ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of these issues are invented from over active adult brains and aren't real soccer problems for the kids

It's worse than that.

It's over involved parents who think they can shortcut the system to get their kids in the front of the line.

If you really want to be the best of the best pay for private lessons and strength training, play in Latin leagues, play futsal, etc.

[Anonymous]

Ice hockey has been organized by Birth Year for as long as I know. It seems to work because its pretty straightforward. (At the tippy-top level, the NHL draft actually uses a September 15th cutoff for some reason, but that obviously only affects a tiny number of players). But hockey is a little different - especially for boys - because the path to college hockey does not go straight from HS to college. Essentially all players have to go through junior hockey first, so the recruiting disadvantages cited by SY proponents inherent in the BY system for "trapped players" are very unimportant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of these issues are invented from over active adult brains and aren't real soccer problems for the kids

It's worse than that.

It's over involved parents who think they can shortcut the system to get their kids in the front of the line.

If you really want to be the best of the best pay for private lessons and strength training, play in Latin leagues, play futsal, etc.

Yup.
The majority looking for an edge because the long road of discipline, hard work and consistency is too much.

[Anonymous]

To the last few commenters, come on, it's over.

Youth soccer going to school year dates.

Parents never had a vote in this, you or those enemy parents on the other side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of these issues are invented from over active adult brains and aren't real soccer problems for the kids

I agree with this. My kid was like, play with my current age group, play with my new age group who cares. In our club kids commonly play games with, scrimmage against, pool train with kids an age group up and an age group down from where they are. So he's a trapped 4th grader, is rostered to a team with all 5th graders, regularly trains with everyone from the 6th grade 2013s to trapped 3rd grade 2015s and is friends with all of them.

He's happy to stay with the 14s, he's happy to play with the early year 15s, he doesn't care. I think most of the kids are like this. Turnover on his teams has historically been about 30%+ every year anyway so, whatever.

[Anonymous]

Agree that these are self invented problems. Also a byproduct of the microwave society we live in. Everybody wants results and rewards NOW. If you're in this for the results at U14, you should look for whatever advantage you can find - age group down or whatever. If you truly want to play soccer long term, forget about the categorizations - find the best coach and environment for your kid - and keep grinding. And for God's sake, do not make club soccer your only outlet.
Have a feeling most of us will look back on this period and realize that there was never much difference between a June kid and a December kid. They were both good soccer players. In the end, those who advance will be the ones with motors, grit, and determination. No parent is going to single-handedly wish that on their kid. Either they have it or they don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree that these are self invented problems. Also a byproduct of the microwave society we live in. Everybody wants results and rewards NOW. If you're in this for the results at U14, you should look for whatever advantage you can find - age group down or whatever. If you truly want to play soccer long term, forget about the categorizations - find the best coach and environment for your kid - and keep grinding. And for God's sake, do not make club soccer your only outlet.
Have a feeling most of us will look back on this period and realize that there was never much difference between a June kid and a December kid. They were both good soccer players. In the end, those who advance will be the ones with motors, grit, and determination. No parent is going to single-handedly wish that on their kid. Either they have it or they don't.

Agree 1000% on "either they have it or they don't" comment.

This is why all the parents that are giddy about playing down are in for a rude awakening. It's going to be the same politics, the same rude parents, the same coaches running privates with their team, etc.

If your kid is on the bench now they'll find their way to the bench on a year down team. Starters will continue to start if they play down.

[Anonymous]

🤣🤣🤣if that were even remotely true all the Q1 and Q2 parents wouldn't be fighting this so hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the last few commenters, come on, it's over.

Youth soccer going to school year dates.

Parents never had a vote in this, you or those enemy parents on the other side.

You've convinced yourself of something based on comments online that may or may not be correct. I get that you're a girls ECNL dad but there's an entire spectrum of players and leagues outside of ECNL that US Soccer oversees.

There's still all kinds of ways this could play out.

You can drop the astroturf campaign now you've earned your 10 cents per post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:🤣🤣🤣if that were even remotely true all the Q1 and Q2 parents wouldn't be fighting this so hard.

They're not trying hard to do anything.

If BY becomes SY roster changes will come down to yearly tryouts. Which happen no matter what. You can't change what's out of your control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:🤣🤣🤣if that were even remotely true all the Q1 and Q2 parents wouldn't be fighting this so hard.

They're not trying hard to do anything.

If BY becomes SY roster changes will come down to yearly tryouts. Which happen no matter what. You can't change what's out of your control.

250 pages of nonsense disagrees with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the last few commenters, come on, it's over.

Youth soccer going to school year dates.

Parents never had a vote in this, you or those enemy parents on the other side.

BY parents here displaying a classic case of psych projection. The SY argument has always been around misalignment logistics and social dynamics across grade levels. But the BY people just keep claiming it's all secretly about SY people selfishly trying to get a competitive edge, which simply puts their own motivation on display.

Feel free to continue to lash out claiming other kids just suck at soccer, if your process has moved on from denial to anger. But SY proponents just don't care about that attack as much as you think they do. They just want a fair and fun system, and if they are on a B team, the bench, or left un-recruited by Stanford and Duke, so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the last few commenters, come on, it's over.

Youth soccer going to school year dates.

Parents never had a vote in this, you or those enemy parents on the other side.

You've convinced yourself of something based on comments online that may or may not be correct. I get that you're a girls ECNL dad but there's an entire spectrum of players and leagues outside of ECNL that US Soccer oversees.

There's still all kinds of ways this could play out.

You can drop the astroturf campaign now you've earned your 10 cents per post.

The head of USYS said it was passing. It's over but the fine print.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:🤣🤣🤣if that were even remotely true all the Q1 and Q2 parents wouldn't be fighting this so hard.

Talent, skills, soccer IQ, work rate, discipline long term and motivations doesn't care what Quarter you're born in.

You can only kick and outrun the late developers for so long.
Then hello physical advantage wall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the last few commenters, come on, it's over.

Youth soccer going to school year dates.

Parents never had a vote in this, you or those enemy parents on the other side.

BY parents here displaying a classic case of psych projection. The SY argument has always been around misalignment logistics and social dynamics across grade levels. But the BY people just keep claiming it's all secretly about SY people selfishly trying to get a competitive edge, which simply puts their own motivation on display.

Feel free to continue to lash out claiming other kids just suck at soccer, if your process has moved on from denial to anger. But SY proponents just don't care about that attack as much as you think they do. They just want a fair and fun system, and if they are on a B team, the bench, or left un-recruited by Stanford and Duke, so be it.

"social dynamics" is for band and drama club