Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:This has brought to light some huge failures in pilot training. I think it’s fair to consider is this is related to intentionally filling more women into these roles that were previously closed. Did that alter training standards? Or is it something else that has caused this massive training failure? Is it that they were trained properly but the culture has changed pilots go off script and don’t follow standards because they feel over confident- and that’s become acceptable?

But the pilots of Vietnam could fly their bullet ridden low tech helicopters through gun fire, landing with ease between close trees,
where staying on the ground for seconds longer than absolutely necessary means low survival. I think it’s care training standards have changed as well as acceptable practices when out of flight school

So it crashed bc there are female pilots?

And you are aware that there were helicopter crashes during the Vietnam war, right?

No, I’m saying this is a training failure. It’s needs to looked into what has happened with the training standards. That may or may not have anything to do with more women/changing standards.

Men crash in training flights all the time. Yet I’ve never heard anyone suggest investigating whether we are lowering standards to allow mediocre men to fly.

If they flew their plane into a passenger jet, it absolutely would be questioned why we are allowing unqualified people to fly

You are an ass for assuming the pilot was unqualified to fly. I assume you are a rwnj as this is typical project 2025 garbage. You believe everything is worse because non white non males have jobs that you think only white males should have. Your basic belief is that any human that is not white and a male is less than. You need to go the way of the dinosaur.

It’s not assuming. A pilot that drives has made several known errors, resulting in their helicopter flying directly into a passenger jet, was indeed unqualified

So you are saying that women are less than men and that caused this? We know. We see you.

Poorly trained pilot that happened to be a woman. What is going with training and pilot selection that a pilot making so many errors is flying Blackhawks. I don’t know if being a woman has anything to do with pilot selection- if there is a percentage of women needed in each class- but it should be looked into

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Anonymous wrote:A shocking compilation of ineptitude from the people on that Blackhawk. This is the best of the best? Can’t keep their altitude correct, can’t operate with night vision goggles, can’t spot airplanes, can’t work their radio? Baffling.

Yeah, I can’t help but agree. There needs to be a hard look at who they accept into flight school, the graduation standards, what is being taught,
and are they continuing to fly how they were trained or at some point does the flying culture deem is acceptable to go by one’s owns rules.

Your focus is on the wrong place. It should be on the flight traffic and rules for visual separation. Safety standards clearly need to be adjusted.

Fwiw American military pilots are known as the best trained pilots in the world. Man and woman.

Riiiight. Accommodate dysfunctional pilots.

Sounds like admitting a chronic pilot quality problem or an overreaction to a terrible BH pilot team.

Tell me you know nothing about aviation without saying you know nothing about aviation

Ironically, the father of one of the American Airlines pilots killed also happened to be a retired Army Blackhawk pilot- and stated the Blackhawk pilots made very grave errors

Link or it’s a lie

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Anonymous wrote:A shocking compilation of ineptitude from the people on that Blackhawk. This is the best of the best? Can’t keep their altitude correct, can’t operate with night vision goggles, can’t spot airplanes, can’t work their radio? Baffling.

Yeah, I can’t help but agree. There needs to be a hard look at who they accept into flight school, the graduation standards, what is being taught,
and are they continuing to fly how they were trained or at some point does the flying culture deem is acceptable to go by one’s owns rules.

Your focus is on the wrong place. It should be on the flight traffic and rules for visual separation. Safety standards clearly need to be adjusted.

Fwiw American military pilots are known as the best trained pilots in the world. Man and woman.

Riiiight. Accommodate dysfunctional pilots.

Sounds like admitting a chronic pilot quality problem or an overreaction to a terrible BH pilot team.

Tell me you know nothing about aviation without saying you know nothing about aviation

Ironically, the father of one of the American Airlines pilots killed also happened to be a retired Army Blackhawk pilot- and stated the Blackhawk pilots made very grave errors

Link or it’s a lie

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/father-of-american-airlines-pilot-killed-in-washington-dc-crash-it-hurts-so-bad-7602192/amp/1

“He believes the commercial jet followed proper procedures, but the military helicopter made a tragic error.”

