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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

Exactly.

I am still waiting for the opponents the put fact behind the opposition to these statemnts.

Ehh, I don't know about it not being true. I mean, Jordan Peterson is part of the anti-bike lane movement in Toronto (https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1619837511156785153?lang=en) and right-wing spin factories are quite active about 15-minute cities that multi-modal transit slots perfectly into https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-15-minute-city-conspiracy-162fd388f0c435a8289cc9ea213f92ee...

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

Exactly.

I am still waiting for the opponents the put fact behind the opposition to these statemnts.

Ehh, I don't know about it not being true. I mean, Jordan Peterson is part of the anti-bike lane movement in Toronto (https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1619837511156785153?lang=en) and right-wing spin factories are quite active about 15-minute cities that multi-modal transit slots perfectly into https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-15-minute-city-conspiracy-162fd388f0c435a8289cc9ea213f92ee...

uggghh WHY are people making bikes into part of the culture wars. Seriously stop. Bikes are a way to get around.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

Exactly.

I am still waiting for the opponents the put fact behind the opposition to these statemnts.

Ehh, I don't know about it not being true. I mean, Jordan Peterson is part of the anti-bike lane movement in Toronto (https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1619837511156785153?lang=en) and right-wing spin factories are quite active about 15-minute cities that multi-modal transit slots perfectly into https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-15-minute-city-conspiracy-162fd388f0c435a8289cc9ea213f92ee...

uggghh WHY are people making bikes into part of the culture wars. Seriously stop. Bikes are a way to get around.

Because so few people actually ride bikes, bikes are being used as a cudgel for a different political movement that is anti private car. It’s all performative politics.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.

Prove it.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

Exactly.

I am still waiting for the opponents the put fact behind the opposition to these statemnts.

Ehh, I don't know about it not being true. I mean, Jordan Peterson is part of the anti-bike lane movement in Toronto (https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1619837511156785153?lang=en) and right-wing spin factories are quite active about 15-minute cities that multi-modal transit slots perfectly into https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-15-minute-city-conspiracy-162fd388f0c435a8289cc9ea213f92ee...

uggghh WHY are people making bikes into part of the culture wars. Seriously stop. Bikes are a way to get around.

Because so few people actually ride bikes, bikes are being used as a cudgel for a different political movement that is anti private car. It’s all performative politics.

That’s false. Bike lanes are being used, and they are being proposed here in large part for traffic calming for pedestrians. There’s nothing political about it - I mean DC is 99% democratic and here we are. There is no “anti-car movement” but there IS a movement for safe streets.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.

Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

Exactly.

I am still waiting for the opponents the put fact behind the opposition to these statemnts.

Ehh, I don't know about it not being true. I mean, Jordan Peterson is part of the anti-bike lane movement in Toronto (https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1619837511156785153?lang=en) and right-wing spin factories are quite active about 15-minute cities that multi-modal transit slots perfectly into https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-15-minute-city-conspiracy-162fd388f0c435a8289cc9ea213f92ee...

uggghh WHY are people making bikes into part of the culture wars. Seriously stop. Bikes are a way to get around.

Because so few people actually ride bikes, bikes are being used as a cudgel for a different political movement that is anti private car. It’s all performative politics.

That’s false. Bike lanes are being used, and they are being proposed here in large part for traffic calming for pedestrians. There’s nothing political about it - I mean DC is 99% democratic and here we are. There is no “anti-car movement” but there IS a movement for safe streets.

Ehh... This exists: tinyurl.com/5994fu5e

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.

Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.

There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.

The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.

Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.

There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.

The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?

If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.

Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.

There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.

The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?

If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.

To that PP (and many others), if you're on a bike, and you're not an able-bodied young/middle-aged white man wearing a brightly-colored team jersey, you're invisible. They simply do not see you.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.

Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.

There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.

The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?

If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.

If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.

Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.

There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.

The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?

If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.

If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.

You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.

Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.

There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.

The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?

If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.

If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.

You clearly have no idea the general composition of the people who ride their bike to work at the restaurants and other service places on CT Ave - hint, they are not UMC white men. And they are at every single place you go to eat or get coffee on the Avenue. And they ride their bikes. Some lock them out front, some bring them into the read areas, some lock them on side streets, and yes, they are clearly totally invisible to you.

You still don't understand basic math.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

All of those things are bald faced and obvious lies.

Uh... Yeah, where's your proof on that, because it's pretty well supported that all are true (maybe not the last one fully) by national standards, other cities' experience, our city's experience, the transportation studies by DDot and/or their contractors, etc. Links have been provided ad nauseam in this thread.

There is no study that says that bike lanes increase racial or wthnic diversity, unless you're talking about gentrification. It's a fact that, on the whole, bicycling is more popular with the racial group that makes up the majority of the area in question. Ergo, math says it's a lie.

The DDOT report says there will be both increased congestion on Connecticut and increased traffic on the side streets. So does common sense. Some proponents think this is a good thing. But regardless it is a simple and basic fact that reducong capacity increases congestion and traffic on alternative routes. Continuining to lie about this, especially when your own DDOT study say it will happen, is either delusional or deliberate. Which is it?

If you think the only people riding bikes are white men wearing lycra, then you simply are not paying attention when you are walking or driving.

If you don't understand how math works then you shouldn't be opining.

Fortunately, everyone who has a job in a business on Connecticut Avenue is able to start their trip to work after the buses & Metro start running, and is also able to get home from work before the buses & Metro stop running! And is well able to afford the occasional Uber or Lyft! There is nobody who has a job in a business on Connecticut Avenue who needs a bike to be able to get to or from work!

Wait, what?