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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

If a business closed after it signed then that's a matter of timing not a lie.

As for the theoretical busboy signature that would be something for the business to correct. Being for or against bike lanes or bicycling in general is not the same as being for or against this particular bike lane project. We also have the situation where the ANC comissioner were threatening and harassing people to withdraw their signatures. Obviously if the petition organizers were committing willful fraud that would be a problem too.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

He's an incumbent D.C. Council member. Odds are he'll be re-elected easily no matter what he says or does.

I’m not so sure about that. His Ward 3 For All plan does not align nicely with the upcoming DCPS boundary update process. He going to have to actually fight for his current constituents. I’m not sure he’s up for this fight. I think he’s the mark in this poker game and the other council members are going to eat his lunch and there will be many unhappy parents.

OMG. The irony of Frumin losing reelection due to education policy issues is so believable. If all Ward 3 kids do not end up with guaranteed seats in neighborhood schools this guy is cooked.

There has never been a way to realign boundaries, which is why it hasn't happened in decades, to get us in the mess we have now. Something has to give.

Correct. And CM Frumin is the stooge who will give it. Probably Lafayette. Maybe Hearst. But one of the Deal schools is going to get the axe on Matt’s watch. At least Ward 3 gets bike lanes and pickleball, though.

He did it to Eaton last time.

Yes, he called Eaton collateral damage.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

If a business closed after it signed then that's a matter of timing not a lie.

As for the theoretical busboy signature that would be something for the business to correct. Being for or against bike lanes or bicycling in general is not the same as being for or against this particular bike lane project. We also have the situation where the ANC comissioner were threatening and harassing people to withdraw their signatures. Obviously if the petition organizers were committing willful fraud that would be a problem too.

BS. We all decide how we want to spend our money. I have no problem with someone who wants to spend their money on business who support a safer and more livable street as opposed to those who are for the status quo - which is at times dangerous speedway for people on foot and bikes and at other times is a pollution and traffic sewer.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

He's an incumbent D.C. Council member. Odds are he'll be re-elected easily no matter what he says or does.

I’m not so sure about that. His Ward 3 For All plan does not align nicely with the upcoming DCPS boundary update process. He going to have to actually fight for his current constituents. I’m not sure he’s up for this fight. I think he’s the mark in this poker game and the other council members are going to eat his lunch and there will be many unhappy parents.

OMG. The irony of Frumin losing reelection due to education policy issues is so believable. If all Ward 3 kids do not end up with guaranteed seats in neighborhood schools this guy is cooked.

There has never been a way to realign boundaries, which is why it hasn't happened in decades, to get us in the mess we have now. Something has to give.

Correct. And CM Frumin is the stooge who will give it. Probably Lafayette. Maybe Hearst. But one of the Deal schools is going to get the axe on Matt’s watch. At least Ward 3 gets bike lanes and pickleball, though.

He did it to Eaton last time.

Yes, he called Eaton collateral damage.

Calling Eaton collateral damage does not make him responsible for previous boundary changes.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

I posted that somewhere in this thread or the other one. I was actually expecting there to be some shred of truth but there literally was not.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

If a business closed after it signed then that's a matter of timing not a lie.

As for the theoretical busboy signature that would be something for the business to correct. Being for or against bike lanes or bicycling in general is not the same as being for or against this particular bike lane project. We also have the situation where the ANC comissioner were threatening and harassing people to withdraw their signatures. Obviously if the petition organizers were committing willful fraud that would be a problem too.

BS. We all decide how we want to spend our money. I have no problem with someone who wants to spend their money on business who support a safer and more livable street as opposed to those who are for the status quo - which is at times dangerous speedway for people on foot and bikes and at other times is a pollution and traffic sewer.

Bad acts are bad acts and it shouldn't matter whether you agree with their stance on an issue or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

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“So I just looked at the anti-bike lane petition. Full of misrepresentations as I suspected.

https://www.change.org/p/save-connecticut-avenue-cancel-the-bike-plan

1. Claims pedestrians will have to cross bike lane to cross street or get on bus. False - peds will cross normally at the corner and bus stops are still curbside

2. Will remove most parking. False!!

3. No curb access for deliveries. Ok well that doesn’t exist reliably now. What would make it reliable is designating parking spots for pick up/drop off. Is that what they want?

4. Small businesses will close. False. This has not been the experience of any bike lane projects.

5. Traffic will be “rerouted to neighborhood streets.” Misrepresentation because it suggests quiet residential streets will become arterials. DDOT’s study shows traffic will divert to other already busy streets (eg Wisconsin) and traffic will be REDUCED on E-W routes that are more residential.

6. Residents all oppose this plan but were “disenfranchised” because it was “pushed through” during the pandemic at a time they “could not meet with their representatives.” MASSIVE lie. There were countless public meetings and opportunities to participate. The transition to Zoom during the pandemic increased accessibility and public attendance at these meetings. And of course W3 elected representatives who support the redesign.”