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Anonymous wrote:A shocking compilation of ineptitude from the people on that Blackhawk. This is the best of the best? Can’t keep their altitude correct, can’t operate with night vision goggles, can’t spot airplanes, can’t work their radio? Baffling.

Yeah, I can’t help but agree. There needs to be a hard look at who they accept into flight school, the graduation standards, what is being taught,
and are they continuing to fly how they were trained or at some point does the flying culture deem is acceptable to go by one’s owns rules.

Your focus is on the wrong place. It should be on the flight traffic and rules for visual separation. Safety standards clearly need to be adjusted.

Fwiw American military pilots are known as the best trained pilots in the world. Man and woman.

Riiiight. Accommodate dysfunctional pilots.

Sounds like admitting a chronic pilot quality problem or an overreaction to a terrible BH pilot team.

Tell me you know nothing about aviation without saying you know nothing about aviation

Ironically, the father of one of the American Airlines pilots killed also happened to be a retired Army Blackhawk pilot- and stated the Blackhawk pilots made very grave errors

Link or it’s a lie

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/father-of-american-airlines-pilot-killed-in-washington-dc-crash-it-hurts-so-bad-7602192/amp/1

“He believes the commercial jet followed proper procedures, but the military helicopter made a tragic error.”

That’s a snippet that is a mischaracterization of what he said, albeit he’s not remotely an objective source.

From a similar article from this dad:


After watching the video, Tim Lilley said it seemed as though “Sam was flying just the way he was supposed to.”

“Totally speculation on my part. If they were wearing [night vision goggles], I’ve seen this before, where it’s almost impossible to see an aircraft where it’s backlit by a city,” Tim Lilley posited.

“I don’t want to blame, you know, my brothers that fly Black Hawks,” he clarified. “I flew them for 20 years, and I love those guys.”

It will take months to actually know what happened. Part of the investigation will revolve around an interaction with air traffic control in the final moments before the collision.

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No reason this training route should be happening. DCA has known challenges. You don’t add risks to civilians by doing this. Dumb. Irresponsible.

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Anonymous wrote:A shocking compilation of ineptitude from the people on that Blackhawk. This is the best of the best? Can’t keep their altitude correct, can’t operate with night vision goggles, can’t spot airplanes, can’t work their radio? Baffling.

Yeah, I can’t help but agree. There needs to be a hard look at who they accept into flight school, the graduation standards, what is being taught,
and are they continuing to fly how they were trained or at some point does the flying culture deem is acceptable to go by one’s owns rules.

Your focus is on the wrong place. It should be on the flight traffic and rules for visual separation. Safety standards clearly need to be adjusted.

Fwiw American military pilots are known as the best trained pilots in the world. Man and woman.

Riiiight. Accommodate dysfunctional pilots.

Sounds like admitting a chronic pilot quality problem or an overreaction to a terrible BH pilot team.

Tell me you know nothing about aviation without saying you know nothing about aviation

Ironically, the father of one of the American Airlines pilots killed also happened to be a retired Army Blackhawk pilot- and stated the Blackhawk pilots made very grave errors

Link or it’s a lie

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/father-of-american-airlines-pilot-killed-in-washington-dc-crash-it-hurts-so-bad-7602192/amp/1

“He believes the commercial jet followed proper procedures, but the military helicopter made a tragic error.”

That’s a snippet that is a mischaracterization of what he said, albeit he’s not remotely an objective source.

From a similar article from this dad:


After watching the video, Tim Lilley said it seemed as though “Sam was flying just the way he was supposed to.”

“Totally speculation on my part. If they were wearing [night vision goggles], I’ve seen this before, where it’s almost impossible to see an aircraft where it’s backlit by a city,” Tim Lilley posited.

“I don’t want to blame, you know, my brothers that fly Black Hawks,” he clarified. “I flew them for 20 years, and I love those guys.”

It will take months to actually know what happened. Part of the investigation will revolve around an interaction with air traffic control in the final moments before the collision.

