new Reade/Biden thread

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Most people here don’t seem to understand trauma.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't seem to realize that it is very common for people who have experienced trauma to not share all the details at once. It is also very common for them to remember some details vividly and other details are very hazy. People who experience trauma don't always act in the way that you might expect. There is a lot of shame and confusion and guilt and self doubt and humiliation and that impacts what someone says and does and what they share when and to whom. People also may not remember details that weren't important as when the brain is in trauma mode, it ignores certain things to focus on the threat. Sensory experiences are often clearer than other details. Timelines are often confused and changing. Some details are withheld because the person doesn't want to talk about that aspect.

Disclosure and recall are often impacted by the traumatic experience. In any case - this one or any case where someone discloses sexual violence, you can't conclude it didn't happen because s/he didn't immediately give a full detailed account that never changed in any way.

Immediately??? It has been DECADES.

And she started talking more than a month ago. That should have been enough time to get your story straight.

But when you aren't telling the truth it is hard to keep the details straight.

You should look at the case of Jian Ghomeshi in Canada. He was accused of sexual assault (and criminally charged) by 5 different women. They came forward about 10 years after the alleged attacks. There were multiple other people who had seen what they considered inappropriate behaviour and sexual harrassment by JG and some had also experienced it but didn't want to come forward publicly. It went to trial, however the alleged victims stories had inconsistencies. They forgot details and got confused. In the end he was found not guilty due to the inconsistencies of the testimonies. There was a lot of discussion by trauma specialists and experts who felt that it wasn't that these 5 women 9and the other women who corroborated their stories) all just lied and made up stories of things that never happened - it was that their recollection and ability to talk about it was impacted by the trauma.

Did any of them tweet praise of their attacker's support of women, radically change their story, or state they were not afraid of him because "it wasn't that kind of vibe"?

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Anonymous wrote:Most people here don’t seem to understand trauma.

I’m willing to bet that a number of people posting here are victims of sexual assault. I certainly am. Reade does me no favors.

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Anonymous wrote:Most people here don’t seem to understand trauma.

How insulting to assume this.

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Anonymous wrote:In an April 2019 interview Tara Reade "said of Biden: 'I wasn’t scared of him, that he was going to take me in a room or anything. It wasn’t that kind of vibe.'"

Pretty much undoes her whole alleged story. Geez.

She’s all over the place about EVERYTHING. Here’s her original story about why she left Biden’s office - now she says she was fired.

Your post seems to insinuate she’s a typical female, and that’s extremely sexist.

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I think most women have been sexually assaulted.

Joe Biden gives me the creeps. It’s well-documented how he doesn’t respect girls or women. We’ve all seen it in dozens and dozens of videos and photographs.

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Anonymous wrote:She told several people about the incident when it happened.

THIS fact is CRITICAL.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most women have been sexually assaulted.

Joe Biden gives me the creeps. It’s well-documented how he doesn’t respect girls or women. We’ve all seen it in dozens and dozens of videos and photographs.

This is not true. There have been many doctored photographs as well. Joe Biden has been in DC for decades. DC is a small town. We never heard of Joe Biden being a predator.

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Anonymous wrote:She told several people about the incident when it happened.

THIS fact is CRITICAL.

You mean like her brother who was coached by Nathan Robinson? Or the neighbor who now thinks Biden is believable?

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Anonymous wrote:Every woman should be believed unless they are accusing a Democrat. Got it.

They should be believed if their account is believable. If a woman says your house is on fire and you can see it's not, it doesn't mean you have to call 911.

You are full of it. Own it.

Say the one who voted for the pu$$y-grabber.

Hypocrite you are.

As Democrats, we either support women or not. Obviously not.

This. It’s not too late to let Bernie be nominee, is it? If media and Dems don’t sweep this under the rug and really go after Biden. Force Vuden to withdraw? Bernie has never had any sexual misconduct accusation thrown at him. What, exactly, do we stand for if we sweep this under the rug?

Neither has Biden until now. Don't be so sure your boy wouldn't face the same had he been the nominee.

Biden has been known to inappropriately touch/be too touchy with women. Until now, everyone swept it under rug and brushed it aside “for the greater good” of defeating Trump.

Sad to think Biden was the best we could do in terms of nominee. Damn apologists for bad behavior.

Agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:In an April 2019 interview Tara Reade "said of Biden: 'I wasn’t scared of him, that he was going to take me in a room or anything. It wasn’t that kind of vibe.'"

Pretty much undoes her whole alleged story. Geez.

She’s all over the place about EVERYTHING. Here’s her original story about why she left Biden’s office - now she says she was fired.

Your post seems to insinuate she’s a typical female, and that’s extremely sexist.

I said nothing about “typical females.”

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Anonymous wrote:She told several people about the incident when it happened.

THIS fact is CRITICAL.

She did not tell them Biden assaulted her when it happened. She mentioned something about Biden that did not include assault a few years later.

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I wonder if people on this thread defending Biden and realize that they sound exactly like Fox news soundbites of people defending Trump. It is pretty much word for word!

Due process needs to exist for everyone.Yes Trump is awful - that doesn't mean that Biden can't also do wrong. He has been considered creepy uncle Joe for years - there were skits about it and all kinds of videos. It isn't a secret. Why deny something that is happening - don't you see how Trumpesque that is?

And all the attacks on Reide - again, it is pretty shocking to realize that at their core, Biden supporters are exactly the same as Trump supporters. They have the same attitudes, attack the same way, lie the same, protect their leader no matter what, say the exact same things....

It is a travesty that these are the two options to run the country.

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Anonymous wrote:She told several people about the incident when it happened.

THIS fact is CRITICAL.

She did not tell them Biden assaulted her when it happened. She mentioned something about Biden that did not include assault a few years later.

Do you have a transcript of exactly what she said? No.
I believe HER.

I heard the recording of Tara’s mother calling the Larry King Show about the assault by “a prominent Senator”.

Did you?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if people on this thread defending Biden and realize that they sound exactly like Fox news soundbites of people defending Trump. It is pretty much word for word!

Due process needs to exist for everyone.Yes Trump is awful - that doesn't mean that Biden can't also do wrong. He has been considered creepy uncle Joe for years - there were skits about it and all kinds of videos. It isn't a secret. Why deny something that is happening - don't you see how Trumpesque that is?

And all the attacks on Reide - again, it is pretty shocking to realize that at their core, Biden supporters are exactly the same as Trump supporters. They have the same attitudes, attack the same way, lie the same, protect their leader no matter what, say the exact same things....

It is a travesty that these are the two options to run the country.

no one is attacking Reade. parsing through her story and comparing it to her previous stories and facts on the ground are not attacks.