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What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity more people of economic and racial diversity being able to traverse CT Ave and access jobs checks the justice box
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular this is indisputable, more people favor it than oppose it, just look at the recent election results and the advocacy on this since 2017
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion as it is, there is usually one lane of through traffic when you count double parked cars and turning vehicles, the redesign addresses this
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets there is no evidence other than hyperbole to suggest otherwise
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists ok, this is probably not true
Etc etc etc

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

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Anonymous wrote:Keep crying weird cyclist person. You’re like one of those WWII Japanese soldier holdouts on a remote Pacific Island refusing to surrender when you’ve already lost. Maybe go outside a ride your bike?

Seems like you're the one who's refusing to surrender when you've already lost, though.

Nice to know you think this is a game. But if you’re keeping score, what have you accomplished exactly? Seriously.

Did you notice how quickly the city was able to implement the end of rush hour parking restrictions without needing an extra 6 months of “study”.

If you don’t know how this thing is going to play out, then you’re quite naive.

DP. The bike lanes are happening. You can continue to whine about it if you like, but the only thing you're accomplishing is looking childish.

Your false confidence and bravado is fantastic.

DC just gave people more street parking full time on Connecticut Ave. they aren’t going to take that away for bike lanes. Y’all make me laugh. Not clear if you’re mendacious or naive but either way it’s very funny.

What’s even funnier is that the person most responsible for spearheading that change was Frumin, who has been conspicuous by his absence of saying anything about the DDOT plan to delay study for another six months. Not a single other CM has bothered to take up the cause even performatively. Just goes to show how quickly the politics of this issue has shifted. No CMs want to talk about bike lanes and the mayor wants to talk about road maintenance.

He may be a "nice guy" but he knows that his posturing as a left wing doofus was bs and he will revert to the mainstream of what Ward 3 wants.

He’s in a bad place politically because he’s aligned himself with the uber progressive ANCs that push policies that have clearly made Ward 3 less safe. He’s definitely going to get a primary from the center and if he tries to moderate his position he will get a primary from one of the socialists.

He’s certainly alienated businesses by aligning with these clowns. If he doesn’t do something substantive to win them back he’s done.

It is good politics to "align with the clowns"

In the precincts that line Connecticut Avenue, Frumin outpolled Bike Lane opponent Krucoff by more than other precincts around the Ward.

Ergo it is the opponents of the bike lanes who are in the minority, deeply.

This is the problem with trying to make bike lanes into some kind of political litmus test. It just doesn’t work, because normal people do not have the same i investment in being anti-bike as the extremists on here. Nobody except the extremely fixated are single-issue bikelane voters.

I love the naïveté of the bike lane fanatics. Believing first that they are actually going to happen and second that the general election was a referendum on policy substance.

The Mayor just inaugurated the 9th St lanes and presented a budget with funds for bike lanes, traffic safety, etc. The idea that a handful of loud cranks completely scrapped DC’s Connecticut Ave traffic calming plan is just silly.

The budget does not have enough funds for the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes.

It’s a multi-year project. I don’t think all the funds have to be in this year’s budget. They are still in design phase.

There won't be any funds in this year's budget, since the project construction won't begin in the next fiscal year. totally normal.

Next year's budget situation is gonna be worse than this year's.

Exactly. And if we consider how budget processes work, the proposed $36 million this year for bike lanes is the baseline. The idea that they would increase the budget for bike lanes next FY in a declining recent environment doesn’t make sense. The cost will easily exceed $36 million. They will have to steal from the streetscape budget but there are already other projects in the pipeline, particularly for downtown that will need to be prioritized. Even if you put aside the optics of increases funding for bike lanes while decreasing funding for social services and focus on allocation of transportation funds. Would the city prioritize downtown DC streetscape infrastructure to support revival over neighborhood infrastructure in upper NW? I’m going to go with a yes. The only way I can see this getting funded before FY27 is if there is an upwelling of political support.

DC commercial real estate is getting hammered and we can expect the CFO to announce greater deficits next spring. When 100+ small businesses tell the mayor this is a bad idea, she’s going to listen. There’s not much she can do in the short term to stem the crime wave, so she’s not going to double down on another poorly thought out progressive initiative.

that petition the businesses signed was full of lies & misinformation. The mayor’s office knows that. Budget problems could obviously impact all city services and projects, but it won’t be based on a fake petition.

What are the lies and misinformation. For some reason you all never state what they supposedly are.

Someone posted it on the Chevy Chase listserv....if my memory serves, it had a bunch of signatures from businesses where the owners are pro-bike lane, but someone, like a busboy, signed the pettiton against; it also has signatures from people where the business owners have publicly stated they are not taking a position for or against, and there were a number of businesses that had closed for one reason or another that were counted in the tally.

right - not only fake or misrepresented signature, but also false statements in the petition that deceive people into signing. Exact same thing happened in my neighborhood.

What are those statements and how are they false? There has been an avalanche of lies from the pro-bike lane cohort and an avalanche of claims that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie without any support or follow up to their claims.

For example:
Bike lanes increase racial and ethnic diversity
Bike lanes on Connecticut are wildly popular
Removing two lanes of traffic will not increase congestion
Removing two lanes of traffic will not divert drivers onto the side streets
People against this specific project are anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists
Etc etc etc

All of these statements are true, except maybe the one about anti-abortion MAGA insurrectionists.

Exactly.

I am still waiting for the opponents the put fact behind the opposition to these statemnts.