It’s not mischaracterization. He doesn’t want to point a finger before the investigation is complete, but it’s pretty clear who he thinks was in the wrong

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Anonymous wrote:A shocking compilation of ineptitude from the people on that Blackhawk. This is the best of the best? Can’t keep their altitude correct, can’t operate with night vision goggles, can’t spot airplanes, can’t work their radio? Baffling.

Yeah, I can’t help but agree. There needs to be a hard look at who they accept into flight school, the graduation standards, what is being taught,
and are they continuing to fly how they were trained or at some point does the flying culture deem is acceptable to go by one’s owns rules.

Your focus is on the wrong place. It should be on the flight traffic and rules for visual separation. Safety standards clearly need to be adjusted.

Fwiw American military pilots are known as the best trained pilots in the world. Man and woman.

Riiiight. Accommodate dysfunctional pilots.

Sounds like admitting a chronic pilot quality problem or an overreaction to a terrible BH pilot team.

Tell me you know nothing about aviation without saying you know nothing about aviation

Ironically, the father of one of the American Airlines pilots killed also happened to be a retired Army Blackhawk pilot- and stated the Blackhawk pilots made very grave errors

Link or it’s a lie

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/father-of-american-airlines-pilot-killed-in-washington-dc-crash-it-hurts-so-bad-7602192/amp/1

“He believes the commercial jet followed proper procedures, but the military helicopter made a tragic error.”

That’s a snippet that is a mischaracterization of what he said, albeit he’s not remotely an objective source.

From a similar article from this dad:


After watching the video, Tim Lilley said it seemed as though “Sam was flying just the way he was supposed to.”

“Totally speculation on my part. If they were wearing [night vision goggles], I’ve seen this before, where it’s almost impossible to see an aircraft where it’s backlit by a city,” Tim Lilley posited.

“I don’t want to blame, you know, my brothers that fly Black Hawks,” he clarified. “I flew them for 20 years, and I love those guys.”

It will take months to actually know what happened. Part of the investigation will revolve around an interaction with air traffic control in the final moments before the collision.

It’s not mischaracterization. He doesn’t want to point a finger before the investigation is complete, but it’s pretty clear who he thinks was in the wrong

The father is also lobbying to have military cease flight operations at civilian airports, revamp training for pilots, and require military helicopters to use TCAS (collision avoidance system) when in class B airspace

https://www.foxnews.com/us/grieving-father-dc-plane-crash-pilot-calls-out-government-air-regulations-written-blood.amp

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Anonymous wrote:Problems that all lined up tragically:

Number one issue: Crowded airport with helicopters crossing into the flight paths of landing jets with little clearance room. This was standard, yes, but it diminishes room for human error or other issues, which needs to always be assumed in safety analysis. I can only aasume this will change after this incident

Plane was switched to a different run way and did a little turn that brought it into the black Hawks flight path

The new runway was shorter than the original runway and so the planes descent was likely steeper than if they’d landed on the original run way- again, bringing it into thr Blackhawk path at the worst moment

Plane and Blackhawk were talking to the same controller but on different frequencies so couldn’t hear each other or gain any sort of awareness that way

Blackhawk pilots likely had on night vision goggles which significantly reduces one’s field of vision and with city lights was probably distracting rather than helpful

Whelp, if ATC telling them the jet and runway two or three times and then to go around the landing plane can't help the Black Hawk then they need to be grounded during 6am to 12 midnight around Wash DC.

There already were many stop gaps: Radar, Navs, ATC directions and warnings, 3 people in the helo looking around or piloting, maintenance checks every time, jet had blinking wing lights to land plus landing floodlight, laminated Zone 1 flight requirements in the helo and route book, etc.

I am curious if the CRJ, at any point of landing, was told there was a Black Hawk traveling south on an intersecting route, albeit at different altitudes.

I feel experienced pilots would have aborted the landing based on that alone. Just general untrust of part-time military pilots or cowboy mentality.

Straight up bs. Your assumptions about military pilots are ignorant. Cowboy mentality? You watch too many bad movies.

Where’s the hours and flying frequency of Army BH pilots versus navy, marine and Air Force BH pilots?

