that clubs and coaches select-bias good q1 and q2 more physical players over good q3 and q4 less physically developed players.

I have no idea why this narrative has taken over this thread that all these Q1 and Q2 kids with low technical skills, bad decision making, poor iq and the agility of a newborn giraff have an automatic advantage over a Q4 who is actually a good soccer player.

Parents convince themselves of anything

Pretty basic. Currently, Q1/2 have RAE advantage and Q3/4 has disadvantage. Going to SY more or less makes Q4/1 have RAE advantage and Q2/3 have disadvantage.

Explain advantage and disadvantage in this context

If you're not a good player born in January or September, what does a cutoff date change do for you?

Seriously? Everybody is wrong except you about RAE and birthdates and cutoffs don't matter. 250 pages plus here. 250 pages plus. Wake up.

A bad player becomes good enough to be a top starter the day after a cutoff date switch?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did being born in Q1 and Q2 give an automatic advantage in skills, soccer iq and athleticism to everyone?

Relative Age Effect studies don't show all q1 and q2 are better soccer players than q3 and q4

It shows that clubs and coaches select-bias good q1 and q2 more physical players over good q3 and q4 less physically developed players.

I have no idea why this narrative has taken over this thread that all these Q1 and Q2 kids with low technical skills, bad decision making, poor iq and the agility of a newborn giraff have an automatic advantage over a Q4 who is actually a good soccer player.

Parents convince themselves of anything

Pretty basic. Currently, Q1/2 have RAE advantage and Q3/4 has disadvantage. Going to SY more or less makes Q4/1 have RAE advantage and Q2/3 have disadvantage.

Explain advantage and disadvantage in this context

If you're not a good player born in January or September, what does a cutoff date change do for you?

Seriously? Everybody is wrong except you about RAE and birthdates and cutoffs don't matter. 250 pages plus here. 250 pages plus. Wake up.

A bad player becomes good enough to be a top starter the day after a cutoff date switch?

Current elephant foot touch Q3 player will be brick foot touch when cutoff changes her to Q1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Are the so-called top and bottom kids categorized by DOB and not soccer skills?

Why is this subject so difficult to grasp. Half the kids get to start the race 3 yards in front of the others. It won't turn an overweight, out of shape kid into Usain Bolt. Insane athletes don't need the advantage. My Q4 daughter probably didn't need the advantage, we didn't ask for nor expected an advantage, but its hard to tell, she's 11. Are we happy the advantage is being offered out of the blue....you betcha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did being born in Q1 and Q2 give an automatic advantage in skills, soccer iq and athleticism to everyone?

Relative Age Effect studies don't show all q1 and q2 are better soccer players than q3 and q4

It shows that clubs and coaches select-bias good q1 and q2 more physical players over good q3 and q4 less physically developed players.

I have no idea why this narrative has taken over this thread that all these Q1 and Q2 kids with low technical skills, bad decision making, poor iq and the agility of a newborn giraff have an automatic advantage over a Q4 who is actually a good soccer player.

Parents convince themselves of anything

Pretty basic. Currently, Q1/2 have RAE advantage and Q3/4 has disadvantage. Going to SY more or less makes Q4/1 have RAE advantage and Q2/3 have disadvantage.

Explain advantage and disadvantage in this context

If you're not a good player born in January or September, what does a cutoff date change do for you?

Seriously? Everybody is wrong except you about RAE and birthdates and cutoffs don't matter. 250 pages plus here. 250 pages plus. Wake up.

Waiting for your intelligent informed answer to the question.

Read the wiki page for RAE, nobody here owes you anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

A bad player becomes good enough to be a top starter the day after a cutoff date switch?

Yes, they mail you a Q4 certificate with your starting spot the day after the switch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change will really help kids who are middle of roster players that are q3+q4. My child is a q3 that starts 60% of the time, if this change occurs they will start and probably not come out of the game with SY grouping.

Bottom of roster kids will only see a short term benefit with a change. The top kids will be hurt. But the vast majority of the roster falls between kids 5-15. For the q3-q4 kids in that position a huge benefit. Likewise, the q1&q2 kids in that spot could be pushed to bottom of roster or off all together by the trapped kids moving down. These are the parents that are the loudest against the change.

Are the so-called top and bottom kids categorized by DOB and not soccer skills?

If you can only see issues as anything other than either or, nobody can help you learn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A bad player becomes good enough to be a top starter the day after a cutoff date switch?

Yes, they mail you a Q4 certificate with your starting spot the day after the switch.

Ok, coach. Still gonna pick the same birth month distributions for top teams as before when the age cutoffs change? Didn't think so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change will really help kids who are middle of roster players that are q3+q4. My child is a q3 that starts 60% of the time, if this change occurs they will start and probably not come out of the game with SY grouping.

Bottom of roster kids will only see a short term benefit with a change. The top kids will be hurt. But the vast majority of the roster falls between kids 5-15. For the q3-q4 kids in that position a huge benefit. Likewise, the q1&q2 kids in that spot could be pushed to bottom of roster or off all together by the trapped kids moving down. These are the parents that are the loudest against the change.

