Is it harder for Virginia students to get into UVA v out of state students?

[Anonymous]

They want more money, and they get additional money from out of state students. Thoughts? Experiences?

[Anonymous]

http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2010/03/lets-talk-about-ratios-quotas-and-admit.html

The State Legislature has set a ratio that governs the in state and out of state populations at UVa. Two thirds of our students must have Virginia residency. Therefore, one third can come from outside of the state.

Beyond that, no population rules are enforced on us. Obviously, most admission offices want to bring in an interesting class that has people from many backgrounds, but we have not been handed target numbers for different regions, counties, or populations beyond that 2/3 : 1/3 ratio. There are definitely trends within the admitted group, though. For example, around one third of our Virginia population tends to come from the northern part of the state, but that area is highly populated and makes up a pretty big part of our applicant pool. There's no target for that region or any other. State legislators propose bills to change the ratio almost every year, but the bills fail each year.


Now, the ratio obviously impacts the offer rates for VA and OOS (out of state) residents. Here's a chart that shows offer rates back to 1990. On the Office of Institutional Assessment website, you can see data that goes back even further.

[Anonymous]

^^ Thanks! ^^

[Anonymous]

Like the above info, this is from 2010,

I'm not mistaken, UVA claims to be maintaining their ratio, but they offered more spots to out of state students.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/uva-maintains-in-state-ratio-for-incoming-students/article_a96e8925-a72e-5ac4-9fcf-3464d48c397e.html?mode=jqm

[Anonymous]

From Dean J's blog:

2013

Total number of applications: 29,005
Total number of VA apps: 8,831
Total number of OOS apps: 20,174

Overall offers: 8,528
Total VA offers: 3,594 (40.7% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 4,934 (24.46% offer rate)
Enrollment goal: 3,485 (between EA and RD)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like the above info, this is from 2010,

I'm not mistaken, UVA claims to be maintaining their ratio, but they offered more spots to out of state students.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/uva-maintains-in-state-ratio-for-incoming-students/article_a96e8925-a72e-5ac4-9fcf-3464d48c397e.html?mode=jqm

Fewer OOS applicants accept the spots so they offer more to get the 1/3 ratio. It has not changed. In state and out of state students aren't even in the same pool for consideration and aren't in the same waitlist pool either. If a in state spot opens up they will go to the in state waitlist pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From Dean J's blog:

2013

Total number of applications: 29,005
Total number of VA apps: 8,831
Total number of OOS apps: 20,174

Overall offers: 8,528
Total VA offers: 3,594 (40.7% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 4,934 (24.46% offer rate)
Enrollment goal: 3,485 (between EA and RD)

The OOS offer rate dropped to 23% this year. They don't publish academic stats between the 2 pools but based on college confidential postings it looks like OOS students tend to have much higher stats than in state.

My DC is on the W/L.

[Anonymous]

UVA is much more friendlier for instate in terms of class make up than U.Michigan. UM is trending to almost 50% OOS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is much more friendlier for instate in terms of class make up than U.Michigan. UM is trending to almost 50% OOS.

But Michigan is 2.5 times the size of UVA and the population is only about 30 percent higher so there are proportionately more seats for in state.great school though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is much more friendlier for instate in terms of class make up than U.Michigan. UM is trending to almost 50% OOS.

Um has occasionally been over 50%, which is BS for residents. Michigan and Virginia really do not want to be public universities. But then with Michigan, if they accept more international students as they often do not require any financial aid, how loyal are these people going to be to the school in the future?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA is much more friendlier for instate in terms of class make up than U.Michigan. UM is trending to almost 50% OOS.

But Michigan is 2.5 times the size of UVA and the population is only about 30 percent higher so there are proportionately more seats for in state.great school though.

Think UM's class is about twice as big. Population is misleading. There are a lot of people in the Detroit-Ann Arbor metropolitan area and Grand Rapids who are very qualified.

[Anonymous]

UVA considers OOS legacies in the in state pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA is much more friendlier for instate in terms of class make up than U.Michigan. UM is trending to almost 50% OOS.

Um has occasionally been over 50%, which is BS for residents. Michigan and Virginia really do not want to be public universities. But then with Michigan, if they accept more international students as they often do not require any financial aid, how loyal are these people going to be to the school in the future?

When we went to the admitted students reception a couple of weeks ago they said it was 42% OOS for UMich, which I think it's higher than it's been. Apparently OOS apps went up a few years ago when they switched to the common app.

It's definitely easier to get into Mich OOS (c. 30-31% admit rate vs 23% at UVA). I suspect it's a little easier to get in in state too but not sure how the stats compare.

[Anonymous]

Most publics publish a common data set. Here's UVA's

http://avillage.web.virginia.edu/iaas/cds/cds1314all.shtm

One table presents the importance of various academic and non academic factors in determining admission. One of the line items will be state residency (#C7). For UVA state residence is considered "very important." Not as specific as hard numbers, but at least something to look at when evaluating OOS schools. Surprisingly enough, for some colleges state residence isn't considered at all http://budget.psu.edu/CDSRedesign/cds.aspx?reportindicator=FreshAdmn&Location=UP&AY=20132014

[Anonymous]

It's useless to debate this. If you're in the top 10% of your nova public hs, you have a good chance at UVA. Beyond the top 15%, it's not happening unless from TJ or a very unusual athletic admit.