Key point of differentiation. Navy and AF has the best and most experienced, focused pilots. They don’t run their active Blackhawk programs like reserves programs. Many had pilot licenses before plus were IPs out of the gate upon joining.

What’s the difference in training between Navy and Army active duty helicopter pilots? These were active duty Army pilots, not reserve. But yeah- something is going wrong in the training/selection process.

Prob diff in class hours, briefing sessions, and hours in the air, per year. Military brass would know the programs.

Pearl Harbor f15s go up at 9:30am every single day. Same pilots.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a Gen Z thing? Can’t focus when it counts? Too distracted by social media, texting, posting, managing image to remember training or flight parameters?

Maybe training and review time has changed the last 10 years. Maybe once you’re out of formal training instead of group or team reviews it’s DIY while you do your day job admin tasks.

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Anonymous wrote:A shocking compilation of ineptitude from the people on that Blackhawk. This is the best of the best? Can’t keep their altitude correct, can’t operate with night vision goggles, can’t spot airplanes, can’t work their radio? Baffling.

Yeah, I can’t help but agree. There needs to be a hard look at who they accept into flight school, the graduation standards, what is being taught,
and are they continuing to fly how they were trained or at some point does the flying culture deem is acceptable to go by one’s owns rules.

Your focus is on the wrong place. It should be on the flight traffic and rules for visual separation. Safety standards clearly need to be adjusted.

Fwiw American military pilots are known as the best trained pilots in the world. Man and woman.

Riiiight. Accommodate dysfunctional pilots.

Sounds like admitting a chronic pilot quality problem or an overreaction to a terrible BH pilot team.

Tell me you know nothing about aviation without saying you know nothing about aviation

Ironically, the father of one of the American Airlines pilots killed also happened to be a retired Army Blackhawk pilot- and stated the Blackhawk pilots made very grave errors

Link or it’s a lie

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/father-of-american-airlines-pilot-killed-in-washington-dc-crash-it-hurts-so-bad-7602192/amp/1

“He believes the commercial jet followed proper procedures, but the military helicopter made a tragic error.”

That’s a snippet that is a mischaracterization of what he said, albeit he’s not remotely an objective source.

From a similar article from this dad:


After watching the video, Tim Lilley said it seemed as though “Sam was flying just the way he was supposed to.”

“Totally speculation on my part. If they were wearing [night vision goggles], I’ve seen this before, where it’s almost impossible to see an aircraft where it’s backlit by a city,” Tim Lilley posited.

“I don’t want to blame, you know, my brothers that fly Black Hawks,” he clarified. “I flew them for 20 years, and I love those guys.”

It will take months to actually know what happened. Part of the investigation will revolve around an interaction with air traffic control in the final moments before the collision.

It’s not mischaracterization. He doesn’t want to point a finger before the investigation is complete, but it’s pretty clear who he thinks was in the wrong

The father is also lobbying to have military cease flight operations at civilian airports, revamp training for pilots, and require military helicopters to use TCAS (collision avoidance system) when in class B airspace

https://www.foxnews.com/us/grieving-father-dc-plane-crash-pilot-calls-out-government-air-regulations-written-blood.amp

Excellent

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Well, I suppose if you kill a bunch more people in plane crashes and keep the public from flying then you won't need the FAA anymore. #winning

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Don't MAGAs like to vacation too? WTH?

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Anonymous wrote:A shocking compilation of ineptitude from the people on that Blackhawk. This is the best of the best? Can’t keep their altitude correct, can’t operate with night vision goggles, can’t spot airplanes, can’t work their radio? Baffling.

Yeah, I can’t help but agree. There needs to be a hard look at who they accept into flight school, the graduation standards, what is being taught,
and are they continuing to fly how they were trained or at some point does the flying culture deem is acceptable to go by one’s owns rules.

Your focus is on the wrong place. It should be on the flight traffic and rules for visual separation. Safety standards clearly need to be adjusted.

Fwiw American military pilots are known as the best trained pilots in the world. Man and woman.

Riiiight. Accommodate dysfunctional pilots.