Are the so-called top and bottom kids categorized by DOB and not soccer skills?

On most teams it is categorized by athleticism, size, skills. In that order. So the q3&q4 kids are typically going to hit growth spurts later and thus be at a disadvantage compared to the kids hitting growth spurts months earlier. This definitely becomes less of an issue after puberty. However, a lot of q3+q4 have been sent to second teams by this age because of the size and growth difference.

This is RAE and it will NOT go away even with a SY change. Just the kids who benefit and disadvantaged will change. I'll be transparent, a change would absolutely benefit my kid. But I also think even if I didn't have an interest a switch to SY is in the best interest to grow the sport and keep and attract little kids as they join the sport and get to play with classmates. It also greatly reduces the trap year problem. Those two reasons are the reason why US Soccer will greenlight the change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did being born in Q1 and Q2 give an automatic advantage in skills, soccer iq and athleticism to everyone?

Relative Age Effect studies don't show all q1 and q2 are better soccer players than q3 and q4

It shows that clubs and coaches select-bias good q1 and q2 more physical players over good q3 and q4 less physically developed players.

I have no idea why this narrative has taken over this thread that all these Q1 and Q2 kids with low technical skills, bad decision making, poor iq and the agility of a newborn giraff have an automatic advantage over a Q4 who is actually a good soccer player.

Parents convince themselves of anything

Pretty basic. Currently, Q1/2 have RAE advantage and Q3/4 has disadvantage. Going to SY more or less makes Q4/1 have RAE advantage and Q2/3 have disadvantage.

Explain advantage and disadvantage in this context

If you're not a good player born in January or September, what does a cutoff date change do for you?

Seriously? Everybody is wrong except you about RAE and birthdates and cutoffs don't matter. 250 pages plus here. 250 pages plus. Wake up.

A bad player becomes good enough to be a top starter the day after a cutoff date switch?

It's ok to be bitter, sure but keeping your eyes closed and saying help me see doesn't work. Only you can open your own eyes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did being born in Q1 and Q2 give an automatic advantage in skills, soccer iq and athleticism to everyone?

Relative Age Effect studies don't show all q1 and q2 are better soccer players than q3 and q4

It shows that clubs and coaches select-bias good q1 and q2 more physical players over good q3 and q4 less physically developed players.

I have no idea why this narrative has taken over this thread that all these Q1 and Q2 kids with low technical skills, bad decision making, poor iq and the agility of a newborn giraff have an automatic advantage over a Q4 who is actually a good soccer player.

Parents convince themselves of anything

Pretty basic. Currently, Q1/2 have RAE advantage and Q3/4 has disadvantage. Going to SY more or less makes Q4/1 have RAE advantage and Q2/3 have disadvantage.

Explain advantage and disadvantage in this context

If you're not a good player born in January or September, what does a cutoff date change do for you?

Seriously? Everybody is wrong except you about RAE and birthdates and cutoffs don't matter. 250 pages plus here. 250 pages plus. Wake up.

Waiting for your intelligent informed answer to the question.

Read the wiki page for RAE, nobody here owes you anything.

I'm actually an expert on relative age effect.
That's why its sad to see all these ignorant comments on the subject.

Coaches aren't playing your 3 left feet oversized kid over a much more skilled and effective smaller kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A bad player becomes good enough to be a top starter the day after a cutoff date switch?

Yes, they mail you a Q4 certificate with your starting spot the day after the switch.

To better understand relative age effects, you might need to first understand the definition of relative in this context. You seem lost, just look up the definition of the word relative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did being born in Q1 and Q2 give an automatic advantage in skills, soccer iq and athleticism to everyone?

Relative Age Effect studies don't show all q1 and q2 are better soccer players than q3 and q4

It shows that clubs and coaches select-bias good q1 and q2 more physical players over good q3 and q4 less physically developed players.

I have no idea why this narrative has taken over this thread that all these Q1 and Q2 kids with low technical skills, bad decision making, poor iq and the agility of a newborn giraff have an automatic advantage over a Q4 who is actually a good soccer player.

Parents convince themselves of anything

Pretty basic. Currently, Q1/2 have RAE advantage and Q3/4 has disadvantage. Going to SY more or less makes Q4/1 have RAE advantage and Q2/3 have disadvantage.

Explain advantage and disadvantage in this context

If you're not a good player born in January or September, what does a cutoff date change do for you?

Seriously? Everybody is wrong except you about RAE and birthdates and cutoffs don't matter. 250 pages plus here. 250 pages plus. Wake up.

Waiting for your intelligent informed answer to the question.

Read the wiki page for RAE, nobody here owes you anything.

I'm actually an expert on relative age effect.
That's why its sad to see all these ignorant comments on the subject.

Coaches aren't playing your 3 left feet oversized kid over a much more skilled and effective smaller kid.

Ok RAE expert. Will the change from CY to SY result in any changes in the birth month distribution of players on top teams?