Sounds like admitting a chronic pilot quality problem or an overreaction to a terrible BH pilot team.

Tell me you know nothing about aviation without saying you know nothing about aviation

Ironically, the father of one of the American Airlines pilots killed also happened to be a retired Army Blackhawk pilot- and stated the Blackhawk pilots made very grave errors

Link or it’s a lie

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/father-of-american-airlines-pilot-killed-in-washington-dc-crash-it-hurts-so-bad-7602192/amp/1

“He believes the commercial jet followed proper procedures, but the military helicopter made a tragic error.”

That’s a snippet that is a mischaracterization of what he said, albeit he’s not remotely an objective source.

From a similar article from this dad:


After watching the video, Tim Lilley said it seemed as though “Sam was flying just the way he was supposed to.”

“Totally speculation on my part. If they were wearing [night vision goggles], I’ve seen this before, where it’s almost impossible to see an aircraft where it’s backlit by a city,” Tim Lilley posited.

“I don’t want to blame, you know, my brothers that fly Black Hawks,” he clarified. “I flew them for 20 years, and I love those guys.”

It will take months to actually know what happened. Part of the investigation will revolve around an interaction with air traffic control in the final moments before the collision.

It’s not mischaracterization. He doesn’t want to point a finger before the investigation is complete, but it’s pretty clear who he thinks was in the wrong

The father is also lobbying to have military cease flight operations at civilian airports, revamp training for pilots, and require military helicopters to use TCAS (collision avoidance system) when in class B airspace

https://www.foxnews.com/us/grieving-father-dc-plane-crash-pilot-calls-out-government-air-regulations-written-blood.amp

Those sound like sensible and needed changes.

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Anonymous wrote:A shocking compilation of ineptitude from the people on that Blackhawk. This is the best of the best? Can’t keep their altitude correct, can’t operate with night vision goggles, can’t spot airplanes, can’t work their radio? Baffling.

Yeah, I can’t help but agree. There needs to be a hard look at who they accept into flight school, the graduation standards, what is being taught,
and are they continuing to fly how they were trained or at some point does the flying culture deem is acceptable to go by one’s owns rules.

Your focus is on the wrong place. It should be on the flight traffic and rules for visual separation. Safety standards clearly need to be adjusted.

Fwiw American military pilots are known as the best trained pilots in the world. Man and woman.

Riiiight. Accommodate dysfunctional pilots.

Sounds like admitting a chronic pilot quality problem or an overreaction to a terrible BH pilot team.

Tell me you know nothing about aviation without saying you know nothing about aviation

Ironically, the father of one of the American Airlines pilots killed also happened to be a retired Army Blackhawk pilot- and stated the Blackhawk pilots made very grave errors

Link or it’s a lie

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/father-of-american-airlines-pilot-killed-in-washington-dc-crash-it-hurts-so-bad-7602192/amp/1

“He believes the commercial jet followed proper procedures, but the military helicopter made a tragic error.”

That’s a snippet that is a mischaracterization of what he said, albeit he’s not remotely an objective source.

From a similar article from this dad:


After watching the video, Tim Lilley said it seemed as though “Sam was flying just the way he was supposed to.”

“Totally speculation on my part. If they were wearing [night vision goggles], I’ve seen this before, where it’s almost impossible to see an aircraft where it’s backlit by a city,” Tim Lilley posited.

“I don’t want to blame, you know, my brothers that fly Black Hawks,” he clarified. “I flew them for 20 years, and I love those guys.”

It will take months to actually know what happened. Part of the investigation will revolve around an interaction with air traffic control in the final moments before the collision.

It’s not mischaracterization. He doesn’t want to point a finger before the investigation is complete, but it’s pretty clear who he thinks was in the wrong

The father is also lobbying to have military cease flight operations at civilian airports, revamp training for pilots, and require military helicopters to use TCAS (collision avoidance system) when in class B airspace

https://www.foxnews.com/us/grieving-father-dc-plane-crash-pilot-calls-out-government-air-regulations-written-blood.amp

Those sound like sensible and needed changes.

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